Who else is getting tired of hearing about the Templars

[Raparee]

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[lokiblossom]

For this to mean anything you would have to show that the Templars had such knowledge (navigation, etc) prior to being taken in by the Knights of Christ.

The Templars were not taken in by the Knights of Christ, the new order replaced the Knights Templar Order after it was abolished by the Pope in March of 1312. The members of the Knights Templar in Portugal became the Order of the Knights of Christ. Check it out, its an interesting story!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

The Templars were not taken in by the Knights of Christ, the new order replaced the Knights Templar Order after it was abolished by the Pope in March of 1312. The members of the Knights Templar in Portugal became the Order of the Knights of Christ. Check it out, its an interesting story!

Cheers, Loki

So the Templars were so dangerous, had gained such damning knowledge regarding Christianity of the time, that a few year after being disbanded because of heresy, the Pope created a brand new order just for them? Europe was so dangerous for the Templars that they had to flee to NS for safety, and yet the supreme spiritual leader of the time created a safe haven for them? You don't see the contradiction there?

 

[Dave Rishar]

C'mon Dave, I'm sure you know the Templars that went to Portugal under the new order of the Knights of Christ founded the famous navigation school there, and that Prince Henry the Navigator was of the Knights of Christ. Also it is well known that the Templars brought The Arab secrets of Navigation to Europe.

Now wait a minute...we've gone back and forth a few times on the need for Templars to get the hell out of Europe, with me arguing that Portugal was a safe place and you saying that it wasn't, and now you're telling me that they did go to Portugal? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

What was that school named?

The Templars brought "The Arab secrets of Navigation" to Europe? Err...maybe? What secrets in particular? Are you talking about the magnetic compass?

I understand that the caravel became a thing during Henry's lifetime. What was the significance of that invention to the Age of Discovery? (I gave you a pretty solid hint there.)

My mentioning of the respect the Norse sailors developed for the Great Lakes was to inform you that the Great Lakes are as serious to sail as the Ocean
and that the Mediterranean deserves the same respect. There is no doubt the Templar sailors had the ability to sail the ocean blue, perhaps not straight across following a latitude (of course as we all know straight across is not the shortest route, right?), but certainly following the well established (after 300 years) Norse routes.

No, I get it. I'm no navigator, but I've spent a few years on the ocean. Even inland seas are no joke. However, in the case of the Templars going to the Holy Land, navigation becomes much simpler when...

A. You know that if you keep heading east, you will get to where you want to be, and

B. If you deviate north or south, you will hit the shore, and following that shore will get you to where you're going, and

C. The Mediterranean is not as safe as a swimming pool, but I'd call it significantly safer, most of the time, than the North Atlantic. Your big threat was pirates, not weather.

Oh, and

D. In ~1200 AD, continental Europeans were not building ships that had a high probability of surviving a transatlantic journey. (The Norse could build one that did the job, but apparently nobody had asked them. Or else they had, looked at the ships that the Norse were using, and said, "F that. We'll stick with what we have, thank you very much.")

 

[lokiblossom]

So the Templars were so dangerous, had gained such damning knowledge regarding Christianity of the time, that a few year after being disbanded because of heresy, the Pope created a brand new order just for them? Europe was so dangerous for the Templars that they had to flee to NS for safety, and yet the supreme spiritual leader of the time created a safe haven for them? You don't see the contradiction there?

If your going to tell the story try to get it right, as i said its an interesting read. A clue; Pope Clement V didn't create a new order for them, Denis I of Portugal did for the members of the Templar Order in Portugal, and he negotiated with Clements successor not Clement in 1319, an entirely new ballgame. In 1307 the French Templars who were escaping had no idea that this would happen and that Portugal would become a safe haven. A few did escape to Portugal and were welcomed. In France they were heavily prosecuted but still 2500 were unaccounted for plus some 18 vessels.
Cheers, Loki

 

[lokiblossom]

Now wait a minute...we've gone back and forth a few times on the need for Templars to get the hell out of Europe, with me arguing that Portugal was a safe place

The Templars brought "The Arab secrets of Navigation" to Europe? Err...maybe? What secrets in particular?

I understand that the caravel became a thing during Henry's lifetime. What was the significance of that invention to the Age of Discovery? (I gave you a pretty solid hint there.)



No, I get it. I'm no navigator, but I've spent a few years on the ocean. Even inland seas are no joke. However, in the case of the Templars going to the Holy Land, navigation becomes much simpler when...

A. You know that if you keep heading east, you will get to where you want to be, and

B. If you deviate north or south, you will hit the shore, and following that shore will get you to where you're going, and

C. The Mediterranean is not as safe as a swimming pool, but I'd call it significantly safer, most of the time, than the North Atlantic. Your big threat was pirates, not weather.

Oh, and

D. In ~1200 AD, continental Europeans were not building ships that had a high probability of surviving a transatlantic journey. (The Norse could build one that did the job, but apparently nobody had asked them. Or else they had, looked at the ships that the Norse were using, and said,

Portugal did become a safe haven (read post preceding this one)and a few did go there, but the new order had been established in 1319 for the members of the Order already there.

One of the major tools to navigation learned by the Templars from the Arabs in the Eastern Mediterranean was the use of latitude finding tools such as the Kamal and Cross Staff!

The Caravel came a little later and does not apply to this part of the story.

A; None of the waypoints crossing the Atlantic would be hard to find for experienced sailors.
Oh, and if you keep heading East you will get to where you want to be.

B; The shores both North and South that you mention were not as close as you seem to indicate.

C; Not as safe as a swimming pool is kind of an understatement is it not. I have never sailed the Mediterranean but I have the Great Lakes (and in the Atlantic) and their bottoms (Great Lakes) are full of ships that thought as you do. Come on to Michigan and I'll take you for a boat ride.

D; We are not in the 1200s, we are in 1307. A few years earlier the Order had purchased some Venetian ships of which they did quite often and when they had others built which were documented by several historians they were of modern (late 13th century) Venetian design with sails for propulsion. During this same period sailing around the Iberian became more popular than hauling cargo across France. This of course meant dealing with Atlantic storms that constantly plagued the western coastline and, if sailing to northern latitudes, crossing the dangerous, Bay of Biscay, not as safe as a swimming pool, eh!

Cheers, Loki

 

[franklin]

I'm not an Amundsen expert, but from what writings of his that I've seen so far, I suspect that he's insane. Perhaps his documentaries will convince me otherwise. I'll take a look at them as time becomes available, but I'll warn you up front that it won't be a priority of mine. Again, his writings (the ones that I've seen) appear to be the work of a madman.



Being both an experienced pilot and a sailor, you would also know that that statement is not perfectly accurate, but it's close enough for government work. More importantly, I'm quite sure that you're aware of the differences between coastal and transatlantic sailing, and I'm not just talking about the weather.

In other words, I'm not convinced that the Templars had the capability, as they'd never actually demonstrated it. Don't take it for granted that they could cross the Atlantic. There's no proof that they had the skills, and I'm not sure that the ships were even up to the task in the first place.

"I'm not an Amundsen expert, but from what writings of his that I've seen so far, I suspect that he's insane. Perhaps his documentaries will convince me otherwise. I'll take a look at them as time becomes available, but I'll warn you up front that it won't be a priority of mine. Again, his writings (the ones that I've seen) appear to be the work of a madman."

Just go into it with an open mind. I loved it so much I would forget when it was time for supper. I liked it better than food. Petter Amundsen is a remarkable man with a very intelligent mind. Everyone for the past 400 years including all scholars and all that tried to prove that Francis Bacon wrote Shakespeare and not Shakespeare himself. All of these educators and I mean all of them never saw what was written right in front of their eyes. The RC did just like the Knight's Templar and the KGC, they all would put it right out in the open in your face and if you did not look very very closely you would never see it.

I have been into this kind of thinking which I call abstract thinking and that may be the wrong name but anyway I have been doing the same thing with the KGC for the past seven years. I solved the mystery of the lost Confederate Gold and much of the KGC Gold by not looking at things like others. It works and I will continue to think that way. I found messages carved on trees that told where there are 58 depositories of Gold and the smallest of these each contain upwards of 30 tons of Gold. I could see all of these things on this tree. A lot of it was in codes but for the most parts it was plain English. They used masterful trickery, they would have one letter that would be at the crossroads of two or three different words. Really smart saved a lot of carving. They misspelled words to shorten how many letters they needed. Their work was the work of Masters of their trade.

They are sworn to secrecy not tell any living soul but when they place it out there like on a tree or in a play or manuscript and you are smart enough to figure it out, then they say you have earned what you have found because of "knowledge" And that is the "key" "knowledge" or "wisdom"

]Petter Amundsen will always be remembered as the man that broke the RC codes in the 400 year old Shakespeare books and plays. If not, I will always hold him in high regard as one of the most intelligent persons of modern times.

 

[Raparee]

If your going to tell the story try to get it right, as i said its an interesting read. A clue; Pope Clement V didn't create a new order for them, Denis I of Portugal did for the members of the Templar Order in Portugal, and he negotiated with Clements successor not Clement in 1319, an entirely new ballgame. In 1307 the French Templars who were escaping had no idea that this would happen and that Portugal would become a safe haven. A few did escape to Portugal and were welcomed. In France they were heavily prosecuted but still 2500 were unaccounted for plus some 18 vessels.
Cheers, Loki

Yes, you're right. Denis I formed the Order, and received a papal blessing just a handful of years following the Templars being disbanded. So we have a safe haven for some former Templars in Portugal, safety for others in the Hospitallers and other orders, safety for the many who were pensioned off ... all done with the blessing of the legal and spiritual authorities of the day. So where is all this persecution that drove the Templars to NS? Yes, a number were arrested and tried, but few (if any) were actually convicted. It doesn't seem as though there was any real need to make this dangerous voyage to the New World.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

I solved the mystery of the lost Confederate Gold and much of the KGC Gold by not looking at things like others. It works and I will continue to think that way. I found messages carved on trees that told where there are 58 depositories of Gold and the smallest of these each contain upwards of 30 tons of Gold.

You solved these mysteries? Wow! Please show us the gold you (or others you guided to the gold) found. Without the gold, nothing was solved....

 

[civil_war22]

I’m literally going to have to unsubscribe to this thread. So many dreamers

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

"Petter Admunson will always be remembered as the man that broke the RC codes in the 400 year old Shakespeare books and plays."

No, he will be remembered by a couple as the man who claimed to have broken a code that only he (well, maybe two folks) believes to exist with no proof of any kind.

The 10 Sephriot (10 ways God described himself (as related by the humans who claim to have heard it right from those who heard it and passed it down) in the Torah - form a "Tree of Life" according to Kabbalahists) is a construction of topics used in the Kabbalah that supposedly reveal the true name of God; and hence give those "in the know" power over God because to know the "true name" of anyone or any thing allows you to control it/them. It's like the Holy Beale Code for those who believe there are secret codes and hidden meaning in the Old Testament. And now apparently Shakespeare hid this hidden secret in his works as well. Uh . . . huh.

 

[lokiblossom]

Yes, you're right. Denis I formed the Order, and received a papal blessing just a handful of years following the Templars being disbanded. So we have a safe haven for some former Templars in Portugal, safety for others in the Hospitallers and other orders, safety for the many who were pensioned off ... all done with the blessing of the legal and spiritual authorities of the day. So where is all this persecution that drove the Templars to NS? Yes, a number were arrested and tried, but few (if any) were actually convicted. It doesn't seem as though there was any real need to make this dangerous voyage to the New World.

Did you miss the part about 1319? In September of !307 King Philip sent out secret orders to arrest all Templars in France. These orders were to be opened on October 12 and the arrests taken place on October 13. The Templars had members everywhere, Philip was even related to the Grand Master. The Templars found out about the impending order at least a month before it was carried out, although many believe they knew it was coming much earlier, which is why de Molay brought 60 Knights with him from Cyprus against the Popes order. The next month (November)the Pope was convinced to send out orders to arrest all Templars in Europe. At the time no Knight or member of the order would consider himself safe. The inner circle took a few of the escaping ships and some important church related artifacts (more on this later), first to Western Scotland (where news of the arrest wouldn't arrive until the next spring (1308) then to North America. In the meantime, back in October of 1307 the arrest took place, all Templars in France that were found were arrested with the leaders and many others facing torture and death.
Some 600 were arrested with over 2500 unaccounted for including the New Grand Master of the order, Gerard de Villers.
A few found safety in Portugal where some years later (1319) when Denis I convinced the New Pope to grand a charter for a new order. In Scotland the remaining Templars simply took up another line of work. In England some were arrested and a few were tortured. I have some numbers for these statements if necessary!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Did you miss the part about 1319? In September of !307 King Philip sent out secret orders to arrest all Templars in France. These orders were to be opened on October 12 and the arrests taken place on October 13. The Templars had members everywhere, Philip was even related to the Grand Master. The Templars found out about the impending order at least a month before it was carried out, although many believe they knew it was coming much earlier, which is why de Molay brought 60 Knights with him from Cyprus against the Popes order. The next month (November)the Pope was convinced to send out orders to arrest all Templars in Europe. At the time no Knight or member of the order would consider himself safe. The inner circle took a few of the escaping ships and some important church related artifacts (more on this later), first to Western Scotland (where news of the arrest wouldn't arrive until the next spring (1308) then to North America. In the meantime, back in October of 1307 the arrest took place, all Templars in France that were found were arrested with the leaders and many others facing torture and death.
Some 600 were arrested with over 2500 unaccounted for including the New Grand Master of the order, Gerard de Villers.
A few found safety in Portugal where some years later (1319) when Denis I convinced the New Pope to grand a charter for a new order. In Scotland the remaining Templars simply took up another line of work. In England some were arrested and a few were tortured. I have some numbers for these statements if necessary!

Cheers, Loki

You really need to check your facts....I've been watching, "Knightfall", and that is not what happened and we know that just like oak island, knightfall is based on proven historical data...

 

[autofull]

im just annoyed with the narrator, maybe, just if and many other phrases are used over and over. dear god find it and show us please.

 

[lokiblossom]

You really need to check your facts....I've been watching, "Knightfall", and that is not what happened and we know that just like oak island, knightfall is based on proven historical data...

What is "knightfall"?

Cheers, L

 

[sasquash]

You really need to check your facts....I've been watching, "Knightfall", and that is not what happened and we know that just like oak island, knightfall is based on proven historical data...

And you can see some footage of Knightfall in the last episode of Oak Island (for free).

 

[sasquash]

What is "knightfall"?

Cheers, L

Mini series of 4 episodes about the fall of the knight templars (on history channel).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knightfall_(TV_series)


And Buried: Knights Templar and the Holy Grail was a good one too

 

[EC.Mason]

Same as this thread.

the BEAUTY OF TREASURENET IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING ..you don't want to ...like opening the ...beale cypher treasure ....to find out that many people have SOLVED the cypher ....so......where IS THE BEALE TREASURE if the cypher was solved ....? AT LEAST THE TEMPLERS were real and has documents that go back for centuries....so the bottom line is... if your sick of a treasure story...JUST DON'T OPEN IT....simple as ...PIE

 

[EC.Mason]

Bless your heart.

It would have been almost impossible for anyone on the run to hide in Europe. The laws were such that anyone who traveled had to have permission from the local governments, even more so then today.
The Templars didn't have to dig up their treasure or artifacts as they had it in plain sight in both of their headquarters, Paris and Cyprus. The Cyprus treasure was brought to La Rochelle in the spring of 1307 as the Pope had ordered the Templars to come to France for a meeting. Although only the Grand Master was to make the trip over 60 knights with horses and their entourage with 150,000 florins of gold and an undisclosed amount of silver and other treasures sailed to La Rochelle on what one historian mentioned were ten vessels. So in 1307 we have those ten ships and however many they used for their very lucrative wine trade with the British Isles already in a port they basically owned through an 1139 document from the French Queen. The arrest order for October of 1307 in France was actually issued a month earlier and would have been easily discovered by the Templars who would also have taken anything they could have carried out of Paris to La Rochelle.

As for religious artifacts, it is a fact that they were given total access to what was assumed to be the old Temple Mount in Jerusalem where they were said to have found several religious items including the Shroud of Turin, and a piece of the True Cross, which they carried into battle with them.
I agree with Dave that they probably never found the Ark of the Covenant as that went to Babylon in 600bc.

The holy Grail is another matter. Spelled in the French it actually meant Royal Blood and if one connects what happened to the Cathars and the 1920s and 30s research of Otto Rahn with what the authors of "Holy Blood Holy Grail" discovered it becomes easy to piece together the truth about the Grail stories. The key is, of course Montsegur. Don't forget the, Holy Blood Holy Grail, people sued Dan Brown, or at least attempted to, and if mistakes are found in their research (which there are) it was done before Al Gore invented the internet.

As the Curse of Oak Island people have said, it is true that thousands of Templars from France alone were unaccounted for, but the most important one of all who became the most wanted man in France, Gerard de Villers, was never heard from again!

So to make a long story short, some Templars did leave Europe with a large amount of treasure, some religious artifacts and the true story of the Holy Grail, arriving in North America during the summer of 1308.

Cheers, Loki

 

[EC.Mason]

LOL easy now. There are some who will create new conspiracy theory based on that comment lol

When I read the Post title I found this funny

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Sorry a treasure hunters observation mind at work

Cheers

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