Will the next series of detectors ruin our hobby???

[MuckyBottles]

Muckybottles, here's the wiki definition of that: Riparian water rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This has often been suggested as a way to detect at supposedly off-limits beaches. *IF* the water were navigable waterways, right? So that no matter if the beach were state or federal administering that beach, and no matter if they personally had a "no detecting rule" , then it wouldn't apply to the inter-tidal wet sand zone.

I suppose the singular exception would be shipwreck lease type things (which are only very small select stretches, and probably only in a few spots in FL alone).

But the problem with trying to invoke this, is that some legal beaver on their end might say that .... yes .... the "riparian rights" does indeed allow you or I to walk there. However, the rules of conduct, they might try-to-argue, is still theirs to control. Or for that matter, if it becomes a rule of "international" laws (or federal level, for USA riparian waters), do you *really* want to open up that can of worms, where they might simply try to say then, that ARPA therefore applies ?

Still though, it's an interesting legal concept that I bet would deflect most all busy-bodies. If you printed out the laws for what the definition is, I bet the average ranger or busy-body would have utterly no answer for that, and likely leave you alone. Might work to get you out of a jam, is what I'm saying. As the average person would have no in-depth knowledge of how that applies to something like this. But it seems workable.

Reason why I brought up riparian laws is because us fisherman on the Jersey shore have been fighting this battle going on 20 years with NAMFS and beachfront property owners. A local court decided that since the beach's are public for all to enjoy, denying access would be illegal, that being said an agreement was reached by stating that we had to stay within the high tide mark. This was only a local decision.

 

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[MuckyBottles]

Muckybottles, here's the wiki definition of that: Riparian water rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This has often been suggested as a way to detect at supposedly off-limits beaches. *IF* the water were navigable waterways, right? So that no matter if the beach were state or federal administering that beach, and no matter if they personally had a "no detecting rule" , then it wouldn't apply to the inter-tidal wet sand zone.

I suppose the singular exception would be shipwreck lease type things (which are only very small select stretches, and probably only in a few spots in FL alone).

But the problem with trying to invoke this, is that some legal beaver on their end might say that .... yes .... the "riparian rights" does indeed allow you or I to walk there. However, the rules of conduct, they might try-to-argue, is still theirs to control. Or for that matter, if it becomes a rule of "international" laws (or federal level, for USA riparian waters), do you *really* want to open up that can of worms, where they might simply try to say then, that ARPA therefore applies ?

Still though, it's an interesting legal concept that I bet would deflect most all busy-bodies. If you printed out the laws for what the definition is, I bet the average ranger or busy-body would have utterly no answer for that, and likely leave you alone. Might work to get you out of a jam, is what I'm saying. As the average person would have no in-depth knowledge of how that applies to something like this. But it seems workable.

Reason why I brought up riparian laws is because us fisherman on the Jersey shore have been fighting this battle going on 20 years with NAMFS and beachfront property owners. A local court decided that since the beach's are public for all to enjoy, denying access would be illegal, that being said an agreement was reached by stating that we had to stay within the high tide mark. This was only a local decision.

 

[Silver Searcher]

No worries here about the advancement in detectors, I'm more worried about the country stewardship and the spreading of green waste.

SS

 

[neo]

Is there any national organization of MD ers that want to repeal or change the laws?

 

[BARKER]

Hi MuckyBottles; Thanks for the question. They, the STATE, are trying are trying to Ban metal detecting on all DCR controlled beaches. Which namely includes most of the Public beaches here in MA because most beaches here are abutted, for lack of a better term, by DCR controlled Islands such as Thompsons Island, Deer Island etc.. This is just a plan under disguise so they can ultimately force us to have to buy a Permit which in turn is just a ruse for raising new Revenue. Welcome to TAXACHUSETTS.!!!
Please read the Petition via the link offered in my thread on this matter ok.
To: TOM_IN_CA; thanks for the link on Riparian Water Rights.
NOW: Back to the question at hand. Do you think that FUTURE advancements in metal detectors will lead to ruin our hobby by making it to easy to find treasures thus taking away the thrill of the HUNT and turn this hobby of Treasure HUNTING into akin to Treasure GIVING ?? I await your replies. PEACE:RONB

 

[Red James Cash]

Deer Island etc..

Youre not allowed on deer island anyway.The first concentration camp in the new world.

 

[BARKER]

Hi Red James Cash; I know. They want to extend this Ban to places like Carson Beach, Revere Beach etc. thus making it possible to set up a PERMIT type setting and thereby raising Revenue ok. Believe it or not that "IS" what they are trying to do. That is why we are fighting it. PLEASE refer to my thread on this subject located in the Blue Section of the General Discussion Forum ok. Thanks, PEACE:RONB

 

[BosnMate]

I have been detecting for 45 years now. I've seen every new detector that has been since 1968. We started with the BFO type Detectors, then the TR type detectors, then the TR Disc detectors which have evolved into what we use today.

Ah yes, I started about the same time, with a BFO unit, and I'm really surprised that I'm still metal detecting. Quite frankly the BFO unit sucked. I tried and tried, but most everything I found was on top of the ground. That said, the only reason I found the stuff, mostly wagon train relics on a ranch I worked for in Nevada, was because I was out there with the machine, and I'd have never found the things I did had it not been for that almost useless BFO detector. I think the smallest thing I found was a spoon at a couple of inches. And I chased false signals, never found a coin. I take that back, I found a penny in an aluminum horseshoe good luck charm using the BFO unit. That was about the last time I used it, and I didn't buy another machine for a long time. I did rent one a couple of times, and when I finally sprung for another it was a Whites DI 6000. That was an awesome machine, I still have it, found some good stuff with that one.

 

[CincinnatiKid]

Metal detectors are the same as every new cell phone, tv, stereo, surround sound, computer, etc.Some folks need status by buying the newest and occasionally "best". Sure, I love using/buying new machines. But my best finds have come truely tested detectors.
As a side note, I'm calling Terry Soloman again. Terry, any word on a new Tesoro?
Good luck to all...
Peace

 

[BARKER]

hi Folks; I am hoping you guys might use a bit of imagination here as to what detectors will be like in say 10 or 20 years. I think the advancements in detecting will have reached their pinnacle by that time. Your right CKid in that most of the best treasures I have found have come from battle tested detectors more so than from any Bells and Whistles. I think they will come up with a Battle Tested Detector that will inevitably make Treasure Hunting too easy rendering this great hobby as Treasure Giving instead.
So it is with Imagination at hand that await your hopefully Logical responses ok. Thanks. PEACE:RONB

 

[MuckyBottles]

Is there any national organization of MD ers that want to repeal or change the laws?

Its called voting

 

[MuckyBottles]

hi Folks; I am hoping you guys might use a bit of imagination here as to what detectors will be like in say 10 or 20 years. I think the advancements in detecting will have reached their pinnacle by that time. Your right CKid in that most of the best treasures I have found have come from battle tested detectors more so than from any Bells and Whistles. I think they will come up with a Battle Tested Detector that will inevitably make Treasure Hunting too easy rendering this great hobby as Treasure Giving instead.
So it is with Imagination at hand that await your hopefully Logical responses ok. Thanks. PEACE:RONB

I always say, its not the car its the driver. That being said, people in general are extremely lazy and want instant gratification these days, without putting legwork in such as research. In my opinion, doing the research would drastically increase your success. No matter what machine you use.

 

[DigIron2]

I don't think so.I think even with the very top of the line machines,it still takes allot of effort and passion for the sport/hobby,of course they are probably more deep seeking,with better discrimination making it a little more convenient,but I don't think any machine would be perfect in allot of chatter .Which I will never really know, because I will probably never be able to afford one.Of course that cache that is out there waiting for me begs the differ

 

[MuckyBottles]

I don't think so.I think even with the very top of the line machines,it still takes allot of effort and passion for the sport/hobby,of course they are probably more deep seeking,with better discrimination making it a little more convenient,but I don't think any machine would be perfect in allot of chatter .Which I will never really know, because I will probably never be able to afford one.Of course that cache that is out there waiting for me begs the differ

Many of the avid hunters I know of and hunted with still use the very old machines...

 

[bigscoop]

Nearly every summer day my area beaches are literately packed with beach-goers like sardines in a can. Everyday there are countless objects lost in all that water and sand. I was at the beach for three hours today at low tide, right smack in the trough where a great deal of this stuff is lost day after day, three other hunters were on the beach as well, two of them on the wet sand and one in the water. Aside from a few coins and one silver ring and a couple pieces of junk jewelry most of what's being lost is still out there, despite the using of the most advanced beach and water machines offered today. I think we've seen mostly "detector improvements" but I don't think we've seen a lot of "advancements" on the working end beyond the simple integration for the user. At the end of the stick there simply hasn't been a lot of advancement. "VDI" "Target separation"....none of this is infallible and it all still carries the same limitations as basic tone machines, the rest of it just making it easier and more convenient for the user. So for the most part all you really have are software improvements. Not much else. Same game, pretty much the same tools, just idifferent styles and packages now days.

 

[DigIron2]

Many of the avid hunters I know of and hunted with still use the very old machines...

I know a couple of older guys,that would not trade their old Nautilus for anything,and man they find allot of stuff with them.Guess they have been using them so long they got that ear for them and know what they are doing withum.Just like you said in a recent post.Its not the car in most cases, its the driver.I think any decent "serious"machine,can be a great machine with enough experience with it,old or new.The "biggest" difference is probably the $$$

 

[N.J.THer]

Terry nailed it...research. No matter how good the machines get if the person is not willing to but in the time to research new sites they will not make consistent quality recoveries. They also have to but the time in to learn the machine...usually the more advance the machine the bigger learn curve and I find most people that want the most advance machine as soon as it comes out also want the short cut to the good stuff which does not exist so their top of the line machine makes its way to Ebay in a year. I've had my Whites DFX for 8 years and although I've toyed with the idea of a different machine I will most likely not pull the trigger until the DFX dies. So far only the coil has fallen off from use so I purchased a Super 12 coil that I've been playing with and I love my sniper coil...you want a new machine just get a new coil.

NJ

 

[xr7ator]

I'm thinking it can't be all that easy to dig pennies at 2 feet deep unless your at the beach. How will we be able to dig 3 or 4 feet deep in that "worked out" city park without making a big mess? What if the ground is hard clay? Will we all have personal backhoe's that fold into a cart that is remote/mobile? Or, maybe some kinda lazer plugger that cuts, raises and holds a 3 foot plug in the air while you find your target?? lmao
The deepest coin I have dug was back in the 80's with an optional large coil. With stock coils, my newer machine has better depth than my old but not by much and the stock coil on my new machine is almost double the size of the stock coil on the old.
I just don't see how being able to find deeper targets makes this hobby "too easy". Do you really think that they'll come up with a machine that tells you what is under your coil to unlimited depths?
Lets say we do actually get to where it takes the removal of, say at least 12 inches of dirt, to find.....a penny. When I started, if I had to dig a foot or deeper to find absolutely ANY coin....I would have gave up!
I say go out and get some fresh air and do some swingiin' and forgetaboutit. HH ALL!

 

[MuckyBottles]

You can always get the EXP pro 5000..lol

 

[Keppy]

if your a tesoro user I don't see any thing, new in the future. tesoro runs the oldest technology out there. for the highest price..even bounty hunter gives you more information on a target for less...

Lift you said that all detectors are made by Fisher so that means that Tesoro & Whites are made by the same company….