What is it?

[tlc336]

Does anybody know what this is?

 

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[pepperj]

Can't enlarge photos plus they're a bit blurry

 

[DigToChina]

Suggest the What is It forum for this too. Better visibility for getting it solved.

 

[creskol]

a broken suspender clip

 

[Coinstar magnet]

Does anybody know what this is?
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Curious as to where you found this... difficult to see... thanks for sharing.

 

[plehbah2]

It is a suspender component as creskol said. When they are embossed with text, they usually say something like "patented ends" , so I think suspender ends is probably more accurate terminology than suspender clip, but it isn't worth fighting a civil war over.

These were attached to the end of the suspender, and usually had an integral hook which held a little metal ring which attached to a hook or little prosser button which was attached to the waist of the trousers.

 

[creskol]

Here is what I am guessing yours looked like..or something similar.

 

[tlc336]

Curious as to where you found this... difficult to see... thanks for sharing.

Curious as to where you found this... difficult to see... thanks for sharing.

It was found at the site of an old boarding house/doctor's office late 1800's early 1900s and mid-1900s, near the Ocala National Forest. Sorry, it's hard to see. It has a bird and a butterfly and a branch. No patented markings though.

 

[Coinstar magnet]

It was found at the site of an old boarding house/doctor's office late 1800's early 1900s and mid-1900s, near the Ocala National Forest. Sorry, it's hard to see. It has a bird and a butterfly and a branch. No patented markings though.

Sounds like you're on a great site...my phone takes terrible photos...I have to use a magnifying glass to get better detail...
Look forward to seeing your future recoveries!

 

[ARC]

It is a suspender component as creskol said. When they are embossed with text, they usually say something like "patented ends" , so I think suspender ends is probably more accurate terminology than suspender clip, but it isn't worth fighting a civil war over.

These were attached to the end of the suspender, and usually had an integral hook which held a little metal ring which attached to a hook or little prosser button which was attached to the waist of the trousers.

Just to clarify...
Firstly....
It would be "Patent Pend"... your are referring to... which would only be marked this if the patent is pending approval.(and at sole discretion and many times untrue statement by manufacturers)
Which was used and marked on 75% of everything ever produced. (pre 70's mostly)
And is never "patented +*anything*" - other than a date.
And just for further info... Patent Pend marking means absolutely nothing "legally"... and would protect the potential patent pursuer from nothing and was and still is NOT recognized then or now by the patent office.

Second... it is not an "end"... it is a clip... and THE correct terminology.

Thirdly... If you would like to help with solving users posted "what is its" please try and base your "matter of facts" type responses on fact... and not opinion.
Opinions are welcomed as well and always... but should be stated in that way as to not confuse those posting their items.

JFYI...
TreasureNet is home to some of the best experts online... and one of the best websites in the World for such.. so keep this is mind when posting opinion VS factual information's.

Lastly... Welcome to TreasureNet.

 

[DigToChina]

Just to clarify...
Firstly....
It would be "Patent Pend"... your are referring to... which would only be marked this if the patent is pending approval.(and at sole discretion and many times untrue statement by manufacturers)
Which was used and marked on 75% of everything ever produced. (pre 70's mostly)
And is never "patented +*anything*" - other than a date.
And just for further info... Patent Pend marking means absolutely nothing "legally"... and would protect the potential patent pursuer from nothing and was and still is NOT recognized then or now by the patent office.

Second... it is not an "end"... it is a clip... and THE correct terminology.

Thirdly... If you would like to help with solving users posted "what is its" please try and base your "matter of facts" type responses on fact... and not opinion.
Opinions are welcomed as well and always... but should be stated in that way as to not confuse those posting their items.

JFYI...
TreasureNet is home to some of the best experts online... and one of the best websites in the World for such.. so keep this is mind when posting opinion VS factual information's.

Lastly... Welcome to TreasureNet.

Geez ARC,
I’d be crusty too if I woke up at 4:45. We’re on a forum and whether anybody thinks they are an expert or not, this being the internet, anything put here is opinion and should be taken as such. Stated or not.

 

[Red-Coat]

And just for further info... Patent Pend marking means absolutely nothing "legally"... and would protect the potential patent pursuer from nothing and was and still is NOT recognized then or now by the patent office.

Sorry, but this is completely untrue.

In the US you can only use the term “Patent Pending” if you have actually submitted an application and paid the appropriate fee. Unless you have done so, you are committing fraud on the Patent Office and could be fined up to $500 per instance (and each item or advert for the item could be treated as a separate instance).

Ref: 35 U.S. Code 292(a) which states:
"Whoever marks upon, or affixes to, or uses in advertising in connection with any article, the words 'patent applied for,' 'patent pending,' or any word importing that an application for patent has been made, when no application for patent has been made, or if made, is not pending, for the purpose of deceiving the public — Shall be fined not more than $500 for every such offense. Only the United States may sue for the penalty authorized by this subsection."

Although there is no guarantee that a patent application will be granted, the term “Patent Pending” protects you from infringement during the (sometimes lengthy) waiting period before publication (if the patent is granted). Since the Patent Office keeps the details of the application confidential during this period, it’s risky for someone to steal any aspect of your invention since you can sue for infringement damages accruing from 18 months after the date of the application, not just from the date of the patent being granted. Also, if the infringement is judged to be wilful, the damages can be tripled.

Things might have been a little different during the 1800s (particularly with respect to enforcement, although the same principles applied), but that’s the situation today.

 

[ARC]

Sorry, but this is completely untrue.

In the US you can only use the term “Patent Pending” if you have actually submitted an application and paid the appropriate fee. Unless you have done so, you are committing fraud on the Patent Office and could be fined up to $500 per instance (and each item or advert for the item could be treated as a separate instance).

Ref: 35 U.S. Code 292(a) which states:
"Whoever marks upon, or affixes to, or uses in advertising in connection with any article, the words 'patent applied for,' 'patent pending,' or any word importing that an application for patent has been made, when no application for patent has been made, or if made, is not pending, for the purpose of deceiving the public — Shall be fined not more than $500 for every such offense. Only the United States may sue for the penalty authorized by this subsection."

Although there is no guarantee that a patent application will be granted, the term “Patent Pending” protects you from infringement during the (sometimes lengthy) waiting period before publication (if the patent is granted). Since the Patent Office keeps the details of the application confidential during this period, it’s risky for someone to steal any aspect of your invention since you can sue for infringement damages accruing from 18 months after the date of the application, not just from the date of the patent being granted. Also, if the infringement is judged to be wilful, the damages can be tripled.

Things might have been a little different during the 1800s (particularly with respect to enforcement, although the same principles applied), but that’s the situation today.

They did it many times anyway.
And sorry to you... and i dont know what website you are floating on... but "Patent Pending" means NOTHING.
AND... I quote FROM the horses mouth... SO... According to the USPTO the phrase "patent pending" carries no legal effect."

 

[ARC]

The only things a "patent pending" mark has ever done in the past and present is... "impress and influence licensees, consumers, and investors. It adds credibility to your invention because you believe it's worth patenting."

 

[Red-Coat]

They did it many times anyway.
And sorry to you... and i dont know what website you are floating on... but "Patent Pending" means NOTHING.
AND... I quote FROM the horses mouth... SO... According to the USPTO the phrase "patent pending" carries no legal effect."

The only things a "patent pending" mark has ever done in the past and present is... "impress and influence licensees, consumers, and investors. It adds credibility to your invention because you believe it's worth patenting."

Still wrong. You may be quoting from the horse's mouth, but have completely misunderstood what USPTO means by the statement that "Patent Pending carries no legal effect". What that means is that it carries no legal effect in itself (and I believe you have intentionally omitted those crucial words in bold to try and justify your original incorrect statements). The very act of formally applying for a patent puts down a marker of an official nature on an established date which is admissible in court in the event of a lawsuit for infringement. The effect is that, in the event of a patent ultimately being granted, the patentee can sue for infringement damages. Including a retrospective claim for damages prior to the patent actually being granted. Exactly as I said above.

In addition, and I gave you the legislative reference, it is an offence of fraud to use the words "Patent Pending" without having first made an application to USPTO and paid the fee. The fines can be quite punitive for high volume products at up to $500 per item placed on the market. If you sold 1,000 units of a product with such fraudulent marking you could be looking at a fine up to half a million dollars. So, you're wrong again there.

Note that, although I'm not a lawyer, I do have experience in this area. I worked for a number of years as the Legal Services Manager for a US-owned corporation with a partner team of three lawyers, one of whom specialised in Patent Law. We filed numerous patents in America and globally, as well as making infringement challenges from time to time.

 

[ARC]

Still wrong. You may be quoting from the horse's mouth, but have completely misunderstood what USPTO means by the statement that "Patent Pending carries no legal effect". What that means is that it carries no legal effect in itself (and I believe you have intentionally omitted those crucial words in bold to try and justify your original incorrect statements). The very act of formally applying for a patent puts down a marker of an official nature on an established date which is admissible in court in the event of a lawsuit for infringement. The effect is that, in the event of a patent ultimately being granted, the patentee can sue for infringement damages. Including a retrospective claim for damages prior to the patent actually being granted. Exactly as I said above.

Still wrong. You may be quoting from the horse's mouth, but have completely misunderstood what USPTO means by the statement that "Patent Pending carries no legal effect". What that means is that it carries no legal effect in itself (and I believe you have intentionally omitted those crucial words in bold to try and justify your original incorrect statements). The very act of formally applying for a patent puts down a marker of an official nature on an established date which is admissible in court in the event of a lawsuit for infringement. The effect is that, in the event of a patent ultimately being granted, the patentee can sue for infringement damages. Including a retrospective claim for damages prior to the patent actually being granted. Exactly as I said above.

In addition, and I gave you the legislative reference, it is an offence of fraud to use the words "Patent Pending" without having first made an application to USPTO and paid the fee. The fines can be quite punitive for high volume products at up to $500 per item placed on the market. If you sold 1,000 units of a product with such fraudulent marking you could be looking at a fine up to half a million dollars. So, you're wrong again there.

Note that, although I'm not a lawyer, I do have experience in this area. I worked for a number of years as the Legal Services Manager for a US-owned corporation with a partner team of three lawyers, one of whom specialised in Patent Law. We filed numerous patents in America and globally, as well as making infringement challenges from time to time.

In addition, and I gave you the legislative reference, it is an offence of fraud to use the words "Patent Pending" without having first made an application to USPTO and paid the fee. The fines can be quite punitive for high volume products at up to $500 per item placed on the market. If you sold 1,000 units of a product with such fraudulent marking you could be looking at a fine up to half a million dollars. So, you're wrong again there.

Note that, although I'm not a lawyer, I do have experience in this area. I worked for a number of years as the Legal Services Manager for a US-owned corporation with a partner team of three lawyers, one of whom specialised in Patent Law. We filed numerous patents in America and globally, as well as making infringement challenges from time to time.

Well then.
Are you mixing British Law into this ?

 

[ARC]

PS... the "bold" was copy pasted. heh

So...

 

[ARC]

PSS... this must be a newer thing... for as far as i knew... it meant nothing.

I know when i applied for multiple patents some many moons ago... I was informed of what i have stated.

Now... i know NOW they.... after referencing USTPO data... and i quote... "
A major advantage of a provisional application is that applicants are allowed to use the term “patent pending” in conjunction with the invention (including marketing and packaging) during the 1-year period to alert the public that an application has been filed with the USPTO and as a warning to potential infringers.

If, during the 1-year period, the applicant decides that they do not want to pursue the patent process any further, there is nothing more to do. The provisional patent application will automatically be abandoned at the one year mark, but the term “patent pending” can no longer be used."

 

[Red-Coat]

Well then.
Are you mixing British Law into this ?

No. I clearly said I was working for a US-owned corporation (headquartered in New Jersey) and that the team I managed had filed patent applications in the US. i also clearly stated that the legislative reference I gave was for the law in the US.

 

[ARC]

Oh and back to this... heh

Patent Pending means nothing more than notification a patent application has been filed.
Period.
You have no recourse of anything unless patent has been GRANTED.

From MY patent attorneys mouth.