A couple finds and why we carry

[GopherDaGold]

Pistol ball and a tiny button shank that was 8" deep.



Ran across this print while detecting. This is about 75 yards from my neighborhood.



A resident claims he set up a trail cam and captured this:

 

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[Ziggy-Grimm]

I'm more afraid of humans, bees, domestic dogs, and lightning than I am of getting attacked by a Black Bear. They very rarely attack humans.

 

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[civil_war22]

I spent over 20 years of my life training, and competing in martial arts.
Started in the days when street fighting was a popular hobby here in
the San Fernando Valley.
In the early 70's, as luck would have it, all the best schools were here in the valley.

But gentlemen,...... it's a perishable skill.

I'm old now, and honestly can't depend on my skills to bang it out with a couple of
younger, larger, guys,......


I heard a once well known martial artist say this,......

"The day comes when you're too old to fall victim to some thugs wanting to beat you down
and rob you, or worse. That is the day I started carrying a gun for protection"


Oh, and cw22, very, very, few people are granted a concealed weapon permit without
some connection to law enforcement, being a body guard, personal security for some
celebrity, or a wealthy business man with connections.

That's just the way it is.


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1970


Dam I miss the life I once had,........


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I better quit,.... my eyes a tearing up.

Haha, yeah Dad, and the guys he went to school with in the 70’s was into martial arts. His buddy that practically lived with dad, and my grandparents, is 60 now, and still trains, his older brother Bill is probably 62, and looks like Lou Ferrigno, but has the moves like Chuck Norris. It was a epidemic back in the 70’s from Cali all the way to Arkansas. Everyone competed back then. Dads buddies still train, all have been black belts for years, heck probably by the end of high school. Just like any tool, if you let it sit too long without using it, it’ll get rusty. I was in martial arts, particularly defensive tactics, mainly as a last resort while working in law enforcement. I’d practiced martial arts when I was younger, and by the time I started at the sheriffs office I was more into what ways would be best to take someone down, or if they had a weapon what move would be best to either subdue them, or kill them if they were intending that harm on me. One thing I learned during those years training on defensive tactics is that if you’re ever on your knees, and someone has a revolver to your head, don’t sit on both knees, leave one leg up a little to lunge forwards, and if they have a revolver they taught us to grab the gun push it up, and while doing that grab and hold the gun near the hammer. Let me tell you, when a hammer from a revolver hits you in between the thumb, and pointer finger, you don’t want to live practice that one very often. I did however enjoy learning how to disassemble a Beretta 92 9mm while on the ground on the same scenario. Once you get the hang of it you’re sitting there stunned at how easy it is to do it.

 

[SanMan]

I would give up 10 years of my life,.......

For just one weekend,.... just one weekend.

 

[civil_war22]

I would give up 10 years of my life,.......

For just one weekend,.... just one weekend.

Yeah I wish I didn’t have a spinal fusion, and need another one, or knee replacement or I’d love doing it again

 

[SanMan]

Yeah I wish I didn’t have a spinal fusion, and need another one, or knee replacement or I’d love doing it again

Hang in there, "they can't eat us"



I posted a sign,........

"Eat The Canadians First"


We have our memories cw,...... many don't even have those.

We, both of us, are alive because of the grace of God.

I should have been dead years ago,....same for you I imagine.


Yet, here we are.

 

[civil_war22]

Hang in there, "they can't eat us"



I posted a sign,........

"Eat The Canadians First"


We have our memories cw,...... many don't even have those.

We, both of us, are alive because of the grace of God.

I should have dead years ago,....same for you I imagine.


Yet, here we are.

Exactly. Here I am still on the earth, and right now I’m dealing with this mess on the side of the mountain, trying to figure out what all they’ve done.

 

[sjvalleyhunter]

Here in California,..... no way. They are rarer than hens teeth.


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It all depends on what county you live in. Here in Fresno county, the Sheriff hands out CCW permits like candy. It’s a mini Texas here in the Central Valley.

 

[civil_war22]

It all depends on what county you live in. Here in Fresno county, the Sheriff hands out CCW permits like candy. It’s a mini Texas here in the Central Valley.

That would be awesome. See there is some states that are like that. I’ve heard of the sheriff being the one who does all of the CCW stuff. Here in Arkansas it’s not horrible, but it’s not the greatest system. First you have to go spend $40-65 on class/range, then $75 to the state for a background check, then the state will mail you one, and you renew it every 5 years. I think it’s total bs anyways, because not only are you out the money for taking a photocopy of your DL, but also have to go get your fingerprints done, and sometimes that cost depending on where you go, and then mail this all off, and wait 60 days, to find out whether or not the nearly $200 you spent was good for something or they reject you. They’ve rejected people here on “accident”, and now they’ve made it that domestic battery victims are allowed to carry permitless. Which is a crock of crap, because not all women are domestic violence victims, some are men, and some women make it up just to get you out of their way for another man. I’m glad I got mine, and the only time I have to deal with it is when I have to renew it. Just to renew it is $50, and you have to sit through the class. Where I screwed up was when my ex wife, and I were still married, at the time I could have gotten mine for free because I was in law enforcement, and thought ugh I won’t need one. Well I got out of law enforcement several years later, and all the rookies who’re out on the streets now, have no idea who I am, even though when I worked there I knew everyone from halfway across the state. Sad part was I saw a old man, in his middle 60’s that worked for the police dept the other day while I was at physical therapy, he was with his wife, and the man just started about 3 years ago. I overheard him talking about where he worked, and told him I’d worked there a few years back, and he was like hmm I’ve never seen you before, but the name sounds familiar. I said you haven’t seen me because I left before you started, and some of my old buddies still work there, but are detectives now. I was just in awe to see a man in his early 60’s working as a patrol officer with no rank whatsoever, and been there 3 years. So in 2 years if he’s still alive he’ll get his PFC(patrolman first class) stripe.

 

[SanMan]

It all depends on what county you live in. Here in Fresno county, the Sheriff hands out CCW permits like candy. It’s a mini Texas here in the Central Valley.

He's right guys,..... honest truth.


Back in the day I went to school with Randy Shields,...... a good boxer that went on to some fame.

He later moved to Ventura county.
I know this because a story in the news paper told of him eating at a restaurant when men came
in to rob the place and he used his concealed handgun to spoil their day.

La Times archives:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-09-20-sp-2145-story.html

The robbery was here in the Valley, (no surprise), but Randy had a permit
because he applied in Ventura county.

Randy was trained by his father, a professional boxer that had to leave the ring
because of a broken neck.

The thing is,...

You have to live there, in the county where permits are more likely than not.

Many moons ago, when rent was cheap, people rented a clapped out place where
permits were easier to get. But actually lived and worked in another county.

Just too expensive to consider that trick now, plus,..... it's a computer world,...
things get pieced together fast.

And that leads to trouble.

 

[Tuberale]

I met a black bear once. I was fishing in the South Santiam and I kept hearing this sound coming up the river. Fortunately I had an 8' pole with me. I found the bear turning over rocks for crayfish when he stopped and looked at me. I remember bears don't like things that look larger than they are. So I waved the fishing pole above my head. The bear headed up the side of the canyon faster than I could run.

 

[SanMan]

That would be awesome. See there is some states that are like that. I’ve heard of the sheriff being the one who does all of the CCW stuff. Here in Arkansas it’s not horrible, but it’s not the greatest system. First you have to go spend $40-65 on class/range, then $75 to the state for a background check, then the state will mail you one, and you renew it every 5 years..

In Washington the first one they issue is for 1 year.
And has your trigger finger prints on it.

The renewal is for 5 years, no prints on it.


This is the renewal,....





I covered the signature, (vertical on the left), name and birth date,...

Not from you guys, from internet information pirates.

You fellas that carried or now carry,.....

What have you carried?

Summer?
Winter?

 

[civil_war22]

In Washington the first one they issue is for 1 year.
And has your trigger finger prints on it.

The renewal is for 5 years, no prints on it.


This is the renewal,....


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I covered the signature, (vertical on the left), name and birth date,...

Not from you guys, from internet information pirates.

You fellas that carried or now carry,.....

What have you carried?

Summer?
Winter?

I either carry the Springfield .45 tactical while in the woods, or in the vehicle, and sometimes I’ll carry my Ruger LCP 2 .380 in my pocket while out, and about. I’ve wanted another carry gun I just don’t know which one I want. The handguns don’t seem to lose much value so I’ve got to shop around, and see, but winter, and summer in the woods is the .45, or .380 depending on which woods I’m in. If I know there’s bear I’ll take the .45, if I’m just out and about on my moms, or great grandmas I’ll carry the .380. I use to have a Springfield XDS .45 but to me it was still as wide, and bulky as my tactical, and always felt like it was going to pull my pants off. My tactical lays right along my hip either inside or outside.

 

[sjvalleyhunter]

And thanks to George W. Bush passing HR 218 back in 2004, I can carry in all 50 states. It sure makes taking a cross country drive a little more comfortable.

(Although my 9mm wouldn’t stop a bear.)

 

[civil_war22]

And thanks to George W. Bush passing HR 218 back in 2004, I can carry in all 50 states. It sure makes taking a cross country drive a little more comfortable.

(Although my 9mm wouldn’t stop a bear.)

That’s what I’ve been confused about. Cause when my ex wife went to get hers I was going to get mine free. Then after I got out of law enforcement I then had to pay. I think that’s a bunch of horse crap. Anyone who’s served as a police officer, went through active shooter courses, even if they were just a beat cop, should be able to qualify under HR 218. I’ve always thought that law was biased, because there are some folks who don’t retire from law enforcement, but still work part time as a officer, or private security. I’ve just thought it was crap because if you’ve worked long enough in law enforcement each individual who’s not committed a class A misdemeanor or a felony after getting out of law enforcement should also be entitled to the same as those who are active or retire.

 

[SanMan]

And thanks to George W. Bush passing HR 218 back in 2004, I can carry in all 50 states. It sure makes taking a cross country drive a little more comfortable.

(Although my 9mm wouldn’t stop a bear.)

A 9mm ball ammo in the brain pan would.

More than tricky shooting when everything is moving so fast.

Truth is top experts, names the would ring with each one of you,......

Stated that hunting large bears with a .44 magnum falls into the stunt category.

After doing some research, and dragging out a tape measure,.....

I agreed, and canceled a hunt I was planning with a freshly built .44 mag.

 

[sjvalleyhunter]

That’s what I’ve been confused about. Cause when my ex wife went to get hers I was going to get mine free. Then after I got out of law enforcement I then had to pay. I think that’s a bunch of horse crap. Anyone who’s served as a police officer, went through active shooter courses, even if they were just a beat cop, should be able to qualify under HR 218. I’ve always thought that law was biased, because there are some folks who don’t retire from law enforcement, but still work part time as a officer, or private security. I’ve just thought it was crap because if you’ve worked long enough in law enforcement each individual who’s not committed a class A misdemeanor or a felony after getting out of law enforcement should also be entitled to the same as those who are active or retire.

HR 218 does allow any “qualified retired law enforcement officer” to carry. The qualifications include having been a sworn officer for at least ten years, or having separating from service due to a service connected disability or retirement. You have to also carry a photo identification card issued by the agency you worked for and have qualified at the range within twelve months using the gun being carried. There are a couple of other minor requirements, but bottom line is that retired sworn peace officers can carry nationwide under HR 218.

 

[SanMan]

I either carry the Springfield .45 tactical while in the woods, or in the vehicle, and sometimes I’ll carry my Ruger LCP 2 .380 in my pocket while out, and about. I’ve wanted another carry gun I just don’t know which one I want. The handguns don’t seem to lose much value so I’ve got to shop around, and see, but winter, and summer in the woods is the .45, or .380 depending on which woods I’m in. If I know there’s bear I’ll take the .45, if I’m just out and about on my moms, or great grandmas I’ll carry the .380. I use to have a Springfield XDS .45 but to me it was still as wide, and bulky as my tactical, and always felt like it was going to pull my pants off. My tactical lays right along my hip either inside or outside.

I expected nothing less.

In the winter I carried a 1911 in .38 super, or a series 70 Mk IV 1911 .45

In the summer I carried a Charter Arms Bulldog, stainless, body guard configuration,
(shrouded, bobbed hammer), in .44 special.
(one of the most accurate handguns I have ever owned)


Now a days,......

In the city, I would likely carry a Browning High Power in the winter,
in the summer, well, I wouldn't mind finding another stainless Charter in .44 special.
(same as I had and sold for $150,....if it was as accurate as the one I had)

My series 70





(pictures from my post on metal detecting in bad neighborhoods)

LOL

 

[sjvalleyhunter]

I expected nothing less.

In the winter I carried a 1911 in .38 super, or a series 70 Mk IV 1911 .45

In the summer I carried a Charter Arms Bulldog, stainless, body guard configuration,
(shrouded, bobbed hammer), in .44 special.
(one of the most accurate handguns I have ever owned)


Now a days,......

In the city, I would likely carry a Browning High Power in the winter,
in the summer, well, I wouldn't mind finding another stainless Charter in .44 special.
(same as I had and sold for $150,....if it was as accurate as the one I had)

My series 70

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(pictures from my post on metal detecting in bad neighborhoods)

LOL

Careful with those brass knuckles. Those are still illegal in California.

 

[civil_war22]

HR 218 does allow any “qualified retired law enforcement officer” to carry. The qualifications include having been a sworn officer for at least ten years, or having separating from service due to a service connected disability or retirement. You have to also carry a photo identification card issued by the agency you worked for and have qualified at the range within twelve months using the gun being carried. There are a couple of other minor requirements, but bottom line is that retired sworn peace officers can carry nationwide under HR 218.

Dangit. I wish I would have known that before it had gone this long. I knew I should have gotten it when I had the chance to when I worked there.

 

[SanMan]

That’s what I’ve been confused about. Cause when my ex wife went to get hers I was going to get mine free. Then after I got out of law enforcement I then had to pay. I think that’s a bunch of horse crap. Anyone who’s served as a police officer, went through active shooter courses, even if they were just a beat cop, should be able to qualify under HR 218. I’ve always thought that law was biased, because there are some folks who don’t retire from law enforcement, but still work part time as a officer, or private security. I’ve just thought it was crap because if you’ve worked long enough in law enforcement each individual who’s not committed a class A misdemeanor or a felony after getting out of law enforcement should also be entitled to the same as those who are active or retire.

I am familiar with the laws in Louisiana, California, and a good bit of Georgia.

In those three states a retired or former officer, clean record, has the right to concealed carry.

In Louisiana former officers that are able bodied can be recalled to duty in an emergency.

Same three states, a law officer is considered on duty 24 hours a day, even off the clock.