1715 Spanish fleet wreck FL, ships NOT found

[allen_idaho]

Here is all I know.

Echeverz's Squadron
- Capitana
- Almiranta
- Nuestra Senora de Concepcion
- El Ciervo
- ?
- ?

Ubilla's Flota
- Capitana - Nuestra Senora de la Regla (Cabin Site)
- Almiranta
- Urca de Lima
- Patache
- Frigate (Purchased in Havana)

The known wreck names not categorized are:
- Nuestra Senora de las Nieves
- Nuestra Senora del Rosario
- Nuestra Senora del Carmen
- Santo Cristo de San Roman

But I don't know which flotilla they belonged to. That still leaves 3 wrecks without names.

 

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[ivan salis]

11 ships in total * six in Echeverz;s fleet and 5 in Ubilla's

Echeverz's "gallones de terra firme" (South America) group of 6 vessels

#1 the Capitana -
#2 the Admiranta -
#3 the "Dutch prize vessel" known as the "Olandesa , also called "senor de la popa" --a smallish galara class vessel (also called "San Miguel" as well)
#4 the "French prize vessel" known as "El Ciervo"
#5 the tobacco hauling Nao class vessel --known as the "San Miguel"
#6 the Nao class vessel known as "Nuestra Senora de Concepcion"

now to Ubilla's fleet of 5 vessels "the new spain flota" (mexico )

#1 the Capitana -
#2 the Admiranta
#3 the patache - Nuestra Senora de la "Nieves" --
#4 the Nao class vessel --"Urca de Lima " * (supply boat)
#5 the "Maria Galante" formerly the "mari" a english trading blandra / galara type vessel captured by Echeverz's fleet pataches for illegal trading in south America and later sold to Ubilla in Havana

 

[Overeasy]

Are you saying that there were small vessels that were sailing with the fleet of 1715 that were not counted as ships of the fleet? Such as messenger boats? Might explain the coins at Bonsteel Park

 

[Overeasy]

are you saying that there were smaller vessels among the fleet being used as messenger boats. I am sure thy would have washed ashore but could have easily repaired. Could explain the Bonsteel Park coins.

 

[ivan salis]

over easy think of a "nao" as a battleship and a "patache" as a destroyer--both had small lifeboat type vessels upon them --after the 1715 fleet wrecked it was one of the larger "life boat" type vessels that was repaired and sent to St Augustine for help --another was dispatched to Havana Cuba to give word of what had occurred to the fleet

when they were doing "wreck recovery" work these small lifeboat type vessels were heavily used by the divers so they could get around the wrecks without endangering a big vessel or the divers by the large vessels smashing into the wrecks

the bigger heavier manned and armed nao's served at the front and rear of the fleet as the main treasure vessels (capitina and admiranta ) the lesser nao's and patches were in between the two and passed "messages" from one to the other *