2008 EXPEDITION: YAMASH-I-T-A ( Japanese) TREASURE

Hola Zobex. the main problem that I had with cyanide was keeping it active and keeping the solution mildly alkaline. We had too many cyanicides in our ore. For extraction of the gold in the pregnant solution, I designed a series of continuous, full flow, step tanks (6) , one slightly above the other using activated carbon.. I would use the fluid flow to put in new charge in the lower tank, then by simple valving, I could move each charge up the series until it was discharged from the last tank for treatment.

If I remember correctly, I used 3 # as a standard solution, although once I went to 10# in an experiment.

I was advised that normal skin contact was not advisable, but not necessarily lethal, since the rate of absorption was slow, but if one had a cut or abrasion, it would be greatly speeded up. since it is almost impossible to work around a mill without having some, it was conceded to be a no - no!
I eventually settled on a 70 hr cyanide cycle. This worked out best, according to my Perkins-Elmer atomic absorbtion apparatus.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Thank you Zobex and Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp for posting worthwhile information. Thank you moderator for deleting all the nonsense that is not worthwhile to anybody.
 

Don Jose, yes keeping the cyanide solution happy takes continuous work. Natural earth 'salts' have to be monitored so as to not contaminate or neutralize the soak solution. When in college I started out thinking I wanted to be a chemical engineer. After a few boring years switched to geology. The last of the refinery work was with telluride complex ore's. Now that is not only self toxic but a real **** to work with. At first it was a challenge but after that just a pain in the ass. Good thing we lost our ore supply, best excuse to quit.

ZOBEX


Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:
Hola Zobex. the main problem that I had with cyanide was keeping it active and keeping the solution mildly alkaline. We had too many cyanicides in our ore. For extraction of the gold in the pregnant solution, I designed a series of continuous, full flow, step tanks (6) , one slightly above the other using activated carbon.. I would use the fluid flow to put in new charge in the lower tank, then by simple valving, I could move each charge up the series until it was discharged from the last tank for treatment.

If I remember correctly, I used 3 # as a standard solution, although once I went to 10# in an experiment.

I was advised that normal skin contact was not advisable, but not necessarily lethal, since the rate of absorption was slow, but if one had a cut or abrasion, it would be greatly speeded up. since it is almost impossible to work around a mill without having some, it was conceded to be a no - no!
I eventually settled on a 70 hr cyanide cycle. This worked out best, according to my Perkins-Elmer atomic absorbtion apparatus.

Don Jose de La Mancha
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Hi SWR,

Can you tell me the Title of the "FICTIONAL NOVEL" you are mentioning? I'm interested in reading it.
Oh, please include the name of the writer and where to find this "FICTIONAL NOVEL".

Regards,

Angel
 

swr, youposted --> If you cannot support or validate any of these claims, simply say so and move on.
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Nah , no way, I live in Mexico, We, and the Philippines, operate under the Napolianic rule, so 'you' prove his innocence.

don Jose de La Mancha
 

angel_09 said:
Hi SWR,

Can you tell me the Title of the "FICTIONAL NOVEL" you are mentioning? I'm interested in reading it.
Oh, please include the name of the writer and where to find this "FICTIONAL NOVEL".

Regards,

Angel
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Hi Angel ~ It seems that SWR thinks anything and everything related to treasure is fictional. I'm surprised nobody commented on this recent news: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2937342
 

Hi Guess-Who,

I think so. I'm now thinking if He believes King Solomon mines and all those unrecovered galleon treasures of the Spanish exist, because up to now it hasn't been recovered nor proven.
 

thank you for the much needed information ZOBEX. especially the dangers and precautions inside a vault.
 

Well, it's not about SWR. It's about the fictional novel used as reliable reference and sources HE mentioned.
'Am still waiting for the novel's title and writer's name.

Or it may be one of his nonsensical claims to disprove the existence of unretrieved and undiscovered treasures?
 

Angel ~ The "fictional novel" that SWR claims I copied and pasted from is a note from my author friend, as I stated in my post that he referred to. "A little more on topic is this note from my friend, who I think is much more knowledgeable with respect to the topic than anybody else here." I did not copy and paste anything from any book, but SWR said that I did. I really don't care, my author friend is by far one of the best investigative journalists in the business, and SWR is not.
 

Is SWR telling us that the characters in Seagraves book are fictional? That the Japanese mentioned in the novel does not exist? that there was no world war 2 happened? that there were no Filipinos and Philippines exist? That the year 1942 is a date to come or a date behind the timeline?
That Americans does not also exist?
When do you think SWR was born for him to consider all these things as fictional?
 

SWR said:
GUESS-WHO said:
Angel ~ The "fictional novel" that SWR claims I copied and pasted from is a note from my author friend, as I stated in my post that he referred to. "A little more on topic is this note from my friend, who I think is much more knowledgeable with respect to the topic than anybody else here." I did not copy and paste anything from any book, but SWR said that I did. I really don't care, my author friend is by far one of the best investigative journalists in the business, and SWR is not.
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Nope. SWR is not a journalist or fictional novelist.

SWR simply isn't gullible, and a firm believer of extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

The Seagraves fictional novel is simply that...a novel.

Prove me wrong.
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No one needs to prove you are wrong. It is your claim that Seagraves is a fictional novel.. So you have to prove you are right...

Let us start from the "Second World War"..........
 

SWR ~ Perhaps it would be a good idea to buy Gold Warriors and study the source material before professing to be more of an expert than the authors.
 

This is one of many reviews of Gold Warriors done by leading experts on the topic. (And yes I did copy and paste this from Amazon.com, so no need for the redundant "responses" that I see over and over again in these postings.):


This book is earth-shattering and faith-shaking, a well-documented tale of deceit at the highest levels of the US government. So controversial and potentially explosive are the findings of this book, to wit, that the White House recovered most of the Nazi and Japanese loot and created a secret slush fund for covert political operations world-wide, that the authors go the extra mile and offer, at a nominal price, two CD-ROMS containing 60,000 pages of supporting documentation including the Japanese treasure maps used by the US to recover the gold and other valuables.
Major players include Presidents Truman, Eisenhower, and Nixon, both Allen and John Foster Dulles, Douglas MacArthur, John McCloy, and the famous unconventional warrior Edward Lansdale. What we learn from this book is that those writing about "blowback" (the consequences of unwise US actions) have barely scratched the surface. What we learn is that rather than truly seeking to help the Japanese, Chinese, and other looted nations recover in the aftermath of WWII, the most senior leaders of the US government, no doubt with the best of intentions, actually conspired with Nazi bankers and the Japanese imperial family to create a Black Eagle Trust controlled by a very select hand-picked cabal in Washington.
Originally used to fight communism, the Black Eagle Trust, according to the authors and as thoroughly documented by the book and the two CD-ROMS (which I am happy to have in hand), quickly became a global slush fund used to bribe national leaders and manipulate elections around the world. This fund remains in existence today, making the Swiss Holocaust funds seem like loose-change. According to the authors, major banks are "addicted" to the funds and would face collapse if public investigations resulted in a forced return of this gold and related certificates to the rightful owners.
The authors have produced a magnificent work of both scholarship and investigative journalism. They document the extent of Japanese looting of Korea (beginning in 1895) and China as well as the other countries in the "co-prosperity sphere." They document the manner in which Japan hid most of the gold in the Philippines (some in Indonesia), and were forced to leave it there from 1943 onwards, when US submarine interdiction became too effective to risk shipments homeward.
I found the level of detail in this book to be quite gripping. The ingenious nature of the Japanese burial sites, with caverns below the more obvious tunnels, with sea-water protection, with maps created in reverse--and the in-bred cruelty of the Japanese, thinking nothing of burying all of the US and other national slave labor *and the Japanese engineers* alive as the final stage of protecting the looted treasure, leave one stunned.
The authors document the central role played by Lansdale in recognizing the opportunity and then briefing MacArthur and then President Truman. According to the authors, the architects of the Black Eagle Trust were three advisors to President's Roosevelt's Secretary of War, Henry Stimson: John McCloy (later head of the World Bank), Robert Lovett (later Secretary of Defense), and Robert Anderson (later Secretary of the Treasury). They made the case to Roosevelt, and presumably to Truman after Roosevelt died, that it would be impractical to return the looted gold to the rightful owners, in part because many of the looted countries were now under Soviet control.
The authors, who conducted many interviews in support of the work, including interviews of former CIA deputy director Ray Cline, who they say was involved with Lansdale and the gold in the 1940's and remained involved with the black gold through the 1980's, provide copies of documents showing the redirection of the looted gold to 176 bank accounts in 42 countries. The gold was then used to support the creation of gold bearer certificates that were in turned used to bribe the most senior officials around the world.
The authors tell a shocking tale of how quickly MacArthur chose to collaborate with the very leadership of Japan that declared war on the USA and was responsible for genocide and looting in Asia on a scale rarely achieved by anyone else. Bringing the story up to date, the authors show how prior attempts to investigate the Black Eagle Trust have led to the ruin of individuals such as Norbert Schlei, at one time deputy attorney general to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson. While I have no direct knowledge and cannot be certain myself, I believe the authors have provided a sufficiently compelling case to warrant an international investigation concurrently with a General Accounting Office investigation to be chartered by Congress with unlimited supeona powers specifically directed against classified personalities and archives.
If this story is true, and I personally think that it is, then the US government, in active collusion with the very people the American people fought to defeat in WWII, has been guilty of fraud and depravity on a global scale and against the best interests of both the American people, and the against the rightful owners of the looted gold and other treasures. The authors may well have uncovered the last really big secret of the post-WW II era, and in so doing, opened the way for a restoration of the balance of power among diverse nations, and a sharp delimitation of the abuses that appear to characterize American leadership when it thinks it can rely on secret gold and stolen oil to engage in imperial adventures and domestic improprieties. As an American citizen and voter, and as a person of faith who believes that we must do unto others as we would have them do unto us, I find this book to be shocking, credible, and a basis for popular outrage and demands for truth and reconciliation.
 

Well Guess-who, your reviewer states "IF this story is true" , so right there you know he can't say it's definite, and he also states he is "a person of faith", which means he believes in something just for the sake of believing - despite no actual evidence.


I would say you are similar. You don't just want to believe, you need to believe.
 

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