Which of you actually know the origin of the Beale Inventory?

[freeman]

Who recognises the origin of the Beale 'inventory':


"We have deposited a large quantity of gold, calculated to be 27 to 33 million dollars in gold bars and gold dust. The bars are packed in boxes made of pine (Colorado-red) and cedar. The bars are 2 feet long, 2 inches wide and ½ inch thick. The gold dust will be found in double leather hide sacks. Each sack measures two feet long, a foot and a half wide. They are deposited in a rock chamber surrounded by rocks in a secure manner for protection from destruction. These deposits are different in each site. It is estimated that 27 to 33 million dollars were deposited, estimated by weight and size of each package."

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

Dunno... DO tell us!

 

[Ocean7]

IMO it was all made up by a prankster. No one is going to ever find it because it just does not exist.

 

[Justintime]

"IT" ,is very real, soon...more than just gold. Those that know,know.....goodluck,,,Justintime.

 

[bigscoop]

Ever notice how "IT" is always so popular & large that nobody can find it.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Ever notice how "IT" is always so popular & large that nobody can find it.

It ALSO could be that in FOREIGN translations of our American "classics", SOMETHING get LOST/CHANGED (added) "in translation"; MAY explain "sudden interest" from ppl (from Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, etc)... seen 'em on here.

 

[bigscoop]

Not to turn this thread into religion, but the point being that some of these legends/theories loom so large they would have required the equivalent of several very devoted small nations in manpower just to pull off. Yep, far too easy to keep a secret with that many people involved.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Not to turn this thread into religion, but the point being that some of these legends/theories loom so large they would have required the equivalent of several very devoted small nations in manpower just to pull off. Yep, far too easy to keep a secret with that many people involved.

Eh...?

 

[Justintime]

Indians were used in recovery, and relocation of the caches, probably kill them, most that were at risk of talking, watched close, then killed them to. Then there was the ones who refused the trip, with no solemn obligation to obey, probably the problem, which probably lead to creation of another secret groups, and the creation of BP bringing the key to light was a necessity, to keep them quiet, another reason for abandoning the site,the ones Beale was worried about impersonating his group. Beale was "There" do boy, so reported, and "They" made the call to abandon the site, whom ever "They" may be. "IT" would be safe. Justintime

 

[bigscoop]

Eh...?

Just pointing out the number of people required in order to make some of these huge treasure legends and theories possible. "Manpower" is one of the biggest stumbling blocks, the amount of manpower required simply being way too large to maintain any measure of efficient order or secrecy. When we consider the actual amount of production involved in mining these huge amounts and then the amount of manpower just to manage it and then transport it all, the total manpower numbers become far too staggering to even consider secrecy.

Given the above facts the "only way" anything of this nature could have possibly been pulled off is if that wealth was accumulated over a long period of time in it's pure form, and then, and only then, would it have been even remotely possible for a small group of men to transport that much wealth in secret. And this small group would had to have been "extremely dedicated" to the enterprise assigned, and there still would have to be the managing bodies.

In other words there's a lot of legends and theories out there that weren't and aren't even possible.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Just pointing out the number of people required in order to make some of these huge treasure legends and theories possible. "Manpower" is one of the biggest stumbling blocks, the amount of manpower required simply being way too large to maintain any measure of efficient order or secrecy. When we consider the actual amount of production involved in mining these huge amounts and then the amount of manpower just to manage it and then transport it all, the total manpower numbers become far too staggering to even consider secrecy.

Given the above facts the "only way" anything of this nature could have possibly been pulled off is if that wealth was accumulated over a long period of time in it's pure form, and then, and only then, would it have been even remotely possible for a small group of men to transport that much wealth in secret. And this small group would had to have been "extremely dedicated" to the enterprise assigned, and there still would have to be the managing bodies.

In other words there's a lot of legends and theories out there that weren't and aren't even possible.

True; that is why I like the CSA "theory", as PV indicated...

 

[bigscoop]

True; that is why I like the CSA "theory", as PV indicated...

If the CSA mystery had taken place in the correct era then perhaps, but it didn't, not even close. On top of this the CSA theory is loaded with various obstacles that make it a very unlikely candidate, and yes, I have researched the possibility very well over the years. PV was a "local author" first, meaning that his research and theories were motivated by the potential sale of books and the continued promotion of the legend. Nothing wrong with this other then it allows for a lot of distortions. i.e., nobody wants to read a boring book that lacks any real possible connection. Add to this that PV's research was all focused on the surrounding locality, come hell or high water, sort of speak, this attitude severely limiting the depth of his excellent research and his opinions. And as for the Confederate treasury mystery itself, I have yet to hear one good reason why anyone would need to create a cover story for something that had already been obviously and completely and effectively lost for some twenty-years?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

If the CSA mystery had taken place in the correct era then perhaps, but it didn't, not even close. On top of this the CSA theory is loaded with various obstacles that make it a very unlikely candidate, and yes, I have researched the possibility very well over the years. PV was a "local author" first, meaning that his research and theories were motivated by the potential sale of books and the continued promotion of the legend. Nothing wrong with this other then it allows for a lot of distortions. i.e., nobody wants to read a boring book that lacks any real possible connection. Add to this that PV's research was all focused on the surrounding locality, come hell or high water, sort of speak, this attitude severely limiting the depth of his excellent research and his opinions. And as for the Confederate treasury mystery itself, I have yet to hear one good reason why anyone would need to create a cover story for something that had already been obviously and completely and effectively lost for some twenty-years?

"Richmond Stores" (State of VIRGINIA $$$$$$$$ + VIRGINIA'S part of CSA TREASURY...?); 1865-1885 (20 years). Lynchburg, Va. WAS Capital of State of VIRGINIA for @ 4 days after Richmond, Va. fell (CONFEDERATE WAR). 1863 was when Robert MORRISS gave JB Ward, the SECRET... (1st "deposit" in NOV., 1863); 1865 CONFEDERATE WAR is over in April (2nd & FINAL deposit in April, 1865). Used to rebuild Lynchburg, Va.; Richmond, Va.; VMI in Lexington, Va. Help ex-REBELS start businesses & become WEALTHY... Gen. TT Munford (Lynchburg); Gen. Jubal Early (Lynchburg); Maj. EF Hutter (Lynchburg); Max Guemheimer, Jr. (WEALTHY Biz'man - Lynchburg); Maj FC Hutter worked for Internal Revenue Dept. of Lynchburg, Va. & would have known of "sudden wealth"; also AUTHOR of BEALE PAPERS "COVER STORY"... Confederate Treasure Coverup Info from the RAGLAND family in Lynchburg, VIRGINIA.

 

[bigscoop]

"And as for the Confederate treasury mystery itself, I have yet to hear one good reason why anyone would need to create a cover story for something that had already been obviously and completely and effectively lost for some twenty-years?"

Sorry Reb, but it just doesn't work for me, for many reasons. The most obvious being that if the Confederacy would have even a portion of the amount listed in the Beale Papers they could have effectively remained in a War they desperately wanted to win, and they would have. All of these secret southern wealth rumors and legends simply the result of agitated and aggravated southern pride, nothing more.

 

[L.C. BAKER]

"And as for the Confederate treasury mystery itself, I have yet to hear one good reason why anyone would need to create a cover story for something that had already been obviously and completely and effectively lost for some twenty-years?"

Sorry Reb, but it just doesn't work for me, for many reasons. The most obvious being that if the Confederacy would have even a portion of the amount listed in the Beale Papers they could have effectively remained in a War they desperately wanted to win, and they would have. All of these secret southern wealth rumors and legends simply the result of agitated and aggravated southern pride, nothing more.

It is possible that what ever the C.S.A. had they would have held close until the siege of Atlanta and Dalton's retreat. Their K.G.C. members among the troops would have been trusted with and possibly may have been the men that executed maneuvers to temporarily stash the cash until it could be retrieved. If the person in charge of disposing of the gold was captured and spent the last 7 months of the war in Sandusky Bay as a P.O.W., The K.G.C. would have needed to get that man out of the prison in order for him to retrieve what had been hurriedly stashed. Maybe that could explain the attempt to free the prisoners there.

L.C.

 

[releventchair]

"Richmond Stores" (State of VIRGINIA $$$$$$$$ + VIRGINIA'S part of CSA TREASURY...?); 1865-1885 (20 years). Lynchburg, Va. WAS Capital of State of VIRGINIA for @ 4 days after Richmond, Va. fell (CONFEDERATE WAR). 1863 was when Robert MORRISS gave JB Ward, the SECRET... (1st "deposit" in NOV., 1863); 1865 CONFEDERATE WAR is over in April (2nd & FINAL deposit in April, 1865). Used to rebuild Lynchburg, Va.; Richmond, Va.; VMI in Lexington, Va. Help ex-REBELS start businesses & become WEALTHY... Gen. TT Munford (Lynchburg); Gen. Jubal Early (Lynchburg); Maj. EF Hutter (Lynchburg); Max Guemheimer, Jr. (WEALTHY Biz'man - Lynchburg); Maj FC Hutter worked for Internal Revenue Dept. of Lynchburg, Va. & would have known of "sudden wealth"; also AUTHOR of BEALE PAPERS "COVER STORY"... Confederate Treasure Coverup Info from the RAGLAND family in Lynchburg, VIRGINIA.

Was there after the war any reunion of V.M.I. alumni from both sides of the war,and if so did they work together for the benefit of the institute?VMI Alumni Association, Inc.

 

[bigscoop]

It is possible that what ever the C.S.A. had they would have held close until the siege of Atlanta and Dalton's retreat. Their K.G.C. members among the troops would have been trusted with and possibly may have been the men that executed maneuvers to temporarily stash the cash until it could be retrieved. If the person in charge of disposing of the gold was captured and spent the last 7 months of the war in Sandusky Bay as a P.O.W., The K.G.C. would have needed to get that man out of the prison in order for him to retrieve what had been hurriedly stashed. Maybe that could explain the attempt to free the prisoners there.

L.C.

What money? That's the first issue and the biggest obstacle of all with the CSA theories. For all practical purposes the south was nearly broke, not enough left in the kitty to resemble anything close to a fortune. If they had the kind of wealth so many want to "assume" then the war wouldn't have ended as it did. "Nobody" goes into a war such as the Civil War to eventually hide their huge wealth and give up everything they were fighting for. If the south would of had money they would have kept on fighting even if they had to buy allies. In essence, the south was fighting for its very life, its way of life. As long as there was money there was always hope and they would have kept right on fighting.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

What money? That's the first issue and the biggest obstacle of all with the CSA theories. For all practical purposes the south was nearly broke, not enough left in the kitty to resemble anything close to a fortune. If they had the kind of wealth so many want to "assume" then the war wouldn't have ended as it did. "Nobody" goes into a war such as the Civil War to eventually hide their huge wealth and give up everything they were fighting for. If the south would of had money they would have kept on fighting even if they had to buy allies. In essence, the south was fighting for its very life, its way of life. As long as there was money there was always hope and they would have kept right on fighting.

And they did... as Outlaws & Desperados of the WILD WEST... It was ALL about STATES RIGHTS.

 

[bigscoop]

And they did... as Outlaws & Desperados of the WILD WEST... It was ALL about STATES RIGHTS.

But they had no real wealth, Reb. Not even a hint of such other then mere propaganda, most of that being perpetuated by disgruntled southern extremist who continued to fail in their personal post war battles.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

But they had no real wealth, Reb. Not even a hint of such other then mere propaganda, most of that being perpetuated by disgruntled southern extremist who continued to fail in their personal post war battles.

Define "WEALTH"...