What would you do?

[Crispin]

So, I just got back from a trip to the Pinch-a-Penny to get chlorine for the pool (you northerners will not understand, so just roll with it.) Anyhow, I'm loading up the last gallon of chlorine into the trunk when I notice two scruffy looking guys coming towards me. One is on a crappy bicycle and the other is on foot. The one on the bike says, "Hey" and waves his hand at me. I do my usual, and without giving him a chance to continue say, "I'm sorry, I can't help you." I immediately break eye contact and open the car door. Well, this really irritates him. By the time I close the door he is within two feet of the car, his friend is now standing behind the car. (Light pole in front.) He starts yelling, "I don't need nothing from you, I don't need nothing from you." I turn the car on and glance over. He reaches into his jacket pocket...and pulls out a wad of dollar bills. Still yelling at me, he starts smacking them against the window. I throw the car in neutral and hit the accelerator. His friend jumps out from behind the car like a scared rabbit. I shift into reverse, pull out, and am gone. The whole event could not have lasted more then 10 seconds. It was one of those pulse from 60 to 180 in 0.3 seconds things (flight or fight.)

As I am driving away, I start thinking, "Man, I really need to buy a gun." Now, I don't own a gun, because guns kill people and I don't want to kill people. I have a samurai sword in the house but I obviously don't bring that in public. Speaking to the responsible gun owners out there, is there any point in this story that you would have pulled your gun out?

Thanks,

Crispin

 

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[releventchair]

Not without a threat to life that must include the means and ability to carry out. so no,i see no cause but was not there. Sounds like scruffy felt insulted.
Hey is hi to many now a days. Had you "brandished" a weapon with out just cause you could become the aggressor in eyes of law.
A cane and practice could replace sword in auto ,a poke to windpipe settling enthusiasm,unless someone pulls a gun first.
You find the right handgun course that can provide a "loaner"during range time and you,ll study laws and morality of lethal force with out having to commit to ownership. being legal before deciding on acquisition a time saving option should you decide one is needed.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

You only pull a gun when you feel your life is threatened because when you pull it you better be prepared to use it......... If you have a license to carry you could have open your jacket or shirt and showed them you were packing though or pulled it out of the glove box so they could see it....99.9% of the time that will end it immediately.................. An armed man can protect himself if needed, a disarmed citizen is a victim...

Since you did not have a pistol, you could have called 911 though and waited for the police to arrive, they would have been there in 10-15 mins....Just tell them can you please stand there and wait till the police arrive.......

Glad it turned out well for you, but I want you to think of something, what if your wife and new born son had been with you, what if you could not have pulled out.....Just food for thought my friend.....

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Please keep the thread on topic...

 

[arnofarrell]

I wonder what the guys wanted?

 

[onfire]

I read the story as this. You have bought the last jug of chlorine these two guy's are the local windshield cleaners on the corner. They just want to buy it from you. The person in the car is paranoid of anyone who doesn't wear a 3 piece suit. He has bad dreams of bicycles, He wishes he carried a gun to end this situation.

 

[0121stockpicker]

That's a good real life story. For our carriers of guns for protection do you think someone is going to come up to you waving a gun from 50 yards away so you can assess the situation and get your gun out? Won't most situation come about like this one where there is no obvious clear and present danger. And boom all if a sudden someone is in your face. I know many of you have those Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson "make my day punk dreams" but thats not reality. Just like the ex seal that got shot - comes out if no where from friend and foe alike. Usually no time to think or react.

 

[worldtalker]

Ever consider ozone for you pool? A lot safer than that chlorine! Maybe you ought not get a pistol,sounds like you get unnerved to quick. GodBless Chris

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Crispin, this is why you have a license to carry, your personal protection is never more than an arms length away..... Takes 2 seconds to pull a concealed weapon if you need one to protect your self or your family, takes 10-15 mins at a mininum to get a policeman there.... I am serious, I would do the paperwork so you have the right to carry a pistol, then decide if you want one.... Approx $142 in the State of Florida.......Don't wait till after you or your family is attacked to consider it....

Supreme Court has already ruled police are not obligated to protect citizens, their responsibility is to invesitgate and solve crimes, it is your responsibility to protect yourself and especially your family, they rely on you for that protection...........

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Ever consider ozone for you pool? A lot safer than that chlorine! Maybe you ought not get a pistol,sounds like you get unnerved to quick. GodBless Chris

AGREE!

 

[releventchair]

So picker,should the guy behind vehicle be recording plate number and decide to not call law for crispin trying to kill him with his vehicle but instead use it to identify it again or worse visit him at home, will there be time to think when they are seen again? In your face is not a threat to your life in its self.
Go ahead punk not part of practice or mandatory training here,but thanks for acknowledging hollywood perversion and its effect on you.

 

[worldtalker]

So picker,should the guy behind vehicle be recording plate number and decide to not call law for crispin trying to kill him with his vehicle but instead use it to identify it again or worse visit him at home, will there be time to think when they are seen again? In your face is not a threat to your life in its self.
Go ahead punk not part of practice or mandatory training here,but thanks for acknowledging hollywood perversion and its effect on you.

I'll just call you 'rocker',much easier than revelentchair. I stated in another post about "Hollywood movies". They have had such a physiological effect on people some are not able to distinguish real from not real

 

[jeff of pa]

So, I just got back from a trip to the Pinch-a-Penny to get chlorine for the pool (you northerners will not understand, so just roll with it.) Anyhow, I'm loading up the last gallon of chlorine into the trunk when I notice two scruffy looking guys coming towards me. One is on a crappy bicycle and the other is on foot. The one on the bike says, "Hey" and waves his hand at me. I do my usual, and without giving him a chance to continue say, "I'm sorry, I can't help you." I immediately break eye contact and open the car door. Well, this really irritates him. By the time I close the door he is within two feet of the car, his friend is now standing behind the car. (Light pole in front.) He starts yelling, "I don't need nothing from you, I don't need nothing from you." I turn the car on and glance over. He reaches into his jacket pocket...and pulls out a wad of dollar bills. Still yelling at me, he starts smacking them against the window. I throw the car in neutral and hit the accelerator.

Thanks,

Crispin

was he yelling Hey did you drop These Bills back There ?

Sorry but what were you afraid of ? The Bicycle or someone wanting to talk to you ?

 

[G.I.B.]

I'm a believer in CCW. My personal favorite is a Ruger LCP .380. Can wear it with shorts, and it's made in AMERICA by AMERICANS by golly!

But, unless you are prepared to use it, you will loose it. You pull it out on someone and your not ready to pull the trigger, it's very possible that it will be taken away from you and used against you. So, think long and hard about your ability to pull the trigger.

Having said that, if you are unsure, I suggest either a taser, or pepper spray. You can wear the taser, but understand that it's a contact weapon. The pepper spray is useful from 5-10' away.

The difference between the pepper spray and a bullet... you can wash off the pepper spray if you are wrong.

The taser is contact. You have to be physically able to use it against an adversary and clothing can be an issue.

I have a nice fat can of pepper spray at the front door. If I, or my wife, answers the door and has a problem there, a simple sidestep and it's in my hand.

From reading your posts Crispin, I'd recommend the pepper spray. You can get a little one for the key ring, velcro one on the dash under the steering column, and put one by each entry/exit to your home, and one next to the bed. It's nice assurance and always in easy reach.

It's something you can use without violating any moral principals you may have against something as violent as a firearm.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Some people will advocate you be a victim, I say be responsible for you and your family's own safety....You only need 2 seconds to pull a concealed weapon if ever needed, it takes police on average little over 10 mins to reply to a 9-1-1 call, an alful lot can happen in those 10 + minutes

I would not have pulled a piece in the sitution you described unless it had escalated, but I would have revealed I was carrying protection....In the state of Florida inside your car is the same as inside your home....

For your own information Crispin.....

Florida Statute 776.013 

Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if: (a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if: (a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

(5) As used in this section, the term: (a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine

 

[Peyton Manning]

At home I have a can of left over bear spray by my bed. I figure if it stops bears it stops criminals, or the wife if she gets too frisky!

 

[Peyton Manning]

In public I just carry around my mean look, that always works

 

[Gold Maven]

In Ohio I can carry a weapon in my vehicle, without any permit, as long as it is in a case and unloaded.

I always do, not as handy as loaded and on your person, but better that nothing.

 

[worldtalker]

In Ohio I can carry a weapon in my vehicle, without any permit, as long as it is in a case and unloaded.

I always do, not as handy as loaded and on your person, but better that nothing.

I sure hope you never have to load quick!

 

[bill from lachine]

Crispin,

You did the right thing if you felt threatened.....better to high tail it out of there armed or not.

I took marshal arts and confrontation was the absolute last option to be used....in some ways those that carry are at a disadvantage....the hesitation that a responsible person would use would give the bad guys an edge.

They usually don't have the morals to mull it over so they'd just react.

Regards + HH

Bill