A LOOK AT JAMES BEVERLY WARD, AGENT OF THE BEALE PAPERS

[ECS]

How do you know it is the Plantation/Farm area? Any evidence to verify. I believe it is in a location where no one has looked yet. I believe PV had the wrong area also. But we will see. I want to find the cemetery or documents to verify. I will let you know what I find.

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[franklin]

Well I hate to tell everyone this but it is the truth. No need to go to Campbell County Clerk's Office to search for Deeds, Wills or Court Cases. It is one BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of Mass Confusion. I will never place my foot inside that building ever again. I said once before I had nightmares about that place and that was putting it lightly. Whatever is hidden in those records can stay there for someone else to dig them out. To find a single deed you may need a month to find it and if you miss it through the first look you may need another month or two. It is almost disgraceful that a place can be in that kind of order. To find the Risqué Plantation will have to go through that BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of paperwork. I am never going to that house of horrors ever again. Good luck to anyone that tries.

 

[tad10]

Well I hate to tell everyone this but it is the truth. No need to go to Campbell County Clerk's Office to search for Deeds, Wills or Court Cases. It is one BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of Mass Confusion. I will never place my foot inside that building ever again. I said once before I had nightmares about that place and that was putting it lightly. Whatever is hidden in those records can stay there for someone else to dig them out. To find a single deed you may need a month to find it and if you miss it through the first look you may need another month or two. It is almost disgraceful that a place can be in that kind of order. To find the Risqué Plantation will have to go through that BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of paperwork. I am never going to that house of horrors ever again. Good luck to anyone that tries.

The primary monetary treasure hidden by the Beale is on National Forest or National Park Land. If you're looking somewhere not on National Forest or National Park land you're looking in the wrong place, and if you're looking for it on Forest/Park land without coming to an agreement with the US Government (and I just sent off my letter to the US Attorney to the WDVa in Roanoke) then you're opening a huge legal morass and years of litigation.

A much, much, much smaller monetary treasure is hidden on private land in Montvale itself - as for that smaller monetary Treasure, if anyone of you (or all of you) who are actually in Montvale/Bedford are willing to negotiate with the landowner on my behalf, I'm happy to reveal the location and split the small amount that is there the following way: 2/6 to land owner, 1/6 to you guys for helping me negotiate and 3/6 to me. The "bullion" value of the Montvale hoard is about $120,000 (it's about 100 ounces of gold). However, the numismatic value (as the Montvale hoard is, to the best of my understanding, entirely in gold coins) could range widely from 200,000 to four to six million (there are two very rare "Holy Grail" coins that could be in the hoard). I'm willing to limit myself to 1/2 because I'm more interested in the other things the Beale is hiding.

The smaller hoard is located on grounds of the Buford Tavern (now Locust Level) or (since I have no idea how to read property maps) on the grounds of the properties adjacent to the Buford Tavern/Locust Level. It is buried about six feet deep (probably deeper now with passage of time) within 100 rods or so of the old chimney. I am aware the highway is within this boundary, if I understand the location of everything correctly (which I may not, since I'm not there and have only seen it from maps), it is not under the highway, however, I may not understand the location correctly.

If you're interested send me a DM.


Cheers,
Trevor

 

[franklin]

The primary monetary treasure hidden by the Beale is on National Forest or National Park Land. If you're looking somewhere not on National Forest or National Park land you're looking in the wrong place, and if you're looking for it on Forest/Park land without coming to an agreement with the US Government (and I just sent off my letter to the US Attorney to the WDVa in Roanoke) then you're opening a huge legal morass and years of litigation.

A much, much, much smaller monetary treasure is hidden on private land in Montvale itself - as for that smaller monetary Treasure, if anyone of you (or all of you) who are actually in Montvale/Bedford are willing to negotiate with the landowner on my behalf, I'm happy to reveal the location and split the small amount that is there the following way: 2/6 to land owner, 1/6 to you guys for helping me negotiate and 3/6 to me. The "bullion" value of the Montvale hoard is about $120,000 (it's about 100 ounces of gold). However, the numismatic value (as the Montvale hoard is, to the best of my understanding, entirely in gold coins) could range widely from 200,000 to four to six million (there are two very rare "Holy Grail" coins that could be in the hoard). I'm willing to limit myself to 1/2 because I'm more interested in the other things the Beale is hiding.

The smaller hoard is located on grounds of the Buford Tavern (now Locust Level) or (since I have no idea how to read property maps) on the grounds of the properties adjacent to the Buford Tavern/Locust Level. It is buried about six feet deep (probably deeper now with passage of time) within 100 rods or so of the old chimney. I am aware the highway is within this boundary, if I understand the location of everything correctly (which I may not, since I'm not there and have only seen it from maps), it is not under the highway, however, I may not understand the location correctly.

If you're interested send me a DM.


Cheers,
Trevor

I for one am not interested. I do not believe there is a treasure to be found. I have been searching for more geese than Goose Creek could hold or contain. Sorry you may have something but check it out with someone else. All I am going to do is verify or deny the story through R & I that is what I am trying to do. I am going to research and find the story behind the story and all the facts of the area once a decision is made with the facts then I will let everyone know. Then you can continue to search for the Beale Treasure if you want to. I have proven several other treasure stories wrong and yet everyone continues to search and write stories about them. Good Luck.

 

[tad10]

I for one am not interested. I do not believe there is a treasure to be found. I have been searching for more geese than Goose Creek could hold or contain. Sorry you may have something but check it out with someone else. All I am going to do is verify or deny the story through R & I that is what I am trying to do. I am going to research and find the story behind the story and all the facts of the area once a decision is made with the facts then I will let everyone know. Then you can continue to search for the Beale Treasure if you want to. I have proven several other treasure stories wrong and yet everyone continues to search and write stories about them. Good Luck.

Eh. Okay. But before you spend years on that, you should probably know that I already know the story behind the story of the Beale, which is why I can pinpoint the location of the smaller treasure in Montvale and a larger treasure on Park or National Forest Land. ;-) You need to know the former to be able to do the latter.

* * *

Anyway, deal still stands, for Rebel & whomever, if you can cut a deal with the owners of Locust Level (should be on their property if I understand the property boundaries correctly, immediately adjacent properties if I haven't) then 1/6 of the find is yours. I'll write up the papers (I'm an attorney, though I don't really practice anymore), once signed, I'll fly out and show you all where to dig it up. Should take about two days to find and dig up, and probably just one, the only difficulty is that it isn't a very large box.

 

[franklin]

Good Luck

 

[franklin]

Well I hate to tell everyone this but it is the truth. No need to go to Campbell County Clerk's Office to search for Deeds, Wills or Court Cases. It is one BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of Mass Confusion. I will never place my foot inside that building ever again. I said once before I had nightmares about that place and that was putting it lightly. Whatever is hidden in those records can stay there for someone else to dig them out. To find a single deed you may need a month to find it and if you miss it through the first look you may need another month or two. It is almost disgraceful that a place can be in that kind of order. To find the Risqué Plantation will have to go through that BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Pile of paperwork. I am never going to that house of horrors ever again. Good luck to anyone that tries.

I was driving and walking on the Risqué Plantation Land today. It made me mad to go to the clerk's office and be unable to track the deeds back through time to prove it. I do know where the plantation was located. You must remember until Giles Ward moved on the property it was only a small house or cabin used for hunting by JBR. I have a lead on three cemeteries in the area, two only have stones but one has headstones but the landowner was not home so it will take another trip. The land today is mostly undeveloped. Still do not know where the homesite or the cemetery are located but they are or were there somewhere. A project in the works.

 

[tad10]

Sigh.

 

[ECS]

Where do these off the wall theories originate?
Mark Twain writes the Beale Papers then gets James Beverly Ward to act as copyright agent on borrowed ADAMS BROS & PAYNES FEED stationary where his son in law William Johns worked.
Then it was printed by John William Sherman, advertised in the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, only sold in the Lynchburg area, and after complaints by descendants families that were mentioned in the dime novel job pamphlet, the unsold copies are destroyed in a fire.
Now that's a good one!
FYI: Mark Twain/Samuel Langhorne Clemens spent the years of the Civil War in Silver City, Nevada and later in San Francisco. Did not know Morriss or Ward .

 

[franklin]

Eh. Okay. But before you spend years on that, you should probably know that I already know the story behind the story of the Beale, which is why I can pinpoint the location of the smaller treasure in Montvale and a larger treasure on Park or National Forest Land. ;-) You need to know the former to be able to do the latter.

* * *

Anyway, deal still stands, for Rebel & whomever, if you can cut a deal with the owners of Locust Level (should be on their property if I understand the property boundaries correctly, immediately adjacent properties if I haven't) then 1/6 of the find is yours. I'll write up the papers (I'm an attorney, though I don't really practice anymore), once signed, I'll fly out and show you all where to dig it up. Should take about two days to find and dig up, and probably just one, the only difficulty is that it isn't a very large box.

If you want to know the property boundaries and the landowners name and address you can go to "Bedford County, Va GIS. The Howard Family owns Buford's Tavern property at least they did when they ran an antique outlet at that location. How do you know it is even the right tavern? The brick building was built in 1822 or 23. The old tavern behind it was built by either Henry or Thomas most likely Thomas because he owned the land nearby and was killed at the Battle of Point Pleasant while fighting with Daniel Boone and others. The mill there where Mel Fisher dug was owned by Thomas Buford also. Henry Buford had a tavern built up at the Buford's Gap near the spring on US 460 that is the tavern where Pauline Innis believes that Thomas Beale and his men stayed at (according to her new Gold Cover Book, "Gold in the Blue Ridge." You will have a lot more researching to do before you dig. Myself I don't believe there ever was a treasure other than what is written in the Beale Papers. James Beverly Ward had all the knowledge and personal experience to write the story to look like it was real but I do not believe there is a treasure to find. So again I wish you good luck.

I know one thing I hate Windows 10, the software does not keep up and make misspelled words like you did not type it write. Down with Windows 10 give me back my old computer-------everything new is Chinese and I hate that.

 

[ECS]

... James Beverly Ward had all the knowledge and personal experience to write the story to look like it was real but I do not believe there is a treasure to find...

That is the point many miss when claiming another wrote the Beale Papers as the "unknown author" , be it Twain, Emerson, Poe, Reavis, and so on, there would have to be a direct connection to James Beverly Ward as agent for copyright.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Eh. Okay. But before you spend years on that, you should probably know that I already know the story behind the story of the Beale, which is why I can pinpoint the location of the smaller treasure in Montvale and a larger treasure on Park or National Forest Land. ;-) You need to know the former to be able to do the latter.

* * *

Anyway, deal still stands, for Rebel & whomever, if you can cut a deal with the owners of Locust Level (should be on their property if I understand the property boundaries correctly, immediately adjacent properties if I haven't) then 1/6 of the find is yours. I'll write up the papers (I'm an attorney, though I don't really practice anymore), once signed, I'll fly out and show you all where to dig it up. Should take about two days to find and dig up, and probably just one, the only difficulty is that it isn't a very large box.

Well, I can't help either... I PERSONALLY know Mike, who owns land adjacent to the Locust Level area; I think he even has his home, there. He DID tell me that he DID find "artifacts" in that area, that was dated to the 1817-1822 "era". I will tell him of your "offer"...

 

[ECS]

... How do you know it is even the right tavern? The brick building was built in 1822 or 23. The old tavern behind it was built by either Henry or Thomas most likely Thomas because he owned the land nearby and was killed at the Battle of Point Pleasant while fighting with Daniel Boone and others. The mill there where Mel Fisher dug was owned by Thomas Buford also...

That was where Chris Widener, a Colorado radio DJ and self proclaimed "codedbreaker" told Mel Fisher that he solved the Beale codes and was the location of the Beale treasure vault.
After wasting time and money on a dig based on the words of an amateur codebreaker, Fisher returned to legitimate hard research that led to the discovery of a real treasure, the Atocha.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

That was where Chris Widener, a Colorado radio DJ and self proclaimed "codedbreaker" told Mel Fisher that he solved the Beale codes and was the location of the Beale treasure vault.
After wasting time and money on a dig based on the words of an amateur codebreaker, Fisher returned to legitimate hard research that led to the discovery of a real treasure, the Atocha.

THAT, he did...

 

[tad10]

I know one thing I hate Windows 10.

I could not agree more.

You will have a lot more researching to do before you dig.

I could not disagree more.

You've stated multiple times that you don't think there is a treasure trove. I've stated multiple times I can tell you exactly where to dig for the smaller of the Beale Treasure Troves. And that that location is on or immediately adjacent to the property now know as Locust Level. A property that is within driving distance of where you live (my understanding being that you live in Virginia within driving distance of Bedford County, I could be wrong), the only string attached being that I want ensure my cut of the small treasure (as well as ensure that I get any and all papers that may be in the box) given that I'm the one who solved it before I hand over the location. A perfectly reasonable string to attach given the history of the Beale I am sure you agree (and if you don't, well then there is no more need for us to communicate). Moreover, I'm more than willing to share in the treasure with the landowner and you or Rebel or whomever. I don't need or want all of it.

So I'm offering an empirical means to check my claim (dig at the X, if it is there I've solved it, if not you can laugh in my face), and your response is to go a a courthouse to look at records. That is completely fine, this is a free country, you can do what you like. But please don't suggest that I "research more" when I already know more about the Beale than anyone save the original author and his co-conspirators (publicly at least, the possibility exists that someone else knew as much or more than I do in the past and has already dug up the treasure, not a lot of light or regulation back in the day, easy enough for someone to dig up the small or large treasures without anyone seeing or knowing).

And as an example of this, let me state for the record that literally nothing you wrote in your reply post about the history of the Buford Tavern is at all relevant to solving the Beale Ciphers or recovering the Beale Treasure. Your statement above is analogous to the man who lost his contacts in place Y, but is looking in place Z because "the light is better over here.", you are researching entirely wrong avenues because those avenues are the only ones that you see as being available.

Trevor

 

[tad10]

Well, I can't help either... I PERSONALLY know Mike, who owns land adjacent to the Locust Level area; I think he even has his home, there. He DID tell me that he DID find "artifacts" in that area, that was dated to the 1817-1822 "era". I will tell him of your "offer"...

I would not bother at this juncture unless his property is on the west side of Locust Level (if it is on the East forget it), it is on Locust Level Land, unless I am very mistaken about property boundaries (thus my 'immediately adjacent property caveats'). However, if he is friends with the Locust Level people and they want to collectively work a deal, that's cool too. As I said, numismatic value could make the whole thing worthwhile for a bunch of folks.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I would not bother at this juncture unless his property is on the west side of Locust Level (if it is on the East forget it), it is on Locust Level Land, unless I am very mistaken about property boundaries (thus my 'immediately adjacent property caveats'). However, if he is friends with the Locust Level people and they want to collectively work a deal, that's cool too. As I said, numismatic value could make the whole thing worthwhile for a bunch of folks.

HA! It IS on the WEST side, going up the mountain... when we see him in church again, I will let him know.

 

[tad10]

HA! It IS on the WEST side up the mountain...

So tell Montvale: small treasure hidden on West side w/n 100 or so rods of the Chimney. Dig away! That's only about 1.4 million square feet to look through (though some of it is under the highway). Or they can give me a call.

Cheers!

 

[ECS]

... I already know more about the Beale than anyone save the original author and his co-conspirators...

Of course you do, just like all the others who have claimed to have "solved" the Beale ciphers.
Ever considered contacting the heirs of "his co-conspirators" listed in C3?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

So tell Montvale: small treasure hidden on West side w/n 100 or so rods of the Chimney. Dig away! That's only about 1.4 million square feet to look through (though some of it is under the highway). Or they can give me a call.

Cheers!

I will tell Mike; make a copy of this page; now I KNOW Gates will be back...