A GUIDE TO VAULT TREASURE HUNTING (Condensed)

[Tom_in_CA]

Sandy1 posted his information almost a year ago... and since that time there hasn't been one, NOT ONE, person to come on here and say that the information cannot be verified or that the method doesn't work. (to the contrary, there are many people that have confirmed it to be true from around the world)

The only ones that seem to be CERTAIN that the method is false are the ones that HAVEN'T EVEN PUT THE METHOD TO THE TEST.

Let that SINK IN for a minute people. You will CLEARLY see what's happening here.

Those that put it to the test, confirm the information is trustworthy. Those that HAVEN'T PUT IT TO THE TEST claim it's not true and not only that, they DISSUADE you from EVER GOING TO FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

You can clearly see their true motives....

"Be as wise as serpents, and as harmless as doves"

Then can all the same be said of my tennis shoe method. Right ? It too is un-assailable till you've tried it , right ? Otherwise you can not claim it's silly. Right ? (bird seed sprinkled on top helps improve results mind you).

 

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[Tom_in_CA]

So you evade the direct question ...

I have answered every single question.

..... NEWSFLASH, you'll NEVER get people to post pictures of Spanish Treasure they may have found no matter how hard you try.

I already know and acknowledge the news-flash. I get it. IRS, thieves, and cultural heritage. Yup. And the newsflash to you is that scores of standard md'r th'rs have routinely posted show & tell. Some even quite valuable.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Hi Tom. Here's a link to a book titled Banditti of the Prairies.

https://archive.org/stream/bandittiofprairi00bonn/bandittiofprairi00bonn_djvu.txt

The book is real interesting and has a lot of treasure leads, but on page 177 the author describes the cache site.

A few hours before the execution of the Longs and Young, John
Long informed a friend of Baxter, that when Fox buried the mo
ney in the bluff on the Des Moines river, he made certain land
marks by which he, or his friends could find the money, as fol
lows :

''At the point where Fox left Birch, to go and bury the money,
he made the figures 72 on a large black walnut tree. Soventy-twr
yards from this tree in a Northeast direction is a small black wal
nut tree with a cross cut in the bark with a bowie knife; fourteen
yards from this small tree, due North, is a large stone; midway
between the tree and stone is the spot where tte money was burictd.

Soon after I returned from Fort Madison, I received this infor-
mation, and immediately started in search of the money. I found
the marks corresponding with Long's description, the fallen leaves
from the forest trees had covered the ground obliterating every
mark where the earth had been removed, but after a close search
1 found where the robbers had deposited their treasure, and found
three American half dollars, and two Spanish quarters, with other
marks which proved that the money had been dug up and removed
in the night, doubtless under the direction of Fox, after his escape
from Johnson, at Indianapolis.

thanx mdog. I think we "jinxed" each other and posted at approx. the same time.

I don't disagree that each and every story will have iron-clad indisputable reasons to believe "the treasure must certainly be there". But this fails to ask yourself: "Says who?" And "is there other possible explanations?".

See my true story of the "gold under the streets". If this had occurred 100+ yrs. ago, and the worker's statements taken down for-the-record (like the points in the story as your post here), then ....... 100 years later, I don't doubt the conclusion by the casual reader would be "treasure!" Yet as you can see from my example story, there's no treasure. And as you can see, other explanations were at play.

 

[sandy1]

I will never understand the logic behind anybody denying the existence of vault treasures when they themselves have never went out and looked for one.

The only thing I can think of is the people trying to deny the existence of these Vault treasures have a Hidden Agenda.

 

[Jakeellison82]

Hey, guys I'm brand new to..well, forums all around, so I am not sure if I'm posting this in the right spot so we'll see what happens. I started digging a spot and got down about 5 feet and thinking that the Spanish or jesuit with had put some cement about 2 feet down to 4 feet down I just decided to see if I could dig underneath it and while digging I noticed that the cement was actually an elaborate Carving of sorts. I have found no less than 50 carvings of turtles turtles heads even ones with color bears and looks like eagles heads birds from the teeniest rock to rock the size of a basketball All have numbers and carvings I've never seen anything like this on any for him I don't know if it's a grave and I just happened to stumble upon the side of it or what. Any help would be much appreciated

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I will never understand the logic behind anybody denying the existence of vault treasures when they themselves have never went out and looked for one....

Already answered. Because if the person failed to find a treasure vault, his results would be promptly explained away and dismissed by the reasons cited in #1073 & 1083

....The only thing I can think of is the people trying to deny the existence of these Vault treasures have a Hidden Agenda.

I might be a government shill. Sent here to dissuade people from finding the treasures we are trying to keep hidden.

 

[AIORIA]

Already answered. Because if the person failed to find a treasure vault, his results would be promptly explained away and dismissed by the reasons cited in #1073 & 1083

But so far NOT ONE has come forth to say they tried the method and given us detailed description of how it didn't work.... Let me guess it's because of the reasons cited in #1073 & 1083 that they stay SILENT and NOT because they actually found something. LOL.

I might be a government shill. Sent here to dissuade people from finding the treasures we are trying to keep hidden.

At this point I seriously wouldn't doubt it. We've already agreed that the "Sentinels" are real and are very active. Just ask sdcfia, he knows A LOT MORE than he'd have us believe.

Did you read some of his detailed previous posts about sentinels? If you did you'd know that this guy has to know by association. "It takes one to know one" they say.

Then you start sounding a lot like him and his buddy so i'd say there's a good chance that the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[sandy1]

I might be a government shill. Sent here to dissuade people from finding the treasures we are trying to keep hidden.

I wouldn't be that terribly surprised if you were, or worked for some other organization.

 

[Tnmountains]

I have answered every single question.



I already know and acknowledge the news-flash. I get it. IRS, thieves, and cultural heritage. Yup. And the newsflash to you is that scores of standard md'r th'rs have routinely posted show & tell. Some even quite valuable.

True look at all the gold coins you have found and posted. I am sure they are very valuable? Me thinks a big score comes it will not be posted on the internet. At least not by a knowledgable hunter. There are thousands and thousands of big money treasures waiting to be found.Odds are best with wrecks but man has been burying things for a long long time.

 

[Tnmountains]

I wouldn't be that terribly surprised if you were, or worked for some other organization.

sandy1

Great thread glad to see you still running it as the OP.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

..... Let me guess it's because of the reasons cited in #1073 & 1083 that they stay SILENT and NOT because they actually found something. LOL....

Yep. A balance of terror. I can't disprove it. You can't prove it. A vicious circle

 

[AIORIA]

sandy1

Great thread glad to see you still running it as the OP.

Thanks for the input Moderator. We wouldn't have it any other way. Sandy1 is a living legend and it's an honor to be able to be in communications with a man of his integrity and caliber.

 

[AIORIA]

Yep. A balance of terror. I can't disprove it. You can't prove it. A vicious circle

EXACTLY. So in the face of such dilemma what is the best route for one who is curious about this to take? I ask this question to you Tom....
Wouldn't the LOGICAL answer be to go out and verify for yourself and find out first hand?

I mean what other option is there if indeed you truly want to find out if the information is true or not? So then, why the denial and dissuasion?

Why keep up the "running in circles marathon" posts instead of getting to the bottom of the issues? I'm starting to think this is all entertainment for most of you who like a little bit of drama, (I really wish that to be the case) but am more inclined to think that the reality of the matter is that the sentinel network runs DEEPER than most of us would ever believe.

Just my thoughts...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

Difference is, Tom isn't condemning everyone here. He's entitled to his opinion.

If you come in condemning others and telling them they are stupid or foolish or morons ... well, some folks just don't appreciate strangers insulting their friends.

Tom always asks for proof, but so far I haven't seen him insult anyone on this thread, that makes him different.

Maybe, still a Wise kinda' gold coin Guy? [EDITED] = 'wiseguy'

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... what is the best route for one who is curious about this to take? I ask this question to you Tom.......

The "best route" is ..... show the proof in the pudding. But we both already know what the fall-back lines are for that.

.... Wouldn't the LOGICAL answer be to go out and verify for yourself and find out first hand?...

Only if the proponents of said-system would agree to promise ahead of time, that if someone "tries it" and it "doesn't work", that the proponent's come onboard to agree. But as you know, the proponent's won't do that. The list of fall-back explanations will be rolled out.

Oh, and BTW: Supposing a treasure COULD be shown, that is said to be chalked up to some un-conventional means like in-this-thread. Is it possible that the MERE FACT of someone out snooping around, WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSED INTENT of "finding treasure", will eventually stumble on to something.

It's the same addage of : "If you dig enough holes, around enough likely ruins, then you WILL eventually find a goodie". Did it mean that ... therefore .... the peanut butter smeared tennis shoe (fill-in-the-blank of un-conventional means) led you to it ? Of course not. It was merely a function of "digging enough holes around enough likely looking ruins".

 

[Crosse De Sign]

To all the People who have followed and supported what I have said and shown, I have no doubt that you Guys and Gals, would not have listened to me for a second if it weren't for the fact that you all have witnessed for yourselves the same types of markers I have shown but in your very own parts of the country.

So, I wanted to thank you all for your support.

The only thing I can't get so far, is a good aura. That won't stop me from trying,
but the country I live in isn't much like open lands of the west. So unless I do wind
up getting a good one, I may not get the rest of results. But there is definitely same
relative markers & more, & perhaps they left something. I knew you were right on it,
when I first started reading & looking at your pics & process. Though my markers don't
always have the same carving quality. Some are so unique, they were obviously made
a bit different. But I had already studied all I could find on TN & in the field, & also
learned a lot already, with field confirmation. So it not only all made sense, but
even made much better sense looking at it in reality there in pics & in the field.

I will continue to use your guide & info, with much pleasure & enjoyment,
& like others, I wish you good peace, & fullness of enjoyable days, & long
satisfied life. I'm sure you have other, & more entertaining things to do,
so thank you always for hanging in here with us, even though there are
those sour notes, kinda' out of tune.

I still enjoy your specific, experience orientated posts, & reckon I'll
always be happy & grateful when you take the time to...

 

[Crosse De Sign]

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[AIORIA]

"If you dig enough holes, around enough likely ruins, then you WILL eventually find a goodie".

You hit it on the head!

 

[sdcfia]

Hi Tom. Here's a link to a book titled Banditti of the Prairies.

https://archive.org/stream/bandittiofprairi00bonn/bandittiofprairi00bonn_djvu.txt

The book is real interesting and has a lot of treasure leads, but on page 177 the author describes the cache site.

A few hours before the execution of the Longs and Young, John
Long informed a friend of Baxter, that when Fox buried the mo
ney in the bluff on the Des Moines river, he made certain land
marks by which he, or his friends could find the money, as fol
lows :

''At the point where Fox left Birch, to go and bury the money,
he made the figures 72 on a large black walnut tree. Soventy-twr
yards from this tree in a Northeast direction is a small black wal
nut tree with a cross cut in the bark with a bowie knife; fourteen
yards from this small tree, due North, is a large stone; midway
between the tree and stone is the spot where tte money was burictd.

Soon after I returned from Fort Madison, I received this infor-
mation, and immediately started in search of the money. I found
the marks corresponding with Long's description, the fallen leaves
from the forest trees had covered the ground obliterating every
mark where the earth had been removed, but after a close search
1 found where the robbers had deposited their treasure, and found
three American half dollars, and two Spanish quarters, with other
marks which proved that the money had been dug up and removed
in the night, doubtless under the direction of Fox, after his escape
from Johnson, at Indianapolis.

Nice post, dog. Yes, clues such as these can lead a guy to a stash. It's a good example of how a legitimate cache may have been marked with proprietary information - enough reminders to easily recover what was previously hidden. And simple enough for even a diligent non-participant to figure it out too. I won't bother to explain again why the "repeatable code" theory is totally fallacious. People can believe whatever floats their barge.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....how a legitimate cache may have been marked with proprietary information - enough reminders to easily recover what was previously hidden......

Whenever a cache is found, it will be easy to look around the site, and think "aha!" To easily see a mark on a rock, or an un-canny measurement between 2 trees, or .... some such mark that *could* have been purposeful to have "marked the site". Sure.

But the problem then becomes: If you look around normal landscape, you will eventually see OODLES of "marks" and "uncanny" squiggles, measurements, designs, etc.... In the same way that you can lie on your back, look at the clouds, and eventually make out a smiley face, a bunny shape, etc... All of which, of course, are totally random.

Also: There are scores of caches found that have no corresponding puzzle, signs, markers, cryptograms, etc... I've found a few for commissioned posse hunts, where ...... once found, nothing uncanny or unusual about where it had been. Other than "beside a bush" or "under a window", or "in a corner of the crawl space, etc... But as you can see, with each of those 3 examples, there MILLIONS of bushes. And MILLIONS of windows. Etc.. etc....