YOUR FAVORITE CLUE/EVIDENCE

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Thank you! I mentioned that it was "just a story" a few times my posts, hoping no one would get too wrapped up in the story.

On the other hand, the places, people and history were all "pretty much" something anyone with a little research could verify easily. For someone like you, finding so much supporting history would make the story, somewhat, convincing.

Don't know about you, but digging into history is always rewarding for me, even if it's a wild goose chase. bb, sent me down that kind of road many times. I always learned something new and interesting.

No harm meant.

Take care,

Joe

 

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[BILL96]

One of the best known biographers of Wyatt Earp "Glenn G. Boyer" once admitted that his books were "Historical Fiction".
He was so convinced that he was such an authority on Earp that he could actually invent conversations that he thought his subjects would really be having and still called it biographical. He may have had one of the largest Earp collections anywhere but he still could not resist inventing facts to create the story line the way he wanted.

Bill

 

[cactusjumper]

Bill,

Here's a little write-up on Boyer:

http://home.earthlink.net/~knuthco1/IMWEfiles2/curiousvendettasource.htm

Good example!

Joe

 

[Springfield]

One of the best known biographers of Wyatt Earp "Glenn G. Boyer" once admitted that his books were "Historical Fiction".
He was so convinced that he was such an authority on Earp that he could actually invent conversations that he thought his subjects would really be having and still called it biographical. He may have had one of the largest Earp collections anywhere but he still could not resist inventing facts to create the story line the way he wanted.

Bill

I read a similar 'biography' of Jack Swilling by R. Michael Wilson. An interesting connect-the-dots story, but most of the details had to be fabricated. Sold it at a yard sale.

 

[BILL96]

I think I have that book, I didn't think it was very good.
Bill

 

[Oroblanco]

Joe - I have not found that incident (source) but did notice that A.H. Peeples recalled only eight (8) members in the Peeples-Weaver party, not 32 as listed in the Roberts list. Side thingie but you would probably do well with historical fiction. Also, according to Peeples the only Dutchman in the party was Henry Wickenburg, no mention of any Waltz, Jake or other Dutchman; at least not in the interview I found.

Roy

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

You are correct. There is no document, from the era, that names Jacob Waltz as a member of the
Peeples-Weaver party. What we do have, is a never before seen list provided by........someone.

Hard to know what to believe anymore. That's a feat that would make your momma proud.

Take care,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

Thanks for re-posting that drawing of the Needle, but the one I had in mind was different. I also thought I had the one above on my hard drive, but couldn't find it, either.

The one I'm thinking of, you had asked someone on here if they would post it, and they did. It was a very simple line drawing, with fewer lines than the one you just posted. I think it might have had some handwriting on it, also. It was about a year or so ago, I think.

 

[Oroblanco]

Roy,

You are correct. There is no document, from the era, that names Jacob Waltz as a member of the
Peeples-Weaver party. What we do have, is a never before seen list provided by........someone.

Hard to know what to believe anymore. That's a feat that would make your momma proud.

Take care,

Joe

Joe - it is possible that Waltz was among the estimated 1500 prospectors that followed the Peeples-Weaver party, and there would never be a way to know as no one kept records of that flock. They showed up at La Paz shortly after the discovery of gold there and soon filled the Weaver district. I have not found that incident mentioned earlier, and do not see it in Helen's book so perhaps it was left out. Can't have your Dutchman killed off if you are tying him to certain lists after all.

Roy

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

I think I found that drawing, while looking for something else. It's this one---



Thanks anyway.

 

[Cubfan64]

Joe---

I think I found that drawing, while looking for something else. It's this one---




Thanks anyway.

I don't think I've ever seen that one EE - it looks like it comes at the end of a letter or something - can you share the provenance of that drawing?

 

[EE THr]

Cubfan---

I think this was posted on this forum, as a response to CJ asking for a copy of it. But I don't remember who provided it. I guess it's OK to repost the whole thing, as it was already released into the public at that time (I think it was a year or two ago).

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Hello All,

I have been away for awhile, I hope everyone is doing well.

I decided to browse the sites tonight for the first time in months, and came across this topic. Good one Joe.

My favorite clue is the "Pointing Tree Limb" clue. There are a few different versions, but basically there is supposedly a tree branch that points directly at the mine. At first I discarded this clue because I thought it would be pure "luck" that a branch would point perfectly at the mine location. After finding this Tree, I believe it's a valid clue.

As you can see from the picture, someone cut a "wedge" out of the branch to "make" the branch point in a certain direction. You can see the "Scar" that is left, as well as where some smaller branches were cut off at some time. This branch points up to where I believe the Mine is located. I actually had the "spot" for the mine picked out well before I found this tree. It sucks to admit it, but I walked right by this tree on two seperate trips before I even noticed it......Nice......

I hope you enjoy the photo.

thanks,
Travis

 

[FEMF]

Cubfan---

I think this was posted on this forum, as a response to CJ asking for a copy of it. But I don't remember who provided it. I guess it's OK to repost the whole thing, as it was already released into the public at that time (I think it was a year or two ago).

Thanks!

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Hello,

EE THr's letter got me to thinking about another clue. The "Trick in the Trail", or "Hole in a Rock" you go through.

There are two ways to get out of my location, and you have to go through this "hole" on one of them. There's no way around it. To me it looks very similar to picture #3 on the letter. When you're walking up to it, it also looks similar to picture #2.

In my opinion, this is the "second trail" that Deering used when he left the mine and "marked" the trail. That is the trail I took this picture from, right before I went through the "hole".

Thanks,
Travis

 

[EE THr]

Dirty Dutchman---

I read a story about the trick in the trail, a couple years ago. Your photo is much as I invisioned it to be. Very interesting. You seem to have a lot of stuff that matches up. Good luck with it!

 

[FEMF]

Cubfan---

I think this was posted on this forum, as a response to CJ asking for a copy of it. But I don't remember who provided it. I guess it's OK to repost the whole thing, as it was already released into the public at that time (I think it was a year or two ago).

THANK YOU!

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Hello,

My last trip proved (at least to me anyway) two more clues to be true.

1) "The Mine was a Volcanic Vent"

2) "Waltz described his mine as being high up in an arroyo, and hidden by the contours of the land. From over the top of a low ridge you could see down the farside where there was a small clearing, and open hole, and a mine dump."

The colors and what they represent are as follows:

Red Circle= The first attempt at a tunnel. They got about two feet into the mountain and hit the hard "white stuff".

Blue Circle= The second tunnel, which I believe Waltz is always referring to. It's about 30 feet deep. (And shaped like a "Bell" ironically) This tunnel is also unfinished, due to hitting the "white stuff" again.

Yellow Circle= This is a natural "vent hole". You can follow the brush above it to see which way it goes. It's about 3 feet around.

I believe the opening to the Lost Dutchman is hidden above the Red and Blue circles on the hillside.

You can only see the vent hole when you are on the "farside", or "other side", in more modern terms. Below this vent hole, down in the canyon, is a giant pile of red "tailings", taken out of the unfinished tunnel.

Since there is an "opening", maybe with modern equipment like ropes and harnesses, a person doesnt have to dig afterall......?? Maybe I just have to get a little "Dirty" to find the vein.......? We shall see.....

 

[Cubfan64]

Hello DD - I don't see the colored circles you're talking about, but I'd get out there and check out the hole (with all the safety precautions and backups of course!) when you can. If you never post again, we'll know what you found

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Paul,

I tried it with arrows to see if you can see them better. Same color reference. Let me know if this works better.

And don't worry, I'll be GONE when I'm right......... (Although I may make the Rendezvous to let people guess if i've purchased my ore or not...)

Travis