🥇 BANNER 1833 Slave Tag in Charleston

[DirtStalker]

Went to Charleston to visit my sister this weekend as a late Christmas. Carolina Tom(also known as Coin Kicker) called and said him and Todd Lipe both of the Charlotte Silver Mafia were going down also. Tom asked if I could find us a place to all hunt together on Sunday. I found a place and was there at sunrise on Sunday morning. They wouldn't be at site for a couple hours so I started hunting. 30 minutes later I pulled this Tag out. I called CT/CK and sent him a picture. Come to find out they were an hour away and stopped for gas and hunting an old school. Well I think they made it to the site in record time. I stopped hunting after calling Tom hoping they would find something good. We all drove up to site about the sametime.I finally got to meet Todd. And he is a super guy to hunt with too. I dug a Large Cent and some clad. Tom got a signal and kicked it with his foot but didn't dig it. About 15 minutes later I walked by his kick mark.and got a signal. Up.pops another Large Cent. I tried to explain to Tom unlike up in Charlotte you can't kick the coins out of the ground. We didn't find much else except for a cannonball fragment.But it wasn't from lack of effort. The first pic is like it came out of ground and I'm slowly trying to clean it.



As a side note this piece of history would be lost by the end of summer as construction on some buildings are starting soon

 

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[bearbqd]

Congrats on banner--easily qualifies for it. Awesome find!!

 

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[Tnmountains]

Looks like museum quality and cleaned up well. Congratulations on your tag.

 

[Loco-Digger]

Congrats on the Banner. If that didn't get you a banner, I don't know what would.

 

[DirtStalker]

Looks like museum quality and cleaned up well. Congratulations on your tag.

Thanks TnMt. Yea I've seen Tags bent torn worn hole etc but this thing is about as perfect a Tag as you could dig. Not a bend or tear and is cupped as they say they were. I was extremely fortunate to have saved this from the bulldozers and concrete.

 

[CRUSADER]

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Its an interesting & sad part of our joint Histories & should be saved & not forgotten. But it makes me very uneasy that these objects are sold for prices like $15000. Anyone can profit from this, & I would not be one of them. Seems in very bad taste to profit a second time around. Private collections & Museums are good teaching aids for these, anything else is just hard to swallow. Clearly just my opinion on the subject.

PS. This is directed at the prices they make, to the OP, I say, good save & interesting piece of your local history. Can research pin down the owner (horrible term) & servants names? Ie. do the registers for that no. still exist?

 

[DirtStalker]

Its an interesting & sad part of our joint Histories & should be saved & not forgotten. But it makes me very uneasy that these objects are sold for prices like $15000. Anyone can profit from this, & I would not be one of them. Seems in very bad taste to profit a second time around. Private collections & Museums are good teaching aids for these, anything else is just hard to swallow. Clearly just my opinion on the subject.

PS. This is directed at the prices they make, to the OP, I say, good save & interesting piece of your local history. Can research pin down the owner (horrible term) & servants names? Ie. do the registers for that no. still exist?

Yeah I've seen prices for more rare trades like Huckster going for in excess of $20000. There are several well known black personalities that have extensive collections. While it may have been a time in history many would like to forget I believe items at this must be preserved for the future. It has been asked a few times if records exist so that you could trace back to the past. Many documents were destroyed during the war but some may have survived. If anyone knows feel free to respond. Many Slave Tags are displayed in museums in and around Charleston. My wife went to I believe it was Ft Moultrie Sunday and saw some.

 

[Vino]

What a piece of history Allen,
Congrats on the easiest banner ever
And thanks for the offer to come hunt the site since I was only a half hour away at the time.
I was just way to tired at the time.
But I assure you I would have NOT kicked that LC!!!! Lol
That is 1 of my dream finds!!
I would have started crying if I found that!
Congrats again

 

[DirtStalker]

What a piece of history Allen,
Congrats on the easiest banner ever
And thanks for the offer to come hunt the site since I was only a half hour away at the time.
I was just way to tired at the time.
But I assure you I would have NOT kicked that LC!!!! Lol
That is 1 of my dream finds!!
I would have started crying if I found that!
Congrats again

Yeah well maybe next time. Funny thing is I wasn't the one doing the crying

 

[Carolina Tom]

Yeah well maybe next time. Funny thing is I wasn't the one doing the crying

I was there, I didn't see anyone crying...

I think that I had something in my eye, maybe I missed that part.

 

[DCMatt]

TBD - That is an amazing piece! Congrats!

Check this thread: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/432712-charleston-slave-tag.html

We did a lot of research on the piece in the 2014 thread. As I recall MOST of the documents relating to these tags were destoryed at the end of the Civil War.

As far as "profiting" from the item, to my mind it is no different than any other rare piece of history. Personally, I like to see such relics go to a museum where they can be properly maintained and displayed for all to see. But if you are inclined to sell it and there is a buyer (there is ALWAYS a buyer), I say let it go. Selling it doesn't make you a slaver.

DCMatt

 

[Davers]

Went to Charleston to visit my sister this weekend as a late Christmas. Carolina Tom(also known as Coin Kicker) called and said him and Todd Lipe both of the Charlotte Silver Mafia were going down also. Tom asked if I could find us a place to all hunt together on Sunday. I found a place and was there at sunrise on Sunday morning. They wouldn't be at site for a couple hours so I started hunting. 30 minutes later I pulled this Tag out. I called CT/CK and sent him a picture. Come to find out they were an hour away and stopped for gas and hunting an old school. Well I think they made it to the site in record time. I stopped hunting after calling Tom hoping they would find something good. We all drove up to site about the sametime.I finally got to meet Todd. And he is a super guy to hunt with too. I dug a Large Cent and some clad. Tom got a signal and kicked it with his foot but didn't dig it. About 15 minutes later I walked by his kick mark.and got a signal. Up.pops another Large Cent. I tried to explain to Tom unlike up in Charlotte you can't kick the coins out of the ground. We didn't find much else except for a cannonball fragment.But it wasn't from lack of effort. The first pic is like it came out of ground and I'm slowly trying to clean it.

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As a side note this piece of history would be lost by the end of summer as construction on some buildings are starting soon

Super Find!
Could not ask for better condition than that.
WOW!

 

[luke_00]

Awesome piece of history!
CONGRATS!

 

[Bill D. (VA)]

Doesn't get any better than that. Congrats on an awesome and very historical find.

 

[cntrydncr1]

Incredible find!! congrats

 

[coinman123]

Wow Tyler, Congrats on yet another unimaginably great find. I have wanted to find one for so long.

Congrats! It couldn't have have happened to anyone better

 

[CRUSADER]

TBD - That is an amazing piece! Congrats!

Check this thread: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/432712-charleston-slave-tag.html

We did a lot of research on the piece in the 2014 thread. As I recall MOST of the documents relating to these tags were destoryed at the end of the Civil War.

As far as "profiting" from the item, to my mind it is no different than any other rare piece of history. Personally, I like to see such relics go to a museum where they can be properly maintained and displayed for all to see. But if you are inclined to sell it and there is a buyer (there is ALWAYS a buyer), I say let it go. Selling it doesn't make you a slaver.

DCMatt

I'm bias because I don't profit for any rare piece of History unless 'forced' to by the land-owner (hardly happens) because we can't afford to keep it. You all know that. My point is, it is in bad taste, more so than most history items especially as its still in the modern mind. It's similar to me not being interested in digging WWI or WWII battle sites. It's not something that I even expect 5% of this community to agree to, its just my feeling on it.
I'm not at all surprised that the Black community have taken some of the ownership of this items, that makes perfect sense, if that's what interests them. Doesn't mean I want to make money from it.
They (the tags) should be remembered in the same way you issued metal dog licenses. The number is dehumanizing & should be remembered as such. NO price on that kind of history in my eyes.

 

[Ahab8]

Amazing find buddy. That is just one incredible piece of history. Kinda makes you sick to your stomach to be reminded that human beings were tagged like cattle but they were. We can't change the past, just learn from it. Congrats buddy

 

[CRUSADER]

Yeah I've seen prices for more rare trades like Huckster going for in excess of $20000. There are several well known black personalities that have extensive collections. While it may have been a time in history many would like to forget I believe items at this must be preserved for the future. It has been asked a few times if records exist so that you could trace back to the past. Many documents were destroyed during the war but some may have survived. If anyone knows feel free to respond. Many Slave Tags are displayed in museums in and around Charleston. My wife went to I believe it was Ft Moultrie Sunday and saw some.

In a way the paper records were more important. Those documented real peoples lives who were affected on both sides. Maybe for the 'owners' & their relatives its a good deal, that they don't get remembered. Saving it from destruction is the right thing to do, & posting it here opens it to the world, so congrats on a rare & well preserved piece of History.

I will never shy from my thoughts on this, & why should I. Cheers again.

 

[DirtStalker]

TBD - That is an amazing piece! Congrats!

Check this thread: http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/today-s-finds/432712-charleston-slave-tag.html

We did a lot of research on the piece in the 2014 thread. As I recall MOST of the documents relating to these tags were destoryed at the end of the Civil War.

As far as "profiting" from the item, to my mind it is no different than any other rare piece of history. Personally, I like to see such relics go to a museum where they can be properly maintained and displayed for all to see. But if you are inclined to sell it and there is a buyer (there is ALWAYS a buyer), I say let it go. Selling it doesn't make you a slaver.

DCMatt

Yeah I will check that info. Not planning on selling although I think I've had 4 offers now. I believe views on selling or not selling is a personal choice and probably as controversial as returning or not lost jewelry if possible.

 

[BigWaveDave]

That is a great find! Congratulations on your Banner...