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[aarthrj3811]

I tried dowsing today and found nothing in my front yard except what I imagine to be the mesh reinforcing my concrete drive way,the waterline the power line and possibly the eyelets on my boots.Could be it was my belt buckle.Held em farther out from my chest and that quit.Granted to skeptics I knew were those items were prior to picking up rods.
Haven't any idea what I was doing but I went in the shop found heavy gauge copper wire stripped the insulation bent them at a 90 degree angle with 5" in the hand and 10" pointing.triangulating works "scientifically" for finding square (3 4 5 method of squaring framing) and dropping ordnance so I went with that.
I was surprised to see the rods react with ease and often.I didn't think any thing specific just followed were they pointed this time. I do sense when I am moving them and when they are moving on their own.I also "feel" this could be done without rods and that they only focus the minds attention. Regardless ?? is right.

Thanks for giving it a try…..It takes a lot of practice to become accurate and start locating unknown objects. You can tell when you are moving them and when they are moving on their own….When I feel that I moved the rods I back up and try it again because I do not want the Ideomotor Effects to control my rods…Art

 

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[dowser]

I stopped and checked a spot today, and have a Meteorite signal, it seems like a single one. The area is hilly and it's not far from the road. It's not a real strong signal, so it's not very big. I'll be going after it Friday, and I hope this ones on top. Dowser

 

[ClonedSIM]

For one thing I'm out looking, more than you would know. And I must be unique, because of what I can do!! But if you read my last post, it was a very polite and nice answer to AF's question. So whose stopping the flow of questions and answers by continually posting the same old, not possible!

I went out for 3 hours today…I only dowsed for about 30 minutes. I did manage to determine that there was no gold or silver in that square mile. So whose stopping the flow of questions and answers by continually posting the same old, not possible! That is the best question that I have saw in a while…Art

That's because you only understand posts by other dowsers.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Man finds 1,800-pound meteorite

http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20070802/NEWS/70802006

 

[ClonedSIM]

Man finds 1,800-pound meteorite

http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20070802/NEWS/70802006

Methinks there's a reporter nearby that didn't do his research....

 

[aarthrj3811]

Looks like he found it....Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Have to wonder if Jeff saw this. He doesn't specify, but it sounds an awful lot like he was using an LRL. Of course, I also noticed he owned his own TH'ing shop.....

A little free advertising??

 

[ClonedSIM]

I stopped and checked a spot today, and have a Meteorite signal, it seems like a single one. The area is hilly and it's not far from the road. It's not a real strong signal, so it's not very big. I'll be going after it Friday, and I hope this ones on top. Dowser

Let us know what you find.

 

[Ascholten]

Why do you folks keep trying to convince the other side of your 'beliefs'.
It's like politics or religion, no matter what you say about your party, your god, your beliefs in dowsing, you simply will NOT convince the other side, as both of your minds are set your decisions are made and you have both pretty much closed off any chances of an alternative view being accepted.

Dowsing works for some, they may or may not be able to prove it to you or anyone, but that doesn't mean it is fake. Show positive proof gravity exists, you can't see it, you can't smell it, can't feel it really... but it's there and everyone pushes the I believe button. hell, prove a god actually exists, sure we can all point to pretty mountains and crap like that and say HE created it, but that's not 'scientific proof' which is what most of you are demanding. Oh i better be careful or the boogey man will get me now for saying that

Some people believe dowsing works, and have perfected some form of 'whatever you want to call it'.... it works for them, and that is all that matters. Just like some believe in a god they never met personally, or seen, but just rely on word of mouth that it exists.... if they are happy with it, just as the dowsers are with their abilities, let em have at it.

If you have to demand that someone 'prove' to you that dowsing works, chances are it will never work for you, it's the wrong mindset. It's as simple as that, take it or leave it, there's really nothing to debate on that concept. Call dowsers fakes, charlatans, whatever, it still won't change the facts that whatever it is, it works for them.

Aaron

 

[ClonedSIM]

Why do you folks keep trying to convince the other side of your 'beliefs'.
It's like politics or religion, no matter what you say about your party, your god, your beliefs in dowsing, you simply will NOT convince the other side, as both of your minds are set your decisions are made and you have both pretty much closed off any chances of an alternative view being accepted.

Dowsing works for some, they may or may not be able to prove it to you or anyone, but that doesn't mean it is fake. Show positive proof gravity exists, you can't see it, you can't smell it, can't feel it really... but it's there and everyone pushes the I believe button. hell, prove a god actually exists, sure we can all point to pretty mountains and crap like that and say HE created it, but that's not 'scientific proof' which is what most of you are demanding. Oh i better be careful or the boogey man will get me now for saying that

Some people believe dowsing works, and have perfected some form of 'whatever you want to call it'.... it works for them, and that is all that matters. Just like some believe in a god they never met personally, or seen, but just rely on word of mouth that it exists.... if they are happy with it, just as the dowsers are with their abilities, let em have at it.

If you have to demand that someone 'prove' to you that dowsing works, chances are it will never work for you, it's the wrong mindset. It's as simple as that, take it or leave it, there's really nothing to debate on that concept. Call dowsers fakes, charlatans, whatever, it still won't change the facts that whatever it is, it works for them.

Aaron

This is one of the things that makes it easy to see how dowing is nothing more that using visual clues, research, common sense and a metal detector to "pinpoint" their treasure. Can you tell me any other activity that someone can only do if they believe it will work?

 

[ClonedSIM]

Dowsing works for some, they may or may not be able to prove it to you or anyone, but that doesn't mean it is fake. Show positive proof gravity exists, you can't see it, you can't smell it, can't feel it really... but it's there and everyone pushes the I believe button. hell, prove a god actually exists, sure we can all point to pretty mountains and crap like that and say HE created it, but that's not 'scientific proof' which is what most of you are demanding. Oh i better be careful or the boogey man will get me now for saying that

Aaron

We're tried to draw this parallel before, but dowsers jumped all over us, saying that dowsing isn't a religion.

The shifting of tectonic plates created the mountains, but try telling a hardcore Christian that, and you'll get an earful.

Science can explain most everything that is going on this planet, and a lot of others as well, but when science can't come up with an explanation then you begin to drift off into a number of realms that most people don't consider themselves associated with, ie. supernatural, religion, dark arts, voodoo, you name it.

Belief in something is fine, but at least admit that it's only a belief and don't try to explain it in scientific terms with it when it's obvious none apply.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Dowsing works for some, they may or may not be able to prove it to you or anyone, but that doesn't mean it is fake. Show positive proof gravity exists, you can't see it, you can't smell it, can't feel it really... but it's there and everyone pushes the I believe button. hell, prove a god actually exists, sure we can all point to pretty mountains and crap like that and say HE created it, but that's not 'scientific proof' which is what most of you are demanding. Oh i better be careful or the boogey man will get me now for saying that

Some people believe dowsing works, and have perfected some form of 'whatever you want to call it'.... it works for them, and that is all that matters. Just like some believe in a god they never met personally, or seen, but just rely on word of mouth that it exists.... if they are happy with it, just as the dowsers are with their abilities, let em have at it.

Very good Aaron……The only reason I am on this forum is to learn how others locate objects.
I don’t have to know all the Scientific, Occult, Para normal, or any thing else about Dowsing. They can say what they want but the man found a large Meteorite and has it in his truck. I think he has a lot more credibility than most of us on this forum….Art

 

[ClonedSIM]

Dowsing works for some, they may or may not be able to prove it to you or anyone, but that doesn't mean it is fake. Show positive proof gravity exists, you can't see it, you can't smell it, can't feel it really... but it's there and everyone pushes the I believe button. hell, prove a god actually exists, sure we can all point to pretty mountains and crap like that and say HE created it, but that's not 'scientific proof' which is what most of you are demanding. Oh i better be careful or the boogey man will get me now for saying that

Some people believe dowsing works, and have perfected some form of 'whatever you want to call it'.... it works for them, and that is all that matters. Just like some believe in a god they never met personally, or seen, but just rely on word of mouth that it exists.... if they are happy with it, just as the dowsers are with their abilities, let em have at it.

Very good Aaron……The only reason I am on this forum is to learn how others locate objects.
I don’t have to know all the Scientific, Occult, Para normal, or any thing else about Dowsing. They can say what they want but the man found a large Meteorite and has it in his truck. I think he has a lot more credibility than most of us on this forum….Art

And you simply enforce my belief that you only understand posts from other dowsers and/or dowsing supporters.

Bob Yocum jumped all over Carl-NC on a different forum a couple of years back and taunted him into a challenge. As soon as Carl-NC told him he would love to let Bob accept his $25,000 challenge using Bob's tools and his test guidelines, Bob left the discussion and never answered Carl's challenge.

 

[aarthrj3811]

Bob Yocum jumped all over Carl-NC on a different forum a couple of years back and taunted him into a challenge. As soon as Carl-NC told him he would love to let Bob accept his $25,000 challenge using Bob's tools and his test guidelines, Bob left the discussion and never answered Carl's challenge.

I reset my computer and took you off the ignore list because I knew you would make a false statement about Bob Yokum. Bob Yokum and Carl agreed to a test. Bob set it up and the day of the test Carl was not there. This test was advertised on T-Net and the results were posted. Carl now claims that he canceled at the last minute because he had not received the signed contract. Why …Bob had agreed that he didn’t want the $25,000. For more information ask Jerry what happened….Art

 

[Ascholten]

As I said before, Im not going to get into a debate with you, neither of us will ever win it, it's a waste of time.

I do wish to leave you with a few comments though.

I have see dowsers find coins 3 foot sometimes almost 4 feet deep. A normal metal detector will not go that far, no matter what stories the manufacturers / owners try to spin about their machine

Science and make believe... well.... there's quantum physics... science, yet most of it, unproven yet, ... black holes, we think they are there, we can pretend to prove they are, but well, no real solid proof yet....

Im not saying it's science, or hocus pocus, or voo doo, or religion. To be honest, I really don't know, it's you who are trying to assign it a black and white label, not I.

I don't know exactly 'how' it works, but do know that I have been successful with it, and know of many others who have been. If you choose to believe or not is entirely up to you. I am not trying to sway your mind. no offense but I really don't care if you believe or not. Your belief in dowsing is not going to affect my abilities or finds one bit..

Aaron

 

[joecoin]

I don't know Bob or Carl, but I have read a bit on the challenge. It is still open.

As for an earlier post regarding gravity, I can run empirical experiment after empirical experiment just by dropping any object(s) over and over again and again anywhere on the face of the earth and I can watch the gravitational field of the earth have an effect on those objects. EVERY TIME!


I went dowsing the other day. I did it in the nude with just one rod. I found some viagara.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Hey all, I'm back from my trip, trying to catch up on the spirited debate.

There are about 6 or 7 different things I would like to analyze, line by line, but as usual, they boil down to these things:

No one's saying it will never work (at least, I'm not). Although I believe it's mostly random chance, subconscious movements by the user, and simple gut feelings about likely spots items will be (around ruins, likely looking tree or corner, etc...) I also accept that wierd stuff (paranormal, supernatural, spooky, whatever you want to call it). That's fine, if you want to dabble into that, and it works, ok. But don't deny that it falls into that classification.

The minute someone says it's naturally explainable as an elevated bodily function, as if you're body were a human metal detector, is when you will get challenged that that is impossible. Just as it is impossible, that ... no matter how much I try to make an analogy of differnt parts of vacuum cleaner, to correspond to different parts of my body, yet I'm not a vacuum cleaner, nor can I replicate the functions of one, no matter how hard I try. So too is a dowser not a metal or diamond, etc... magnet, no matter how hard he tries. It is a simple scientific impossibility. You can do it supernaturally (something outside of nature), but not naturally.

The un-discovered science explanation leaves open holes. At one time, I gave the example of my treasure finder being a pair of pliars, with a marshmellow taped to one's forehead. I was challenged that this is silly, since a marshmellow is not conductive. I replied, "go ahead then, and substitute any conductive object of your choice". Now I retract that, and say the marshmellow WILL enhance your odds at finding treasure. You know why?? Because someday, science WILL come along and show that it has scientific merit. Even though it's not conductive, it's undiscovered science. Can you disprove that? Of course not! That's like saying "proove my invisible dog spot doesn't exist" No matter how much you try to convince me I don't have an invisible dog, I can keep saying "of course you don't see him, he's invisible!" Do you see the circular reasoning of "un-discovered science"? It allows anyone to make the most absurd claims, and no one can challenge that, as it's an argument from silence.

 

[ClonedSIM]

Bob Yocum jumped all over Carl-NC on a different forum a couple of years back and taunted him into a challenge. As soon as Carl-NC told him he would love to let Bob accept his $25,000 challenge using Bob's tools and his test guidelines, Bob left the discussion and never answered Carl's challenge.

I reset my computer and took you off the ignore list because I knew you would make a false statement about Bob Yokum. Bob Yokum and Carl agreed to a test. Bob set it up and the day of the test Carl was not there. This test was advertised on T-Net and the results were posted. Carl now claims that he canceled at the last minute because he had not received the signed contract. Why …Bob had agreed that he didn’t want the $25,000. For more information ask Jerry what happened….Art

Why would you have to reset your computer to take me off ignore? All you have to do is click un-ignore user.

Carl didn't get a signed contract, and Bob said he didn't want the $25,000. Sounds like Bob called off the test before it could take place. As I recall, Bob attempted to do the test anyway, and failed miserably, with or without Carl being present.

 

[ClonedSIM]

I don't know Bob or Carl, but I have read a bit on the challenge. It is still open.

As for an earlier post regarding gravity, I can run empirical experiment after empirical experiment just by dropping any object(s) over and over again and again anywhere on the face of the earth and I can watch the gravitational field of the earth have an effect on those objects. EVERY TIME!


I went dowsing the other day. I did it in the nude with just one rod. I found some viagara.
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[ClonedSIM]

As I said before, Im not going to get into a debate with you, neither of us will ever win it, it's a waste of time.

I do wish to leave you with a few comments though.

I have see dowsers find coins 3 foot sometimes almost 4 feet deep. A normal metal detector will not go that far, no matter what stories the manufacturers / owners try to spin about their machine

Science and make believe... well.... there's quantum physics... science, yet most of it, unproven yet, ... black holes, we think they are there, we can pretend to prove they are, but well, no real solid proof yet....

Im not saying it's science, or hocus pocus, or voo doo, or religion. To be honest, I really don't know, it's you who are trying to assign it a black and white label, not I.

I don't know exactly 'how' it works, but do know that I have been successful with it, and know of many others who have been. If you choose to believe or not is entirely up to you. I am not trying to sway your mind. no offense but I really don't care if you believe or not. Your belief in dowsing is not going to affect my abilities or finds one bit..

Aaron

Again, whether I believe in your dowsing is immaterial. Why should I have to believe in dowsing in order for it to work for me?

It makes no sense at all that I should have to believe that I can dowse before I can do it. If you say to yourself, "There's no way I can draw a line with that pen," that pen will still draw a line in anyone's hands. Even if you don't believe the sun's going to rise tomorrow, it's going to be shining in the sky just like normal.

But somehow if I say that I don't believe in dowsing...POOF...dowsing ceases to be. How can this concept be confusing?

If something requires belief...faith...in order to function, it's just as easily labeled a religion as anything else.