what spaniards?

[MesaBuddy]

Pipin ,
Florence , oh yeah the whole area is going nuts (well was till this mess hit)
Goldfield is a joke , original mine buildings ? , tell em to put down the pipe
I get lots of those "Deer staring into the headlights" looks everyday , even going down the freeway , kinda scary
Here is one from yer old home town , above it a bit

Some folks around here do nothing but talk , they're to busy making themselves look good , instead of going out and lookin for good lookin stuffs

 

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[Old Dog]

I have figured out one thing some time back...

If all the monuments and signs were Spanish,
We wouldn't argue nearly as much.

The Spanish used a lot of natural things as camouflage for some of the strangest homebaked symbolism,
much of which was put there by God.
In other cases much of what we find was used by a civilization that in all cases has slipped through the cracks.
We can argue about it, or we can work as friends to sort out who these folks were.

I see too many things not of Spanish origin to think it all Spanish.
But there always seems to be some kind of influence by the Spanish very close to it all.
This leads me to believe that they (the Spanish) knew something and were very inclined to seek it out.
What I have yet to figure out is what were they seeking...and how did they know about it ??

Thom

 

[MesaBuddy]

I have figured out one thing some time back...

If all the monuments and signs were Spanish,
We wouldn't argue nearly as much.

The Spanish used a lot of natural things as camouflage for some of the strangest homebaked symbolism,
much of which was put there by God.
In other cases much of what we find was used by a civilization that in all cases has slipped through the cracks.
We can argue about it, or we can work as friends to sort out who these folks were.

I see too many things not of Spanish origin to think it all Spanish.
But there always seems to be some kind of influence by the Spanish very close to it all.
This leads me to believe that they (the Spanish) knew something and were very inclined to seek it out.
What I have yet to figure out is what were they seeking...and how did they know about it ??

Thom

Hi Thom ,
Me thinks they had access to some ancient info
aufearlessly ,
MB
Church of the here and now , chapter 4 verse 8 ,
Never try to teach a pig how to sing , it tests your patience and it annoys the pig

 

[Old Dog]

Hi Thom ,
Me thinks they had access to some ancient info
aufearlessly ,
MB
Church of the here and now , chapter 4 verse 8 ,
Never try to teach a pig how to sing , it tests your patience and it annoys the pig

I must agree,
There is however little if any documented evidence that shows this.
The only documented word that we have that goes back as far as these signs and monuments is our Bible.
For some reason people discard it as a non issue.
I think the old testament will reveal much more than we realise.
What do you think old friend?

Thom

Church of the here and now , chapter 5 verse 1 ,
A man with a wooden leg named Smith ... generally never named the other leg.

 

[MesaBuddy]

OD wrote : There is however little if any documented evidence that shows this.
Seems the winds of change are blowing Thom ! , things are starting to surface
C of HN , chapter 1 verse2 , Walking a dog with no legs tends to be a drag , a woman whom has lost a leg in an accident tends to go by the name of Eileen

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

nice photo MB...interesting things up high in those rocks.

i did not begin this thread as a condemnation or negative towards treasure signs...the spanish didn't go out in the mountains of the southwest often, and when they did, they traveled in huge party's. they could have moved rocks, carved secret meanings...

there have been people who did carve rocks in monumental scale...long before the spanish arrived. academics still stress their heads over why chaco canyon was built...what was that north road used for? this road has stairs carved into the rock...it also has the road run directly into cliffs that have no passage...then continues on it's straight edge path until it ends in the middle of nowhere, with no ruins or other evidence of occupation? major public labor involved for a complex that was only/if occupied for 75 years.
suggest to an anthropologist that mesoamerica and the hopewell adena complex are related...'well, you are not working on tenure donald, you can believe that...' anyone who has even glanced at the artwork of both complex will ask the same question....but no evidence equals no comment from academia...

i miss those rocks mb...

 

[MesaBuddy]

Pipin wrote : i did not begin this thread as a condemnation or negative towards treasure signs...the spanish didn't go out in the mountains of the southwest often, and when they did, they traveled in huge party's. they could have moved rocks, carved secret meanings...

I know you didn't , any body that has been at this awhile starts figuring these things have been there way before the Spinach came
I do know that the Spinach had a hankering to alter stuffs all ready there
Chaco canyon is an enigma , I really like the area
There are some steps carved into the side of a cliff face behind White Oaks , NM , same deal , lead you to a dead end , or is it

 

[kanabite]

There are some steps carved into the side of a cliff face behind White Oaks , NM , same deal , lead you to a dead end , or is it



hi mesa , i am going to go out on a limb here , and say this much . i am familiar with an area that is similar to what you have described .and based upon the little tiny bit about this stuff that i did manage to figure out over the years , one better start looking with eyes wide open when confronted with such a thing . throw the books away and think like the folks that were there ....

rangler , please do not put the ball in my court , this is not about me . this is about coming to a realization that the possible candidates for authors of the sites , is a big list . it would make much more sense to ask those who know . those who have figured things out and even those that have moved into the rank and file of treasure finders. these forums are much more effective when people finally say OK . "we don't KNOW every thing " but "we are open to possibilities" . ask of those who have advanced . you will find that even the finders will admit they only know some of the answers . funny you should bring up the Rog , even he will tell you that the stuff you mentioned about his research is just one or two of the species , involved . there is not {IMHO} one generic , blanket answer, for the creators of such things ... there is too much time having passed in human history , to many unknowns or unaccepted truths . and usually way to much testosterone involved in these message boards to get very far , before the whole conversation turns into a three ring fiasco . now i only have 40 something post here , so i must be a green horn , and no one is bound to have to listen to any thing such a young inexperienced hunter as myself has to say . like i said ask them . also my spellchecker is not working to day so this post is apt to be a train wreck... LOL .. please carry on but stop fighting with Mesa , it is silly . besides that he apologized for the meltdown, that you have brought up once again , it takes a pretty big man to do that . it also takes a big man to let stuff like that go and move on. i like the edit function , i was able to fix the spelling

 

[Buck]

Well Guy's Here is my 2-bits I have been roaming AZ for about 15-18 years now.This is what I think about (Spanish's markers)it has been 300-400 years since the first Spanish arrived and found gold & labor.from that time there has been quite a few people of all races looking for the big payoff. and I am sure that they used quite markers trimmed to their own ideas and ways.All that I am sure of is that when I track down the markers. there is allways claimed. But I think that the first markers were Indian. I am open for more Ideas Nuff said Buck

 

[Leones Corazon]

Mr. Paws....

I was down in cave creek in july for my friends wedding and i saw something similiar to the north as one turns east in cave creek....might still have the pix around somewhere....

Spanish....i highly doubt it....

DW

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

i would be interested in seeing the picture leon
thanks for the response.

 

[Leones Corazon]

Mr. Paws...i believe your a mutal friend of MB's...
Drop me an email and i'll send the pics. It is best
seen and or captured just before the eastward curve
in New River. I was alot more east...past the Satisfied
Frog and then North on a road to get those shots so
its not as stand outish as it is before the curve.

DW

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

allow me to bump this back...

 

[Leones Corazon]

Ok...Mr. Paws....get the pics i emailed to you a few days ago i think?

DW

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

no leon i did not...let me go check the spam filter...

ok, i received the mail, but the pictures did not come through?

 

[Leones Corazon]

I'll grab a shower and head out to my shop and try that again mi amigo.

DW

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

thanks leon...i am going out to wander around the trees...be back later..

 

[Leones Corazon]

I was going to do the same today but failed to get my arse outa the rack in time. Lol.

DW

 

[pippinwhitepaws]

well, the snow drove me back into the house.
man...will this winter ever end?
more wind, more snow...

 

[Leones Corazon]

I made it out for a few hours hike...got nasty but cleared up.

DW