1793 Capped liberty cent

[GKman]

What a great father's day find ...
Found it in a field that was recently turned over to plant crops

 

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[Wildcat1750]

Welcome to TNet and congratulations on making BANNER on your very first thread!

 

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[Iron Patch]

A nice post got turned into a pissing match over who knows whats best for a dirty coin...oh by the way OUTSTANDING find.

That's because too many people post bad advice, and it's not just limited to this post. You don't like the posts, don't read em.

 

[huntsman53]

That's because too many people post bad advice, and it's not just limited to this post. You don't like the posts, don't read em.

That is just your opinion and just that! I have been doing coins for a long time and know many of the big names in the Coin Dealing business. I have made many new Error and Variety discoveries (which is my expertise) some of which I received credit for and some not. Go to most of the Coin Shows where Larry Briggs attends and has tables, ask him if you can sit with him for awhile and watch a true expert at work. He is the foremost renowned expert on Bust and Seated Liberty coins and is the go to guy by almost every big Coin Dealer and Third Party Grading Service at the Coin Shows when it comes to determining a coin's authenticity and/or what Variety it is. I have personally seen him many times recall the Variety from memory without ever having to check his' reference books. Ask Larry what you should or should not be done to the coin and I will bet that it will not be far off from what I recommended!


Frank

 

[lookindown]

That's because too many people post bad advice, and it's not just limited to this post. You don't like the posts, don't read em.

How do you know you don't like a post UNTIL you read it...that just might be the funniest thing Ive ever heard someone say on here...Ive always respected your knowledge on here but its sad that you think everyone elses advice is bad and yours is always good...Im not railroading this guys great find, so Im moving on.

 

[jerseyben]

That is just your opinion and just that! I have been doing coins for a long time and know many of the big names in the Coin Dealing business. I have made many new Error and Variety discoveries (which is my expertise) some of which I received credit for and some not. Go to most of the Coin Shows where Larry Briggs attends and has tables, ask him if you can sit with him for awhile and watch a true expert at work. He is the foremost renowned expert on Bust and Seated Liberty coins and is the go to guy by almost every big Coin Dealer and Third Party Grading Service at the Coin Shows when it comes to determining a coin's authenticity and/or what Variety it is. I have personally seen him many times recall the Variety from memory without ever having to check his' reference books. Ask Larry what you should or should not be done to the coin and I will bet that it will not be far off from what I recommended!


Frank

Not taking away from your credentials but in all seriousness, a lot of people on Tnet do give bad advice!

Just because you are a coin dealer does not automatically qualify you to give advice to others on what to do with their dug coppers.

Your previous statements indicate that in your business you have come across coins that have had their value ruined due to improper cleaning. While that may be true for original problem free coins, it is a whole different ballgame for dug coins, especially coppers.

A dug coin needs to be cleaned, period. There is a right way and a wrong way to clean a dug coin but in the end, the "right way" is not exactly rocket science and most detectorists who have familiarity with dug coppers know the right way to clean their coins.

It is in my opinion (as well as that of many others above) that hiring a third party to "professionally" clean your dug coppers is a waste of time and money.

 

[huntsman53]

Not taking away from your credentials but in all seriousness, a lot of people on Tnet do give bad advice!

Just because you are a coin dealer does not automatically qualify you to give advice to others on what to do with their dug coppers.

Your previous statements indicate that in your business you have come across coins that have had their value ruined due to improper cleaning. While that may be true for original problem free coins, it is a whole different ballgame for dug coins, especially coppers.

A dug coin needs to be cleaned, period. There is a right way and a wrong way to clean a dug coin but in the end, the "right way" is not exactly rocket science and most detectorists who have familiarity with dug coppers know the right way to clean their coins.

It is in my opinion (as well as that of many others above) that hiring a third party to "professionally" clean your dug coppers is a waste of time and money.

Yes, a lot of people on this and other forums do give bad advice as I have read quite a bit of it while lurking and perusing posts on many forums!

Yes, just because I buy, sell and trade coins, does not automatically qualify me to give advice to others on what to do with their dug coppers, nor does it qualify many others that do the same to give advice but yet they do! Wouldn't you agree??!! I try to give the best advice, help and info that I can give based on my many years of collecting, buying, selling, trading and yes, even digging metal detected coins! A person may or may not choose to follow my or others advice, the choice is theirs to make. Don't forget that there are many members and lurkers of these forums that are newbies that are looking for advice, help and information and when I make a post to a Thread with advice, help and information, I am writing to them, not to the seasoned experts or those who think they are experts.

Yes, I have seen thousands of coins which had their' values ruined do to improper cleaning and some that were totally destroyed when it comes to value and collectibility! Just because a coin is a dug coin or a dug Copper, that does not always mean that it is a whole different ballgame for all of these. Some are in better condition and because some are scarce or rare or is of Historic significance, they should be handled and treated differently!

Yes, a dug coin needs to be cleaned, period and with some coins a light bath in soap and water and patting dry with a soft towel is all they need! You are right, cleaning a coin the right way is not rocket science and some (I have no real way to qualify most) detectorists who have familiarity with dug coppers know the right way to clean their coins. However, as I stated above, there are many member and lurkers of these forums that do not know the right way to clean coins.

Yes, there are times when using a Third Party Grading Service's Conservation Division to clean your' coins is a waste of time and money! However, there are times when it is money well spent, especially if the coin or coins in question are very scarce or rare for the Date, very scarce or rare for the Variety for the Date and Series, is of Historic significance and/or when the coin is worth thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars. Besides, by having a coin cleaned, conserved (preserved), certified, graded and holdered in a slab by one of these services, one is actually advertising their' find and the coin itself because these service's employees tend to talk to others in the Coin Collecting Community and especially Collectors about specific coins they receive for services. This gets the word out and may not only help with the sell of the coin, if the finder chooses to sell it but it also garners more interest and more competition for the coin and can help it fetch a much higher price when it is sold via some auction venue. Also, some coins can actually fetch 10% to as much as 50% more at auction due to being certified, graded and slabbed.


Frank

 

[gordonquixote]

Why don't you guys STFU and stop the bickering over who knows who and what.

This post is about the OP's amazing coin find.

 

[huntsman53]

Why don't you guys STFU and stop the bickering over who knows who and what.

This post is about the OP's amazing coin find.

You are right but I wasn't the one that started slinging the mud! In any case, I am done with it and apologize to the O.P. for distracting from his' Thread and amazing find.


Frank

 

[Iron Patch]

How do you know you don't like a post UNTIL you read it...that just might be the funniest thing Ive ever heard someone say on here...Ive always respected your knowledge on here but its sad that you think everyone elses advice is bad and yours is always good...Im not railroading this guys great find, so Im moving on.

Ok, I'll revise to.... Don't read any posts that are more than 1 sentence because it will probably contain more than a pat on the back.

So if I think everyone else gives bad advice it's means that I don't agree with anyone. You do know how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[Rick (Nova Scotia)]

Yes, a lot of people on this and other forums do give bad advice as I have read quite a bit of it while lurking and perusing posts on many forums!

I try to give the best advice, help and info that I can give based on my many years of collecting, buying, selling, trading and yes, even digging metal detected coins!

Also, you never clean a coin with a brush as it will leave fine brush lines on the surfaces of the coin.
Frank

If you are going to give advice to the newbie / lurker or whatever, you shouldn't make statements like a brush is going to scratch a copper, it doesn't lend much to your credibility. Any grade 6 or 7 student would know it is an impossibility.
Have you ever actually dug an old copper ?

 

[huntsman53]

If you are going to give advice to the newbie / lurker or whatever, you shouldn't make statements like a brush is going to scratch a copper, it doesn't lend much to your credibility. Any grade 6 or 7 student would know it is an impossibility.
Have you ever actually dug an old copper ?

It depends upon the brush used and what the bristles are made of! Some won't but some will! However, I did not use the word "scratch". I stated that "a brush will leave fine brush lines on the surfaces of the coin" and most will leave these on a coin which are tell-tale signs that a coin has been cleaned (ask any Coin Expert or Third party Grading Service such as PCGS or NGC and I am sure that they will tell you the same!). And yes, I have dug old Coppers and I have cleaned them!


Frank

P.S. This will be my last post and comments in this Thread so as to not detract from the O.P.'s find any further.

 

[CoilyGirl]

Welcome to TN and congrats on such a great first find!

 

[Iron Patch]

If you are going to give advice to the newbie / lurker or whatever, you shouldn't make statements like a brush is going to scratch a copper, it doesn't lend much to your credibility. Any grade 6 or 7 student would know it is an impossibility.
Have you ever actually dug an old copper ?

I was going to comment on that but realized it's pointless.

 

[hogge]

ALRIGHTIE THEN! Got a couple questions for Frank........1: What would you personally grade this coin at? #2: What do you think the sale price of this coin would be? #3 What do you think NGC would grade this coin at with qualifiers? I can give you the answer to all 3.....But I wanna hear your input. Hogge

 

[Iron Patch]

ALRIGHTIE THEN! Got a couple questions for Frank........1: What would you personally grade this coin at? #2: What do you think the sale price of this coin would be? #3 What do you think NGC would grade this coin at with qualifiers? I can give you the answer to all 3.....But I wanna hear your input. Hogge

Brushed or not brushed?

 

[hogge]

I prefer to use a.....SHAMWOW.

 

[Petrie502]

Very very nice find

 

[stillgottawork]

What a great find and you made the banner......
We got to get together....Mike(Maze Master)

 

[GKman]

Hi Mike you found me I was going to send a picture to you yup I should have a lot of time over the summer to go to detecting...

 

[MUD(S.W.A.T)]

Freshly plowed fields is the best time to find them, great find congratulations !!
Keep @ it and HH !!