17 Tons of gold in New Mexico

[Peerless67]

Find the paperwork requesting the Feds

library of congress and the freedom of information act

 

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[Arizona Ed]

To all of you that has spent time and money looking and researching
the 17 tons of gold...I wood like to see all the research and all the information put in one package for someone to try find it.
THERE IS MORE THEN ANYONE NEEDS.
it should be shared to all that has spent time and money looking.
at 75 years young i am to dam old to do much looking.
let some of the younger bucks spend there time.....I will be glad to
show some one of the area where we found the airplane and other signs.
I will be in that area in mid september..
I would like to here from Mike (Goulln) to see what he thinks

Azed

 

[Peerless67]

To all of you that has spent time and money looking and researching
the 17 tons of gold...I wood like to see all the research and all the information put in one package for someone to try find it.
THERE IS MORE THEN ANYONE NEEDS.
it should be shared to all that has spent time and money looking.
at 75 years young i am to dam old to do much looking.
let some of the younger bucks spend there time.....I will be glad to
show some one of the area where we found the airplane and other signs.
I will be in that area in mid september..
I would like to here from Mike (Goulln) to see what he thinks

Azed

That would be a great idea azed, but as you know TH's are a funny bunch, seldom do they like to share and so in a case such as this you have many people with many pieces of info, but they are all unprepared to share what they have learned. that is the nature of the beast that is treasure hunting.
I agree with you fully $760,000.000 makes an awful lot of people rich. If you have any info i would like to see it and you are welcome to what ive learned so far.
seems the guys with "the gold bar maps" could do a lot worse than involve people who may be able to figure out the missing pieces, but truthfully i dont believe they exist, but if i was to find a gold bar id be sure as hell not to furnish them with the details of my bar.
as far as a hunt goes I will be out in California in september and if i gleam enough info i may make my way to NM for a little scout, so maybe if theres enough intrest we could organise a get together, after all it will take a few guys to move 17 tons of gold bars

 

[gollum]

To all of you that has spent time and money looking and researching
the 17 tons of gold...I wood like to see all the research and all the information put in one package for someone to try find it.
THERE IS MORE THEN ANYONE NEEDS.
it should be shared to all that has spent time and money looking.
at 75 years young i am to dam old to do much looking.
let some of the younger bucks spend there time.....I will be glad to
show some one of the area where we found the airplane and other signs.
I will be in that area in mid september..
I would like to here from Mike (Goulln) to see what he thinks


Azed

Hey Ed,

I think your idea would be stupendous! There is only one problem..................the people who would be involved.

See, I tried that same line of thinking regarding the Virgen de Guadalupe Mine at Tumacacori. 150,000 cubic feet of mine tailings don't lie. Between all the people who have spent all those years researching that place, a couple of you post here, but most of you just lurk (and you know who you are!) Just like Peerless says, some of those old THers would rather go to their graves than let on everything they know.

EVEN if you could get everybody in agreement, I'll bet dollars to donuts that the folks with REAL information, would only let out enough to get answers they don't have yet. I doubt seriously that you could ever get EVERYBODY who has spent any appreciable time researching ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH ANY TREASURE to completely open up. It's a sad fact, but a true fact!

Joe,

A lot of what can be classed as believable in a story, may depend where you here it from. Take for example the Victorio Peak Story. Read this version of the story first:

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/pao/VictorioPeak/vipt1.htm

That is the government's official story as to what happened regarding the Victorio Peak Treasure Story. When you read that story, did ytou see any annotations? Any documented references? No. What you read (especially regarding Doc Noss) were "stories" about him that weren't sourced or referenced in any way that could be checked for veracity.

Now, read this version of the same story:

http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol18I10/index.htm

As soon as I saw the name of the magazine, I shuddered. SCIENTOLOGY! OMG! I almost didn't read it. I decided that I would read it any way, as there is a marked lack of any REAL stories regarding that treasure. The more I read, the more I realized, that although the owner of the magazine puts me off, that doesn't negate the story. It did contain a lot of the things I look for in an Investigative Story. It has names. It has references. The reporter actually went and lived in the area for (I think it was) nine months while researching it. Talking to the locals who knew the Noss Family, and also getting the stories straight from the horse's mouth (so to speak).

As much as I dislike Scientology, I have to give the story more weight than the Government Version.

SWR,

Just because it hasn't been recovered yet, IN NO WAY means that it doesn't exist. I think, most historians and archaeologists made your same statement to Heinrich Schleimann, when he told them he thought Troy was a real place, and not Greek Fable.

Best-Mike

 

[Oroblanco]

The assayer is required by law to keep copies of the assays on record, I believe they also send their monthly assays to the feds.

HMMM..I was NOT aware of this little tidbit, and if it is correct (I tend to believe it is) that explains a LOT in a totally un-related experience we have had some years ago.

Oroblanco

 

[Springfield]

... http://www.freedommag.org/english/vol18I10/index.htm ...

Best-Mike

Good point with your comparison of this with the 'official version' of this event. Obviously, those interviewed provided some good material, although people hold back the stuff they don't want in the public domain. I've heard some quite interesting things from a couple of these family members (one recently deceased) re Victorio Peak. One of the most remarkable factoids is the report from Leonard Fiege that the blackened gold bars he found covered with inches of dust were fused together with 'desert varnish' to such an extent that they had to be forcibly pried apart with a screwdriver. So what? Think about how long that would take.

 

[Arizona Ed]

To all of you that has spent time and money looking and researching
the 17 tons of gold...I wood like to see all the research and all the information put in one package for someone to try find it.
THERE IS MORE THEN ANYONE NEEDS.
it should be shared to all that has spent time and money looking.
at 75 years young i am to dam old to do much looking.
let some of the younger bucks spend there time.....I will be glad to
show some one of the area where we found the airplane and other signs.
I will be in that area in mid september..
I would like to here from Mike (Goulln) to see what he thinks

Azed

That would be a great idea azed, but as you know TH's are a funny bunch, seldom do they like to share and so in a case such as this you have many people with many pieces of info, but they are all unprepared to share what they have learned. that is the nature of the beast that is treasure hunting.
I agree with you fully $760,000.000 makes an awful lot of people rich. If you have any info i would like to see it and you are welcome to what ive learned so far.
seems the guys with "the gold bar maps" could do a lot worse than involve people who may be able to figure out the missing pieces, but truthfully i dont believe they exist, but if i was to find a gold bar id be sure as hell not to furnish them with the details of my bar.
as far as a hunt goes I will be out in California in september and if i gleam enough info i may make my way to NM for a little scout, so maybe if theres enough intrest we could organise a get together, after all it will take a few guys to move 17 tons of gold bars

Peerless 67...........Send me your e-mail and i will try to send you some
pictures... I think i was born about 50 years to soon when it comes to these
dam computers.... Azed azed@ cableone.net.

 

[Arizona Ed]

I would like to know where this so called Ranch is located where the gold was stored.
As far as i know this is all on the Navajo Reservation.
I understand that at one time that some of this land was settled by the
Mormons and that the U.S Goverment bought then out when they settled the navajo Res. (hear say)
They had put in a orchard and a rock church and alot of the sq. cut rocks were turned into Hogans.
all of this is located in the area where the airplane pic. is

Ed

 

[Peerless67]

I would like to know where this so called Ranch is located where the gold was stored.
As far as i know this is all on the Navajo Reservation.
I understand that at one time that some of this land was settled by the
Mormons and that the U.S Goverment bought then out when they settled the navajo Res. (hear say)
They had put in a orchard and a rock church and alot of the sq. cut rocks were turned into Hogans.
all of this is located in the area where the airplane pic. is

Ed

It shouldnt take long to find that out ed, its somewhere between farmington and shiprock city, working on finding a map of the area from 1933. im sure that will help. I do believe it was on navajo land to because it says that permission was sought from the indians to search on the land for the gold.

 

[BILL96]

I have lived in the four corners area a long time and have made a lot of trips thru farmington and shiprock. That whole country is so wide open, a small plane could land almost anywhere. most of the area is either Navajo or ute if you go a little further north. Without some sort of starting point or reference, the country is so enourmous and flat with a thousand places for that little plane to land and this has always been my problem, I never had any sort of starting point. Even if you did find Bill Elliot did exist and showed up and lived in farmington that is still not telling us anything. I'm sure other people probably have more information than I do but for me this has always been a tough one, even being so well documented.
Bill

 

[BILL96]

Has the actual existance of Leon Trabuco ever been proven? birth or death records ? anything?
Bill

 

[BILL96]

While I have always been fasinated with this story I have never seen one piece of evidence that this ever happened, none of the main characters left any paper trails that I know of , the LDM has more factual documentation than this one. 1933 was not that long ago, if this is true there has got to be some evidence that these people existed but where is it?
Bill

 

[Peerless67]

I will post the names that have been given and what detail there is about them.


Rafeal Borega: investment banker (died 1939 in his office)

Leon Trabuco: wealth miner, rancher, from cihuahua district

Ricardo Artega: rancher from Torreon

Carlos Sepulavada rancher, bull raiser from Coahuila district (died in a car wreck 1940 outside of monterey mexico)

Professor Morado: mexican economical counsel of the univ of mexico

William C Elliott: pilot from salt lake city Utah. enlisted in the US Army air corps 1942 (died in action over germany 1943)

(unknown ranch owner/caretaker NM farmington area)

George Luckey: cattle man los angeles (the informant)

Bruce clews: PR man los angeles area

B.J Klepper : escrow officer from the first national bank in ontario California, (supposed to have been subpoenaed by the grand jury and handed over his files)

Martin Hougan: metal dealer? (fled the country)


Prentiss More: attorney

Angus D McEachen: US justice dept attorney


President Truman: the whitehouse

 

[Peerless67]

While I have always been fasinated with this story I have never seen one piece of evidence that this ever happened, none of the main characters left any paper trails that I know of , the LDM has more factual documentation than this one. 1933 was not that long ago, if this is true there has got to be some evidence that these people existed but where is it?
Bill

thats the thing bill, you to prove it or disprove it, thats what TH'ing is all about. but some pretty straight forward investigating should sort this one out

 

[BILL96]

I have much of the same information,what I would like to see is a single piece of source material on any of these people. Maybe I just havn't dug hard enough. The people who were supposed to be living in L.A. should be easily tracable thru census or public records but as yet I havn't seen any. This is a great story with a lot of great characters I would just like to find some evidence that they did actualty exist.
Bill

 

[Peerless67]

I have much of the same information,what I would like to see is a single piece of source material on any of these people. Maybe I just havn't dug hard enough. The people who were supposed to be living in L.A. should be easily tracable thru census or public records but as yet I havn't seen any. This is a great story with a lot of great characters I would just like to find some evidence that they did actualty exist.
Bill

I hear ya bill, if it helps any i found Truman

 

[BILL96]

Well that's a begining anyway
Bill

 

[Oroblanco]

President Truman: the whitehouse

President WHO? Horseapples, I never heard of any such president, I don't think he ever existed.

 

[cactusjumper]

Oro,

"President WHO? Horseapples, I never heard of any such president, I don't think he ever existed."

I believe he was the guide who took Adolph Ruth into the Superstitions.

Joe

 

[Peerless67]

Oro,

"President WHO? Horseapples, I never heard of any such president, I don't think he ever existed."

I believe he was the guide who took Adolph Ruth into the Superstitions.

Joe

Nope that was bowman