Marmentman
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If your interested in the Druid gold, I started a thread called Druid gold in the San Juan's. that way this thread can stay 17 tons of gold.
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SDC. You forget that because of the Exec order, there was increased vigelance all along the Border. and the plan to convert was quite feasable until then..
And in those days the Border Patrol had enforcement jurisdiction in the entire US, and, had a better sense of Morals, not like today.
Under the circumstances, I too, would look for an uninhbited area in the US..
P.S. the flights would not be from a mexican pueblo, but most likely frrom a ranch, so long distance would not be involved.
Okay folks, how about some re-capping on this Leon Trabuco gold? I get tired of the petty snipping and B.S. on this thread. First off I am a native of New Mexico. I've heard most of the "stories" about lost and hidden gold and put very little stake in them but some fun can be had in researching and listening to stories. I have a working knowledge of aircraft and their capabilities. Places to secretly (unnoticed) land any kind of aircraft capable of carrying #1000 would be vary scarce in 1933 northern New Mexico. I'm sure a lot of people have done some math but here goes: 1000# of gold would be approx .83 cubic ft, not a big volume at all. Now for a few questions. 1. Does anybody have a lat/long for this "cabin?" 2. Has anybody seen the Shrine Rock with their own eyes? 3. Pictures of this rock? 4. Type of aircraft suspected to have flow all these tons of gold? 5. Where and how would Red Moiser have gotten fuel to Conger Mesa? 6. Why would the local helpers not have taken the gold after Red or anybody else left? 7. In 1933 what kind of truck might have been used to carry #1000 of anything over back roads any distance at all? Just a few of the questions that immediately pop into my mind. I'll try to check in here for replies but if you would like to converse directly try me at: [email protected] as I tend to check that almost daily. In the meantime happy searching to all.
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Do you really think that guys smart enough to own 17 tons of gold would squander it in the reckless manner that the story tells it?
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Next - just how informed do you assume these Mexican grandees were, to know all about the details of brand new US laws? How well are YOU informed on Mexican mining laws today, to give a counter- example? I try to keep up on it and certainly do not know all the details, especially new things recently brought into effect.
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SDCFIA,
To understand why they did what they did, when they did it, you have to go a little in depth into Mexican History;
President of Mexico from 1924-1928 was a man named Plutarco Calles. He was a Communist Revolutionary. He began a two year war (1926-1928) against the Catholics. He founded the Partido Nacional Revolucionario (National Revolutionary Party). He began a large redistribution of lands to peasants. After he left office in 1928, he stayed the power behind the presidents. He hand picked a man named Lazaro Cardenas that he had personally mentored to be Governor of Michoacan from 1928 - 1932. Calle hand picked only like minded communistic people like himself for public office. When Cardenas left the office of Governor of Michoacan in 1932, he was again picked to become President. As president he nationalized the oil industry (1938), redistributed land and wealth to the peasants of Mexico.
All you have to do is google "Plutarco Elias Calles" and "Lazaro Cardenas". You will get a good idea of the direction Mexico was heading in the 1920s and 1930s. The mine owners were likely very afraid of The Mining Industry being nationalized and losing everything they owned. Is it REALLY any wonder that they would take all the gold they could, sell it to the US, and leave Mexico's Unfriendly to Private Business Climate.
Mike
Oro, you're trying to rationalize these irrational decisions by assuming that these guys were just uninformed, greedy, and somehow quaintly naive rubes living in some sort of vacuum. The fact that the laws were brand new is no excuse, as EO 6102 (extremely widely-distributed) shows everything you need to know on one page (see below). However privileged these guys were, and however they came to possess such a hoard in the 1930s, the fact is that they owned it (well, if the story is true at all, that is) and apparently were intelligent enough to be able to keep ownership up until the alleged events.
I know nothing about today's Mexican mining laws, but I assure you that if I were to become involved, I would know - especially the downside risks. Who wouldn't? Human nature is a constant. I see no reason that these folks would be so careless. If that was their nature, it's hard to see how they would have maintained possession of that much gold in the first place.
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