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Ammonhotep said:
Supposition, which is what Pippin was calling absurd.

No way to know what could have happened.

Oh, wait ... I think I'm off topic.
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Considering the fact I worked in air force intelligence and we had contingencies plans for that very scenario it was more than supposition.

Do some research on Carter doctrine and why he issued it and you will find some things out.


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"More than supposition" about anything in the future--especially 20-30 years in the future--would be called "prophesy."

Air force intelligence, huh? Hmmmm.
 

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military intelligence had a small party of souix sitting in a ravine waiting to be rounded up by custer.
military intelligence had spanish sappers blowing up the maine...
pearl harbor, tonkin gulf...iraqi wmd's
the list is too long...sorry...
 

Considering the fact I got daily NSA reports, work on contingency plans for conventional and nuclear war plans as well as full access to our entire intelligence library and a security clearance of TOP SECRET SIOP ESI I know what I am speaking about....



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Treasure_Hunter said:
Considering the fact I got daily NSA reports, work on contingency plans for conventional and nuclear war plans as well as full access to our entire intelligence library and a security clearance of TOP SECRET SIOP ESI I know what I am speaking about....
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Knowledge should be separated from beliefs to be effective.
 

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Treasure_Hunter said:
Considering the fact I got daily NSA reports, work on contingency plans for conventional and nuclear war plans as well as full access to our entire intelligence library and a security clearance of TOP SECRET SIOP ESI I know what I am speaking about....



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so did Eric Snowden.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
It was knowledge I am speaking of....................
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TH; I'm not trying to one-up you; I respect your service too much for that. It just so happens that:

I have a couple of buddies that had higher clearances, and I'll bet higher ranks in military intelligence, and they don't share your beliefs.

How can you explain that then, except their ignorance or treason?
 

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vor......you need to start reloading your own ammo! Another tip, stock up on reloading supplies now because that is slowly disappearing from the shelves as well. Can't help you with rimfire ammo though. I've been stockpiling 22 rounds for a long time now so I'm all set. I bought a few used 22 rifles without serial numbers and capable of firing 22LR, 22 Long and 22 Short. That gave me a much wider choice when ammo was available. My grandkids have 22's and enough ammo for their plinking years to come. :)
 

Bum Luck said:
TH; I'm not trying to one-up you; I respect your service too much for that. It just so happens that:

I have a couple of buddies that had higher clearances, and I'll bet higher ranks in military intelligence, and they don't share your beliefs.

How can you explain that then, except their ignorance or treason?
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I don't know your buddies job classifications or their security clearances, what were their clearances and job titles.

Have you Google Carter Doctrine and the reasons for it?

"The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on January 23, 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf.

It was a response to the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and was intended to deter the Soviet Union—the United States' Cold War adversary—from seeking hegemony in the Gulf."

" At the time some believed the Soviets were attempting to expand their borders southward in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East. The Soviet Union had long lacked a warm water port, and their movement south seemed to position them for further expansion toward Pakistan in the East, and Iran to the West. American politicians, Republicans and Democrats alike, feared the Soviets were positioning themselves for a takeover of Middle Eastern oil. Others believed that the Soviet Union was afraid Iran's Islamic Revolution and Afghanistan's Islamization would spread to the millions of Muslims in the USSR.

After the invasion, President Jimmy Carter announced what became known as the Carter Doctrine: that the U.S. would not allow any other outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf. He terminated the Soviet Wheat Deal in January 1980, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal. In addition, generous U.S. contributions to the refugee program in Pakistan played a major part in efforts to assist Afghan refugees."



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Treasure_Hunter said:
I don't know your buddies job classifications or their security clearances, what were their clearances and job titles.

Have you Google Carter Doctrine and the reasons for it?

"The Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States Jimmy Carter in his State of the Union Address on January 23, 1980, which stated that the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf.

It was a response to the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, and was intended to deter the Soviet Union—the United States' Cold War adversary—from seeking hegemony in the Gulf."

" At the time some believed the Soviets were attempting to expand their borders southward in order to gain a foothold in the Middle East. The Soviet Union had long lacked a warm water port, and their movement south seemed to position them for further expansion toward Pakistan in the East, and Iran to the West. American politicians, Republicans and Democrats alike, feared the Soviets were positioning themselves for a takeover of Middle Eastern oil. Others believed that the Soviet Union was afraid Iran's Islamic Revolution and Afghanistan's Islamization would spread to the millions of Muslims in the USSR.

After the invasion, President Jimmy Carter announced what became known as the Carter Doctrine: that the U.S. would not allow any other outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf. He terminated the Soviet Wheat Deal in January 1980, which was intended to establish trade with USSR and lessen Cold War tensions. The grain exports had been beneficial to people employed in agriculture, and the Carter embargo marked the beginning of hardship for American farmers. That same year, Carter also made two of the most unpopular decisions of his entire Presidency: prohibiting American athletes from participating in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow, and reinstating registration for the draft for young males. Following the Soviet invasion, the United States supported diplomatic efforts to achieve a Soviet withdrawal. In addition, generous U.S. contributions to the refugee program in Pakistan played a major part in efforts to assist Afghan refugees."
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I'm not at liberty to say, much the same as you're probably not going to. But I don't doubt you.

What's your point about the Carter Doctrine? It's no secret that the Middle East is in our "national interest" to keep secure (and ours). So much so that the world oil currency is the US dollar, although with the 3rd Grade behavior in Congress, maybe not for much longer.
 

Bum Luck said:
I'm not at liberty to say, much the same as you're probably not going to. But I don't doubt you.

What's your point about the Carter Doctrine? It's no secret that the Middle East is in our "national interest" to keep secure (and ours). So much so that the world oil currency is the US dollar, although with the 3rd Grade behavior in Congress, maybe not for much longer.
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Point of Carter Doctrine......This started when Pip and Ammo said it was absurd on my reply that the reason the US were supporting the Afgan rebels in 1979 was the US's fear the Soviets would make a play for the middle east starting with setting up Afgan as a permenent Soviet Satalite country and with eyes towards Iran or Pakisitan giving them warm water ports and a grip on Middle East oil.......
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
Point of Carter Doctrine......This started when Pip and Ammo said it was absurd on my reply that the reason the US were supporting the Afgan rebels in 1979 was the US's fear the Soviets would make a play for the middle east starting with setting up Afgan as a permenent Soviet Satalite country and with eyes towards Iran or Pakisitan giving them warm water ports and a grip on Middle East oil.......
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And your take on it?
 

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packerbacker said:
vor......you need to start reloading your own ammo! Another tip, stock up on reloading supplies now because that is slowly disappearing from the shelves as well. Can't help you with rimfire ammo though. I've been stockpiling 22 rounds for a long time now so I'm all set. I bought a few used 22 rifles without serial numbers and capable of firing 22LR, 22 Long and 22 Short. That gave me a much wider choice when ammo was available. My grandkids have 22's and enough ammo for their plinking years to come. :)
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Nah, I buy my ammo. Too much trouble to reload. I am just wanting a new toy. Just wanna have fun with a DIAS.
I'll leave the politics to others.
 

Still searching for a rdias if you run across one.
 

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