1749 & 1753 KGiis as well as my first Flint

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I had a couple hours after the rain yesterday. Went to the old mill site where I've found 18 early coppers and a beautiful real. The signals are long gone and I'm basically just digging out nails trying to find some masked targets. The 1753 was only 3" down. Just covered by iron. The 1749 was maybe 8" down. I also found my first flint which is a cool first for me. Had big plans for some new areas today but it's pouring rain and I have to kayak in. So I'm glad I went out for a quick hunt yesterday
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Group shot of the better coppers from this site
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Now a question for the coin guys. I noticed this farthing from the same site is missing the crossbar on the second A. Is this pretty common?
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Those coppers are in crazy good condition -congratulations
 

Great finds Ahab- Congrats on all the coppers!

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Awesome condition coppers Abe. That farthing appears to have some value according to the link Jamie posted. Congrats!
 

Abe and that Irish horseshoe he was born with does it again! Congrats Abe
 

So glad you got out man. What a great hunt and I know plucking two more coppers from the iron had to be very rewarding. There is for sure some great stuff still masked at that site.

Love the gun flint dude. It definitely appears to be a French flint.

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Great news on that Farthing and wow is it ever rare. Can't wait for your next hunt
 

Great looking early coppers and gun flint! Sweet finds! Congrats!

Hope the inverted A one proves to be rare.
 

Nice job on removing the masking iron to find the hidden goodies! :occasion14:
 

Great condition on those coppers. Perhaps you can pull an early state-issued copper out of that site - then you would really have a killer find if in comparable condition.
 

That's a beautiful little French gun flint. All of the finds are super, congratulations!
 

Keeping in mind those are dug coins the condition is really amazing. Congratulations!
 

JamieD said:
Hi,

Not sure whether this confirms it's a genuine mint error or not but this guy has a couple of examples of your 1749 farthing in his collection of farthing and halfpenny variants.

Farthing Halfpenny errors and omissions George II Farthings

Jamie
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That's a great website, and glad to see this conversation went on after I passed out for the day. The big problem in all this is separating genuine die varieties, which there can be a lot of, and very well done counterfeits. That said, he uses Cooke and BMC numbers which I assume are for genuine coins, and seems like it would be some good material to have. I'll have to check and see if a Cooke book exists.

Abe, he does not quote a reference number for your Farthing so I would still question which category it falls in... but it's well worth looking into even if just for the lesson. If the guy has seen 4 of them, but the majority of people out there are not looking, or do not care, then you can be fairly sure it's nowhere near as rare as being just 4 known. That sale can be misleading too, being a very high grade, and not knowing who was bidding and exactly why. I've seen people battle and pay a lot for items, simply because 2 out of the 20 who were bidding probably had a nutty theory of it being so much better than it actually was.... that stuff does happen.


PS: The most well known American counterfeit experts/collectors don't seem to have much interest in counterfeits that are very genuine looking and I wonder if it's the same for them... not interested in guessing what is die variety and what is counterfeit. Hopefully what happens is over time there's a big list of what's thought to be genuine and the counterfeit collectors keep connecting dies and expand and create additional families, and then they can have a big conference and debate all the coins that fall in the middle, and Abe you can be the guest speaker with your Farthing and we'll pretend it's what started it all. :)
 

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Iron Patch said:
That's a great website, and glad to see this conversation went on after I passed out for the day. The big problem in all this is separating genuine die varieties, which there can be a lot of, and very well done counterfeits. That said, he uses Cooke and BMC numbers which I assume are for genuine coins, and seems like it would be some good material to have. I'll have to check and see if a Cooke book exists.

Abe, he does not quote a reference number for your Farthing so I would still question which category it falls in... but it's well worth looking into even if just for the lesson. If the guy has seen 4 of them, but the majority of people out there are not looking, or do not care, then you can be fairly sure it's nowhere near as rare as being just 4 known. That sale can be misleading too, being a very high grade, and not knowing who was bidding and exactly why. I've seen people battle and pay a lot for items, simply because 2 out of the 20 who were bidding probably had a nutty theory of it being so much better than it actually was.... that stuff does happen.


PS: The most well known American counterfeit experts/collectors don't seem to have much interest in counterfeits that are very genuine looking and I wonder if it's the same for them... not interested in guessing what is die variety and what is counterfeit. Hopefully what happens is over time there's a big list of what's thought to be genuine and the counterfeit collectors keep connecting dies and expand and create additional families, and then they can have a big conference and debate all the coins that fall in the middle, and Abe you can be the guest speaker with your Farthing and we'll pretend it's what started it all. :)
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All very true, & when I attend the conference, I'm voting real on this one, but it does look very possible that this one is a unpublished type. (Which is why the bidders may have got excited)
You are right most would pay little attention to it, I have a collection of nearly every date of copper farthing & it made me go back & check, just in case.:thumbsup:
 

Iron Patch said:
That's a great website, and glad to see this conversation went on after I passed out for the day. The big problem in all this is separating genuine die varieties, which there can be a lot of, and very well done counterfeits. That said, he uses Cooke and BMC numbers which I assume are for genuine coins, and seems like it would be some good material to have. I'll have to check and see if a Cooke book exists.

Abe, he does not quote a reference number for your Farthing so I would still question which category it falls in... but it's well worth looking into even if just for the lesson. If the guy has seen 4 of them, but the majority of people out there are not looking, or do not care, then you can be fairly sure it's nowhere near as rare as being just 4 known. That sale can be misleading too, being a very high grade, and not knowing who was bidding and exactly why. I've seen people battle and pay a lot for items, simply because 2 out of the 20 who were bidding probably had a nutty theory of it being so much better than it actually was.... that stuff does happen.


PS: The most well known American counterfeit experts/collectors don't seem to have much interest in counterfeits that are very genuine looking and I wonder if it's the same for them... not interested in guessing what is die variety and what is counterfeit. Hopefully what happens is over time there's a big list of what's thought to be genuine and the counterfeit collectors keep connecting dies and expand and create additional families, and then they can have a big conference and debate all the coins that fall in the middle, and Abe you can be the guest speaker with your Farthing and we'll pretend it's what started it all. :)
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Lol yes I will speak if I'm reading off the paper you wrote. I have no fantasies about this coin being some crazy rarity. I'm just glad I noticed the crossbar missing and happy that it sparked a conversation. Anytime I learn something from fellow Tnetters I consider it a great day. And as I said before it's nice to have a copper that I don't have to hold upside down under a flashlight while doing a handstand and taking a pic with a $4000 camera at just the right angle to see the detail. One of those rare perfect storms that this site produced several of. Thanks for your thoughts bud
 

CRUSADER said:
All very true, & when I attend the conference, I'm voting real on this one, but it does look very possible that this one is a unpublished type. (Which is why the bidders may have got excited)
You are right most would pay little attention to it, I have a collection of nearly every date of copper farthing & it made me go back & check, just in case.:thumbsup:
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Cru a bit off topic here but how often do you dig farthings? They are very scarce around here and I was curious if it was the same in your experience?
 

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