mrs.oroblanco said:Ah, now we come down to the age old question.
Reminds me of that one song:
"I swear their ain't no heaven"
"And, I pray their ain't no hell"
B
Yep! Isn't that the Atheists' Anthem?
(Singing); "What goes up; MUST come down. SPINNING Wheels... B, S, & T; WONDERFUL song! Ss & Mrs. O; MAYBE, we need the AGE OF AQUARIUS to help "solve" what hasn't already been solved. 
Coffee? 
Rebel - KGC said:
Saturna said:Rebel - KGC said:
Rebel, I think you drink too much coffee.
mrs.oroblanco said:gallileo60 said:Shortstack said:
If you believe that God was always here, why is it so far fetched to believe that Life was always here? Not that I believe that, but it is just as logical.....I mean if God is real, he had to come from somewhere.....Never have understood that....
The very idea of God is that of a supreme being who is omnipotent and doesn't have the same form and function as our scientific findings.
God is not "real" in the sense of body and form - therefore, doesn't heed the "realities" of human life. (he sent his son, a human being, for that very reason) God is not of flesh and blood.
B
Shortstack said:Mrs. O wrote: The very idea of God is that of a supreme being who is omnipotent and doesn't have the same form and function as our scientific findings.
God is not "real" in the sense of body and form - therefore, doesn't heed the "realities" of human life. (he sent his son, a human being, for that very reason) God is not of flesh and blood.
B
I fully agree with your evaluation. In the Bible, we're told that when Moses went up on the mountain to meet with God, he asked God several times to let him look upon His face. God told him that he could not withstand His Glory. But, after repeatedly begging, Moses was told to get himself into a large crack in the rock and he would be allowed to view God's Glory as God passed by. Being in God's Glory is what made Moses' hair turn totally white and his entire body GLOWED brightly. Moses glowed so brightly that he had to put a cloth over himself so that the others in his tent could get to sleep and not be kept awake by the bright light.
By that turn of events, God took a familiar form (that of a man) so that Moses could "look upon" something familiar. I found this occurrence very interesting because when God walked and talked with Adam; and later, with Job, they didn't have that result. Makes me wonder if God did that with Moses because Moses thought he was deserving to look at God when Adam and Job did not request that honor. Adam and Job were, I think, more deserving than Moses and so were not subjected to such a display of power and authority. I think maybe Moses had to be reminded of his "place". God seemed to get a little irritated with Job's constant questioning of "why" things happened the way they did and finally asked Job, "where were YOU when I set the very foundations of the universe?" Maybe that question could be presented to some folks today in today's society.
Mr. Saturna,
You could be correct.
Shortstack said:
? If you believe he did, than why is it so hard to believe the universe just popped out of nothingSame theory...
Shortstack said:
gallileo60 said:If he was all mighty, he could have let Moses look at him with NO HARM....Shortstack said:Mrs. O wrote: The very idea of God is that of a supreme being who is omnipotent and doesn't have the same form and function as our scientific findings.
God is not "real" in the sense of body and form - therefore, doesn't heed the "realities" of human life. (he sent his son, a human being, for that very reason) God is not of flesh and blood.
B
I fully agree with your evaluation. In the Bible, we're told that when Moses went up on the mountain to meet with God, he asked God several times to let him look upon His face. God told him that he could not withstand His Glory. But, after repeatedly begging, Moses was told to get himself into a large crack in the rock and he would be allowed to view God's Glory as God passed by. Being in God's Glory is what made Moses' hair turn totally white and his entire body GLOWED brightly. Moses glowed so brightly that he had to put a cloth over himself so that the others in his tent could get to sleep and not be kept awake by the bright light.
By that turn of events, God took a familiar form (that of a man) so that Moses could "look upon" something familiar. I found this occurrence very interesting because when God walked and talked with Adam; and later, with Job, they didn't have that result. Makes me wonder if God did that with Moses because Moses thought he was deserving to look at God when Adam and Job did not request that honor. Adam and Job were, I think, more deserving than Moses and so were not subjected to such a display of power and authority. I think maybe Moses had to be reminded of his "place". God seemed to get a little irritated with Job's constant questioning of "why" things happened the way they did and finally asked Job, "where were YOU when I set the very foundations of the universe?" Maybe that question could be presented to some folks today in today's society.
Mr. Saturna,
You could be correct.
gallileo60 said:Shortstack said:
Did God just pop out of nothing
bigwater said:
Shortstack said:gallileo60 said:If he was all mighty, he could have let Moses look at him with NO HARM....Shortstack said:Mrs. O wrote: The very idea of God is that of a supreme being who is omnipotent and doesn't have the same form and function as our scientific findings.
God is not "real" in the sense of body and form - therefore, doesn't heed the "realities" of human life. (he sent his son, a human being, for that very reason) God is not of flesh and blood.
B
I fully agree with your evaluation. In the Bible, we're told that when Moses went up on the mountain to meet with God, he asked God several times to let him look upon His face. God told him that he could not withstand His Glory. But, after repeatedly begging, Moses was told to get himself into a large crack in the rock and he would be allowed to view God's Glory as God passed by. Being in God's Glory is what made Moses' hair turn totally white and his entire body GLOWED brightly. Moses glowed so brightly that he had to put a cloth over himself so that the others in his tent could get to sleep and not be kept awake by the bright light.
By that turn of events, God took a familiar form (that of a man) so that Moses could "look upon" something familiar. I found this occurrence very interesting because when God walked and talked with Adam; and later, with Job, they didn't have that result. Makes me wonder if God did that with Moses because Moses thought he was deserving to look at God when Adam and Job did not request that honor. Adam and Job were, I think, more deserving than Moses and so were not subjected to such a display of power and authority. I think maybe Moses had to be reminded of his "place". God seemed to get a little irritated with Job's constant questioning of "why" things happened the way they did and finally asked Job, "where were YOU when I set the very foundations of the universe?" Maybe that question could be presented to some folks today in today's society.
Mr. Saturna,
You could be correct.
Try re-reading that last paragraph again.
gallileo60 said:Shortstack said:
Did God just pop out of nothing
I'll say it AGAIN, God is eternal; He always was, is, and shall be. And, yes, God created the universe by speaking it into existence.
bigwater said:
Yes. And if you want to know WHY. Don't ask ME. Ask GOD; HE'S the one who did it; not ME.
Jesus told His disciples, "I go to prepare a place for you. If it were not so I would not tell you." Now, have you ever wondered why He'd have to prepare ANOTHER PLACE for us, if there were OTHER places in the universe where we could live ALREADY existing?
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And I say again, if he was almighty he could do anything, including letting anyone see him without harm...If he can not do that he is not almighty....
GL said:
