***1864 "L" Indian Head ***DOUBLE DIE*** My oldest & rarest coin yet

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***1864 "L" Indian Head ***DOUBLE DIE*** My oldest & rarest coin yet

O.K. Folks, I'm having a serious silver slump here in good old NC. Last weeks mid-1800's house looked like a dream, but not one silver coin. Not even a Rosie. :-\
Today I started another house down the road a bit. This one was built in 1843, sits in a wealthy area, and was built by a doctor.
Right off the bat I dug two IH's. One was an 1880, and the other an 1864 (semi key date & my oldest so far).
Again, NO SILVER!!! :'( If these old IH's were still there, I would think the property has never been detected. :icon_scratch:
The dark black soil is soft as butter and you can literally push your digger a foot deep in areas with no problem.
I dug lots of rusty iron, nails, pull tabs, clad quarters, dimes, and nickels.
I was started having second thoughts about my machine, but if I'm digging deep clad and other relics, so I would think if there was silver to be had I would find it.
If my Tesoro found a tiny half dime in a field, then certainly it should be able to find silver in a yard. :dontknow:
My only thoughts are: (1) the silver is too deep, or (2) the cold temps are not allowing the machine to operate properly. ???
WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK??? Any input?
After watching Captn Dan constantly dig up deep silver I'm starting to wonder if I should get me a Minelab SE. :icon_scratch:
This was my first attempt and I still have lots to cover, so we'll see what happens. It's not easy getting permission to detect these old houses, and maybe I get my hopes up too high with visions of sugar plums silver dancing in my head. ;D :wink:
Now that I got my crying done, here's my finds:

*1864 and 1880 IH's.

*Wheats- 1912, 30 , 35 (x2) , 40, 51, 52.

*Railroad nail/spike with a large "G" and "36" on the head. Is that 1936?

*Tootsietoy Jeep & Hotwheels "Sand Drifter" (1974)

*Tiny cast metal toys- Tophat , plane, train.

*Asst'd lantern parts, pocket knife, keys, etc.

Thanks for looking,
MM
 

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Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Absolutly Doug, that is indeed a double stamp with the L, Nice work..
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

DigginThePast said:
Very cool. Certainly looks like a double and according to coinfacts there is a known variety with a double punched date. Haven't located anything as far as value yet.

http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...dian+india+cent&d=TE7fkg-YSJpo&icp=1&.intl=us

Diggin,
Thanks so much. Great link!!!
Don't tell my wife I found this coin, she may want me to sell it and buy her something special for Valentines. :o
-MM-

kdismuke1 said:
SUPER COIN. CONGRATS.

Thanks KD. :thumbsup:

KG6YLL said:
I'm not an expert by any means. But I think you've got it! :icon_sunny:

KG6YLL

Thanks KG. :thumbsup:
I thought I had double vision. :wink:
-MM-
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Hey MM, I think you might have a rare coin there!

Rick
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Definately a ddoouubbllee ddiiee!! ;D ;D Awesome Find :thumbsup:
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

And you didn't want to trade me a silver rosie for it :icon_scratch: ::)
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

DigginThePast said:

Thanks Diggin.
That coin on E-bay is really worn and you can't see too much. Mine is a LOT sharper fotunately.
Hopefully it's worth more than that. :wink:
-MM-
 

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Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

If it can be verified to being made from a true doubled die it should be worth a good bit.

There are a few different ways a coin can show doubling. The common way is if the coin blank is not ejected properly and it is stamped twice. The other rarer way is if the die itself is doubled before it is used to mint coins like in the case of the 1955 cent. I am by no means a coin expert but I think yours appears to be the rarer one. With machine doubling (twice pressed coin blank) I think everything would be doubled, not just the date/text like yours.

Happy Hunting,

Scott (MI)
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

ModernMiner said:
DigginThePast said:

Thanks Diggin.
That coin on E-bay is really worn and you can't see too much. Mine is a LOT sharper fotunately.
Hopefully it's worth more than that. :wink:
-MM-

Yeppers. Yours is a lot nicer. Great find. :thumbsup:
 

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Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

seger98 said:
Absolutly Doug, that is indeed a double stamp with the L, Nice work..

Thanks Chris. It may help fund my Wisconsin trip. We're thinking Aug. 8th-14th right now, but it's not set in stone yet.
-Doug-

~ Nick P. ~ said:
LISH I LOVE YOU ... :-* :-* :-*

Splendoriffic my friend ...

~ Nick ~

Thanks Nick. Not as good as a double die CC token, but close. :-\ Rats!!!
-Lish-

thrillathahunt said:
Hey MM, I think you might have a rare coin there!

Rick

Thanks Rick. That would make my day after finding no silver. ;D
-MM-

72cheyenne said:
Definately a ddoouubbllee ddiiee!! ;D ;D Awesome Find :thumbsup:

Thanks 72.
Trade for your Cheyenne? :tongue3: ;D :wink:
-MM-

seger98 said:
And you didn't want to trade me a silver rosie for it :icon_scratch: ::)

I still have those wheats. :wink:
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

You wouldn't really sell it would you? I'd be interested in it!
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Scott (Mich) said:
If it can be verified to being made from a true doubled die it should be worth a good bit.

There are a few different ways a coin can show doubling. The common way is if the coin blank is not ejected properly and it is stamped twice. The other rarer way is if the die itself is doubled before it is used to mint coins like in the case of the 1955 cent. I am by no means a coin expert but I think yours appears to be the rarer one. With machine doubling (twice pressed coin blank) I think everything would be doubled, not just the date/text like yours.

Happy Hunting,

Scott (MI)

Thanks Scott.
I do see some slight doubling on the edge of the Indian too. :thumbsup:
Great info.
-MM-

seger98 said:
You wouldn't really sell it would you? I'd be interested in it!

This baby would be hard to part with. I think it's my best coin yet by far. :icon_scratch:
What I thought to be a good CW era coin find turned out to be rarer than I thought.
Any idea if this coin would be worth grading and if anyone grades dug coins?
-Doug-
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Wow, Doug! You found an 1864-L where you can see the "L"! That's a feat for a dug coin. :o


And yes your overdate is there--at least the repunched "18." But I don't know whether that variety commands any premium or not.



-Buckles
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

72cheyenne said:

Thanks 72.
I think that's the same site that Diggin posted above, but I don't mind looking at it twice. ;D :wink:
-MM-
BuckleBoy said:
Wow, Doug! You found an 1864-L where you can see the "L"! That's a feat for a dug coin. :o

And yes your overdate is there--at least the repunched "18." But I don't know whether that variety commands any premium or not.

-Buckles

Thanks BB.
It's a great coin in my book. :thumbsup: :wink:
There is actually more double stamping in other areas. I'll try to post some more pictures tomorrow. My wife is booting me off for tonight. :tongue3:
-MM-
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

MM, that is one nice dug coin. Congratulations. I would probably have to get it slabbed even if it is dug.
HH Charlie
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Hi MM according to Vol 1 Cherrypickers Guide you have

FS# 1¢ - 006.7 Indian 1¢ 1864-L URS-11
Breen# 1962
Snow-1
Interest Rating ****

XF-40...$175, MS-60...$300, MS-65RB...$1,700

Dave
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Very cool find. Makes it worth the dry spell don't it? Congrats!!!

john
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Hey MM, that is an Outstanding find. Full Liberty, the "longacre L" and double stamp. That is a Rare find!!! I'd say the right collector would pay you generously for it. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

P.S. Far above the condition of the ebay one and the double stamp appears to be more prominent
 

Re: *** 1864 "L" IH with double die stamping ???*** Calling all coin experts!!!

Doug, a very sincere congrats on the great find. I am glad I gave your post a second look and recognized the signs of the "L" coin. Way to go picking up on the repunched date. I can't quite tell if it's double or triple punched, but either way, fantastic.

The doubling I see on the "A" in America is yet another issue, that is machine doubling caused by worn out dies. This is evident by the "under" "A" being larger than the "A" on top of it. Where if you look at the "18" in the date, they are the same size numbers, just in different locatons on the coin.

DO NOT USE WATER OR A Q-TIP. THIS WILL SCRATCH THE COIN. I suggest you have it authenticated, graded and slabbed by ANACS, they will grade it and slab it, even with environmental damage, where chances are PCGS or NGC will send it back unslabbed due to environmental damage. You can call any of the 3 above and ask for referrences on who can properly conserve/preserve the coin in a manor that will not effect the value, if the coin is valued enough by the enhancement to off set the cost of the conservation. NGC used NCS (Numismatic Conservation Services) to conserve the coins recovered from the SS Republic. http://www.ncscoin.com/gallery/conserved/ss_republic/index.asp
 

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