A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

[Crosse De Sign]

And this proves....what?

Are you now claiming you found and dug this gold bar up?

Sounds a lot like an entrapment question

 

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[dog the treasure hunter]

I find the statements in bold to be very interesting. Your methodology seems to rest on a phenomenon proven to be in contradiction with your claims. Interesting indeed.

Yes, i agree with that. Because if you look for those burial pit notches and find one, the cache is usually very close by. So i dont know why he is tell people now that they wont be close to them.

 

[Quinoa]

Your incorrect speculation re the obelisk is hampered by the fact that you don't know how that distant notch was formed and what else lay beyond it, on line. You get a pass on this one.

Here's another thing for you to consider re your backfilled mines. From my house, I can walk you to, oh, twenty backfilled mines in maybe an hour. Treasure trove wonderland? No. If these things were located on public land, the state of New Mexico backfilled them back in the 1980s as attractive nuisances and legal liabilities. You might look into this. It kinda ruins the excitement, yes, but then, I doubt you tried uncovering any of those you found anyway.

You might think I was being flippant about dogs, but if you're looking for the presence of prior human activities in uninhabited remote areas (mining, native American, graves, artifacts, et al), you might consider a four-legged exploration companion. I've had two that over the years have literally led me directly to dozens of such sites. They somehow have a sense about such things. Better than spending your money on dowsers or hanging around taking thousands of random photos - although, if you're fortunate, one day you might find a dowser who actually provides results. Hint: the only ones that can help you always do it for free.

A common fallacy of many sign readers/spanish type trail hunters old and new, is that they find a good set of markers and see an alignment (pointer, hoyo, gunsite etc) to something off in the distance , so they figure that's what all the markers are there for. So they call it a "trail" and go from one site, to the next , to the next, until they finally find something so obvious that they must be at "the end of trail", never knowing they just left many mines and caches behind them. It is very common for markers or other things on or next to a mine/cache site to point out how to find or where to go specifically for any other nearby sites. This is exactly the part you followed.

 

[RockHopper2]

DTTH, can you post a photo of the notch? I've noticed some one my sites and thought they could be used as alignments. Thanks Rocky

 

[dog the treasure hunter]

DTTH, can you post a photo of the notch? I've noticed some one my sites and thought they could be used as alignments. Thanks Rocky

Rockhopper if you look on my thread with the turtle cache set up you will see it,it says cache symbol. you can ask or say anything you want over there, i wont get mad or hurt its wide open. I dont want to hijack sandy1 thread

 

[Maverick1]

SomI sign read, and I marker read. I follow the signs to the markers, I follow markers to the signs. etimes I read the marker for a direction to take. In the end I relate it all to alignments or things lining someplace out, occasionally there is a large abstract image made with boulders hovering over the spot. These are rare, and sometimes they are the decoy trap spots.

I tend to think you are taking us on a trip backwards and saying to look for too much, which will lead most everyone to seeing things that aren't there or aren't important to the cache and will likely get people in trouble or dead or at a minimum running in circles and digging up every possible spot it could be in.[/QUOTE]

Brilliant...............guess who? (#1594)

 

[Quinoa]

It was me, so what?

looks like there's missing words and run on letters, did I really type that bad or did you not clip out right?

 

[Maverick1]

Don't know what happened. Blame it on technology/connection/site. But the message is clear and Brilliant. Brings back good ol' memories.

 

[sandy1]

SomI sign read, and I marker read. I follow the signs to the markers, I follow markers to the signs. etimes I read the marker for a direction to take. In the end I relate it all to alignments or things lining someplace out, occasionally there is a large abstract image made with boulders hovering over the spot. These are rare, and sometimes they are the decoy trap spots.

I tend to think you are taking us on a trip backwards and saying to look for too much, which will lead most everyone to seeing things that aren't there or aren't important to the cache and will likely get people in trouble or dead or at a minimum running in circles and digging up every possible spot it could be in.

Brilliant...............guess who? (#1594)[/QUOTE]


Maverick do you really see yourself as so smart that you can mock other peoples intelligence? (even if it is just a tech error)

 

[Maverick1]

Never said that. i agreed with technical error in my part

 

[sdcfia]

A common fallacy of many sign readers/spanish type trail hunters old and new, is that they find a good set of markers and see an alignment (pointer, hoyo, gunsite etc) to something off in the distance , so they figure that's what all the markers are there for. So they call it a "trail" and go from one site, to the next , to the next, until they finally find something so obvious that they must be at "the end of trail", never knowing they just left many mines and caches behind them. It is very common for markers or other things on or next to a mine/cache site to point out how to find or where to go specifically for any other nearby sites. This is exactly the part you followed.

You talk a pretty good story, Q, but you're definitely not psychic. You have no idea what I did, where I did it, or how the things I posted relate to the world surrounding that obelisk (the photo of which was posted to give viewers a respite from looking at nothing but random rocks "aligned" with each other). By the way, speaking of fallacies, I see you've made a rookie mistake, one that I made too forty years ago: the signs you are finding are not Spanish. I realize you have too much invested to admit it and I understand your denial - I clung to the same fallacy too for years. Remain flexible and open-minded.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Brilliant...............guess who? (#1594)


Maverick do you really see yourself as so smart that you can mock other peoples intelligence? (even if it is just a tech error)

Trying pretty hard...

 

[Quinoa]

I am quite aware of all the ancient stuff as well the newer stuff, sdcfia. Much more than you would think. On an old private board I was posting loads of that stuff years ago. Some of it would have even surprised you. Spanish/French stuff is pretty light in my area. But much of it has been reworked/remarked/or touched up in the last 50 years or less.

 

[sandy1]

Something else Q. that carved number 3 in the rock you posted awhile back IS most definitely from the Spanish Era.

 

[Ditlihi]

Sounds a lot like an entrapment question

Entrapment? For what?

Actually, I was simply using logic to determine how the gold bar in Sandy's avatar was relevant to the statement made by Quinoa. Quinoa stated he would rather follow a member with a gold bar in his avatar, which is cool with me, no problem, he is welcome to follow whoever he wants, for whatever reason. I, on the other hand, wanted to know if that was actually found and recovered by Sandy1, or just a pic he put up. He chose to answer evasively, by stating "I'm the only person who has ever posted this picture", neither confirming or denying. (That's what's known as obfuscation, by the way. Politicians do it all the time. Perfectly legal.)

You see, not everyone goes through life blindly accepting everything on faith. Some actually do due diligence before they " buy the used car " or " mining claim ". Asking Sandy1 if he had actually dug the bar up himself was my due diligence. I was not willing to follow someone just because they posted a pic of a gold bar, anyone can do that. But, alas, he chose to be evasive. That's fine, his prerogative, no sweat, no foul...and also perfectly legal.

I've never accused or insinuated that Anyone was lying. There was no statement ever made to call a lie. He evaded making any statement. Which is good enough for me. I now have all the information I need to come to a logical conclusion, regarding Quinoa's choice to follow a member with a gold bar in his avatar.

Deductive reasoning. Pretty simple, actually.

Carry on!

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Please Note it is against Forum Rules to accuse someone of Lying.

And no one needs to Prove "Extraordinary Claims"

From what I see this is [FONT="]"Sandy 1" 's Thread
if you's can't be civil Move on !
[/FONT][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="Crosse De Sign, post: 5543612, member: 64950"]Sounds a lot like an entrapment question

Strange when I was making the last post shown here, the above 1 showed up. I edited
it back out the first time, & by the time it posted, it had the above on it again.
So I edited it back out again... It's what I call automatic, creative editing,
but I'm really not sure how it happens. It's interesting, what is allowed.

 

[Quinoa]

Something else Q. that carved number 3 in the rock you posted awhile back IS most definitely from the Spanish Era.

Yeah that place is a mine and has new testament bible verses with images to go with the verses. But they weren't the first ones there. You already know they were just raiding what was already stored in it.

 

[jeff of pa]

Attention all who this May apply to.

Please Stay On Subject & Don't Harp over Past Posts !

Thank You.

If they are already above here, I'm not interested in Complaints about them.
being accused of picking Sides
or reading 1,885 past posts

 

[Crosse De Sign]

It is time for me to show the World how to capture Auras.


Here is my Technical Guide on how I capture the Auras.




(#1)
Now that I have covered the basics of vault treasure hunting, its time to cover the technical aspects of locating these treasures.


(#2)
The First thing to understand is that I use Auras to locate these treasures:
I capture these auras with a Pentax Optio w10 camera and have gotten over 100 long distance auras from different treasures with this particular camera (all from at least a half mile away from the mountain) however (There are different cameras that can capture these auras as well) A couple I know for sure are the (iPhone 7) and the (Pentax Optio w30)
As long as the camera can take multiple pictures automatically called interval or timelaps shooting with a intervalometer, which means you can set a time in between each shot, on the w10 the minimum is 10 seconds in between each picture taken, and it will take a thousand pictures, it takes about 3 hours to get all one thousand pictures.
You need to make sure whatever camera you try that it has the ability to automatically take pictures without you taking the pictures yourself.
It is very difficult catching Auras even with a camera, these Auras are faster than lightning and happen in full daylight, this also makes them invisible to the human eye.
Many times it will take thousands of pictures to capture just one aura, even when you are taking pictures of a mountain that has multiple caches on it.
Here is how the auras are created, The Aura phenomenon:
There is intermittent radiation that comes from the sun and hits different areas of ground sporadically and this happens very fast within a hundreth of a second, if this radiation happens to hit on a buried treasure(s) and you happen to be taking a picture of that area within that 1/100 of a second (with the right camera) you will capture a Photon Burst/Aura that is a result of the radiation bouncing/reflecting off of the treasure. This also has to do with solar winds/geomagnetic storms which effect the earths magnetosphere.


Here is the Equipment that I use in order to capture the auras from the buried treasures.
You can buy these on ebay.
Camera Pentax Optio W10 (discontinued, must buy used)
2: (New Batteries) for the same camera and a (Charger)
2: (SD 2GB Memory Cards, Full Size not Micro) (NOT the SDHC cards)
1: (Tripod for the camera)
1: (SD Memory Card Reader with USB connection, for transfering pictures to your computer)


(#3)
How to Capture Aura(s):
(Camera Instructions for the Pentax Optio W10)
(Use a 2GB SD (not sdhc)
(Don't Forget to Format)
How to format the memory:
Install the SD card
Turn on camera by pushing and holding the small round button on top, then push the lowest button on back closest to screen (Menu Button). Then locate the 4 buttons surrounding a circle button the middle is the Ok button and the four around it are for navigating: First screen will be Rec. Mode navigate to the right then you are in settings navigate down and format is lit up, navigate right and then up and then hit the OK middle circle button and that formats the memory.
(Charge Batteries)
(Read the formatting instructions first)
Turn on Camera
Push bottom left button (Menu Button) closest to the screen and navigate down to recorded Pixels and set at 6M (7M if using the w30) by navigating right and using the OK button then go down to Quality level and set at 2 stars make sure to press OK to set it, this makes sure you get 1000 shots on your memory card.
Now push lowest left button (Menu Button) again to get back to the picture taking screen.
It should say you have close to 1300 Pictures (just over 1000 on the w30) available in the upper right with a 2GB memory card.
If you have issues with sunlight changing due to shade from trees and clouds its a good idea to set the white Balance for Daylight.(this option is in the menu just below the settings for the Pixels and Quality)
Now back to the Navigation buttons: Push the upper of these five buttons several times untill you see (Drive mode interval shoot on the screen)
Now Push the middle round OK button of those five buttons Twice until interval lights up in Pink.
The Interval needs to be set at 10 Seconds
Navigate down onto Number of Shots Navigate right and up or down to get 1000 shots if you are at 2 it will jump to 1000 if you go down one click, Make sure to Click OK button to set it. (Start time leave at 0) Click Ok again and the fields go grey (no more Pink) then it will go back to the ready to take a picture screen in a few seconds.
Now Hit the right Navigation button three times for infinity shooting this keeps it from running down the battery because of autofocusing on every picture. Make sure to Hit OK to set it.


If everything has been done correctly you should have a: (P in white in the upper left corner This is what programming mode it is in) (if using the w30 you must make sure the P is being used not the auto pict to change this you have to push the Mode button just under the OK button) (a no flash sign) (the interval shooting sign) and (the little mountain sign for infinty shooting) on the upper left of the camera.
There should be around 1300 shots available on the upper right or just over 1000 on the w30. (Not all 2GB SD Cards Hold the Exact Same Amount of Pictures, as long as it holds more than 1000 pictures your good to go)


Where to set up the camera


Set up the camera on a steady tripod around 1/2 of a mile from the hill.


(Look at Picture #1a for an example of the very best distance for capturing auras from a hill. (You can zoom in a bit from this distance also)

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What's important is that you are close enough to see the Foliage/Trees etc. on the hills in the pictures.(you will need these later for alignment purposes)
Get at LEAST 1/8 of a mile of mountain in the picture, this increases your odds of catching an aura by covering lots of ground (the treasure is probably in a place your not expecting) also further away from the mountain helps for better pinpointing, this is very Important because you want to capture the entire aura on the mountain, if you are too close to the mountain, you may only catch a small part of the aura (because it is a photon/light burst bouncing off the treasure from the sun ) and catching only a portion of it can make the aura difficult to pinpoint on the mountain.


(Look at Picture #1b which is about a mile from the hill but zoomed in quite a bit) (This is the absolute furthest from the hill you should ever try to take pictures from)

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(VERY IMPORTANT make sure to mark the tripod spot for later) Take pictures During daylight hours (while sun is up) (Do not point the camera towards the sun, you don't want colorful prisms of light on the pictures from the sun)
Then just zoom in or out on the hill and click the shutter button it will start taking pictures every ten seconds for about 3 hours. make sure to check/verify that the the camera is coming on every ten seconds for a couple shots (you will see it flash onscreen for a second while it is taking the picture, the screen goes black in between the shots.)
It can take up to ten thousand pictures to capture an aura even in a good treasure area.
(these auras are rare and hard to capture)
(Take these camera instructions with you on site, in case any questions arise about how to use)


(#4)
Here is what you need to be able to scan/look for an aura:
First you need a full size monitor/tv 19" is a good size.
Second, you need a Photo Viewer that is fast and also Overlaps one picture Directly over the last one shown. (Side Scrolling Photo Viewers Do Not Work)
I use Honeyview for this purpose, this is the ONLY way to find an aura as each picture is shown over top of the last one and allows you to see a small anomaly very quickly as you look through each picture that replaces the last one.
I use a simple magnifying tool on windows 10 from the Windows ease of access menu, this allows me in conjuction with honeyview to look at a specific section of each picture by magnifying it up to 300 or 400 percent while I am scanning through each photo for an aura.
The Picture before the Aura will have nothing and then the Next picture with the Aura and then the picture after the aura will have nothing on it, which is telling you the aura was just in that one picture.


Make sure that what you think is the Aura is not a Bird or a Bug or Pollen which can be in the air close to the camera. General rule of thumb, if you see something in your photos in more than 1 picture within a series of ten pictures its probably birds flying around the mountain or bugs/pollen close to the camera. The auras are much more rare than that. You will see a few white or cloudy blotches in some pictures (probably dust particals in or on the camera lens) here and there (up in the sky etc.) that are not treasure which is why it is imparative that you verify the aura with the markers at the aura's location.


In my area the auras are generally, mostly white with some black mixed in (as the aura burns out they show more black) Sometimes I will Catch a Gold Aura as well. (I ignore the black ones as they are generally birds) Remember these auras only last a split second.


(#5)
After finding an aura:
(print the aura picture) take that picture and a better camera back to the exact tripod spot you caught the aura from and (take zoomed in pictures of the aura spot with the better camera)
(Make an extra copy of your aura picture)
(Using the computer paint program) Make a plus (+) mark on the copied aura picture (using the line tool on the shapes toolbar, no freehand drawings) (the brightest part of the aura goes in the middle of the plus) Make sure the lines of the plus are exactly horizontal and vertical and very long for accuracy. Try to copy/transfer the exact location of the aura onto the new zoomed in picture with a plus (+) mark. (SEE VERY IMPORTANT BELOW and the Example Pictures) (Aura spot goes in the middle of the plus (+) on the new zoomed in picture) (be aware that you can easily be off up to 10 feet on the hill from human error as it is not always easy to make a perfect transfer from the aura picture to the zoomed in picture especially if the aura is big and not pinpointable) (Look for the brightest spot in the aura, usually that is the exact spot to put in the middle of the plus on your picture) (Print this zoomed in Plus marked picture)
(VERY IMPORTANT) Make absolutely certain that when making the plus on the new zoomed in picture that the ends of the plus are as long as you can get and touching bushes or something that is identified in the first aura picture, because taking the zoomed in picture will almost always be at a slight angle to the original aura picture, which means that the Plus mark lines will most likely not be horizontal and vertical (most likely the whole plus will be angled or tilted left or right) unlike on the first aura picture plus which has perfect horizontal and vertical lines, this can really throw off the location.

EXAMPLE Picture #2 : Picture #2 is a picture of 3 separate auras/treasures with the left aura marked with a Horizontal and Vertical Plus.(This picture #2 has been cropped down, it was originally showing a half mile of mountain and was taken a mile away from the mountain)

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EXAMPLE Picture #3 : Picture #3 is the zoomed in picture of the same marked aura spot on the mountain as picture #2. (Picture #3 was taken from the exact same tripod spot as the original #2 aura picture was taken from (a mile from the mountain) with a much higher resolution Camera)Notice how the Plus is NOT horizontal and Vertical on picture #3 but at an angle this is due to human error on the angle of the camera either on the tripod (not being level) or while taking the zoomed in picture by hand (Be very aware of this difference and compensate for it by using the bushes rocks etc. as guides just as I have in this picture)


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(#6)
After Finding the Aura on the original Picture and transferring it to the second Much Better Picture with a plus mark, it is time to go to the aura site:
Using two people with walkies or phones, one person stays at the original aura picture tripod location with the marked zoomed in photo and the other person goes to the aura location on the mountain.
(Don't forget your drinking water)
(Important Make sure the Person on the mountain is wearing a:
(Neon Yellow Shirt) and (Sitting Down) so the person at the tripod spot can be more accurate in pinpointing)
The person (at the tripod spot where the aura was originally caught ) using binoculars pinpoints the person on the mountain with the plus mark on the zoomed in picture which should be the aura spot on the mountain (use the bushes trees etc. to visually match up the plus spot in the picture to the aura spot on the mountain) (getting the person dead on the plus/aura spot is critical for success, assuming that the plus was accurately marked on the picture as well)
(I have had to redo the plus transfer of the aura to the better picture on occasion to be more accurate)
After pinpointing the person on the plus/aura from the original tripod spot that you first caught the aura, take another zoomed in picture (with the best camera) of the person on the mountain in the neon yellow shirt sitting down. After pinpointing and getting the picture of the person on the aura spot/mountain have the person on the mountain build a marker at that exact pinpointed aura spot.
(Make sure the person while making the marker on the hill does not take from or disturb any logs or piled rock markers/cairns he/she might find on the hill near the aura as these could be very valuable clues put there by the Modern Day Sentinels maybe even marking the dig spot)
Then take that picture and look at it on your computer and match it up with your plus marked picture to see if the person was pinpointed correctly on the mountain before going out to the mountain in case there needs to be an accuracy adjustment.
At this point you should have 3 separate pictures of 1 spot on the hill (the original aura picture, the zoomed in and printed picture with a plus mark and the final picture of your partner in neon yellow on the spot) All of these should have been taken from the original tripod spot you caught the first aura from.
Next the tripod spot person goes out on the mountain with the person that built the marker on the mountain (together) and relocates the marker (this is not always as easy as it sounds since it looks much different from the tripod point of view then when actually on the mountain looking for the little marker, the builder of the marker is the only one who knows what the mountain looks like at the spot as well as what kind of marker he/she built)


Enjoy

sandy,

It's interesting the small # you think will ever get within 50' of a vault.
No wonder, with all of the misleading info, & the resistance to correct.

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Trying pretty hard...

Well, if that is your only perception about me, too bad
What happened to good old “Free Spirit and Free Thinking” that Our Founders cherished dearly?
In that case…..I guess Me bad. (and many others too)

No adverse kinda' comment, or other quote made by me in that post...
Good try though, & Good luck...