What is it?

[tlc336]

Does anybody know what this is?

 

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[Red-Coat]

Oh and back to this... heh

Patent Pending means nothing more than notification a patent application has been filed.
Period.
You have no recourse of anything unless patent has been GRANTED.

From MY patent attorneys mouth.

An I'm not disagreeing with that as it stands, except that it's not the full story and at odds with your original sweeping assertions that anyone can use the statement and it doesn't really mean anything. I repeat that it's an offence of fraud to use the statement without having made the application and paid the fee; and I refer you back to my statements:

Although there is no guarantee that a patent application will be granted, the term “Patent Pending” protects you from infringement during the (sometimes lengthy) waiting period before publication (if the patent is granted). Since the Patent Office keeps the details of the application confidential during this period, it’s risky for someone to steal any aspect of your invention since you can sue for infringement damages accruing from 18 months after the date of the application, not just from the date of the patent being granted. Also, if the infringement is judged to be wilful, the damages can be tripled.

and

The very act of formally applying for a patent puts down a marker of an official nature on an established date which is admissible in court in the event of a lawsuit for infringement. The effect is that, in the event of a patent ultimately being granted, the patentee can sue for infringement damages. Including a retrospective claim for damages prior to the patent actually being granted.

Done here.

 

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An I'm not disagreeing with that as it stands, except that it's not the full story and at odds with your original sweeping assertions that anyone can use the statement and it doesn't really mean anything. I repeat that it's an offence of fraud to use the statement without having made the application and paid the fee; and I refer you back to my statements:

Although there is no guarantee that a patent application will be granted, the term “Patent Pending” protects you from infringement during the (sometimes lengthy) waiting period before publication (if the patent is granted). Since the Patent Office keeps the details of the application confidential during this period, it’s risky for someone to steal any aspect of your invention since you can sue for infringement damages accruing from 18 months after the date of the application, not just from the date of the patent being granted. Also, if the infringement is judged to be wilful, the damages can be tripled.

and

The very act of formally applying for a patent puts down a marker of an official nature on an established date which is admissible in court in the event of a lawsuit for infringement. The effect is that, in the event of a patent ultimately being granted, the patentee can sue for infringement damages. Including a retrospective claim for damages prior to the patent actually being granted.

Done here.

Its ONLY able to be used in court IF... they are GRANTED a patent.. not before.
IF you do not get a patent... then anyone who copied that item DURING a patent pending status is not liable.
So...
In other words... IF you don't get the patent... the patent pending on your item served no other purpose than to inform others that a patent application has been filed.

As far as the items that were routinely marked with "patent Pending" where in fact there was no application filed... this was rampant until it was made law.... at least from what i have understood.
Also... i will point out that i think that what is the now "law".... concerning this patent pending period / 18 months things etc etc... did not even come into play until 1999.

 

[ARC]

And.... dont be done here.... this is good

And its not even political :P

 

[ARC]

After a quick search... here is what i was talking about.

American Inventors Protection Act​

American Inventors Protection Act - Summary

American Inventors Protection Act of 1999 is Law By Talis Dzenitis

www.uspto.gov

 

[plehbah2]

Just to clarify...
Firstly....
It would be "Patent Pend"... your are referring to... which would only be marked this if the patent is pending approval.(and at sole discretion and many times untrue statement by manufacturers)
Which was used and marked on 75% of everything ever produced. (pre 70's mostly)
And is never "patented +*anything*" - other than a date.
And just for further info... Patent Pend marking means absolutely nothing "legally"... and would protect the potential patent pursuer from nothing and was and still is NOT recognized then or now by the patent office.

Second... it is not an "end"... it is a clip... and THE correct terminology.

Thirdly... If you would like to help with solving users posted "what is its" please try and base your "matter of facts" type responses on fact... and not opinion.
Opinions are welcomed as well and always... but should be stated in that way as to not confuse those posting their items.

JFYI...
TreasureNet is home to some of the best experts online... and one of the best websites in the World for such.. so keep this is mind when posting opinion VS factual information's.

Lastly... Welcome to TreasureNet.

I appreciate the welcome. I live in an 1870s mining town and have found hundreds of examples of the stamped brass suspender ends, including a few with embossed words which clearly say "ends", and not anything like patent pending. Lots of people think these were worn and used midway up the suspender, but they actually were worn down on the waist line of the trousers. The integral hook which is visible on the bottom of the specimen in the OP held a little metal ring, which was looped over a button sewn to the waist of the trousers.

I have actually been using TNet for about 25 years, I just let my account lapse and lurked for quite awhile. I also worked as an archaeologist (which does NOT mean I know everything) and am the town historian for the place I live in. So I definitely appreciate a rigorous approach to accurate information and artifact analysis.

Now, let's get to the evidence. I have a massive personal finds collection of suspender ends, so I have examined lots of specimens. I could only get to a small portion, and included is one example which clearly demonstrates the nomenclature of the era which is definitely PATENT ENDS. I will include some pictures which will also demonstrate the ring which attached to the prosser button sewn to the waist of the trousers. Is there any scholarly source you could point me to which supports the "suspender clip" terminology?

Thanks again!

 

[plehbah2]

Just to clarify...
Firstly....
It would be "Patent Pend"... your are referring to... which would only be marked this if the patent is pending approval.(and at sole discretion and many times untrue statement by manufacturers)
Which was used and marked on 75% of everything ever produced. (pre 70's mostly)
And is never "patented +*anything*" - other than a date.
And just for further info... Patent Pend marking means absolutely nothing "legally"... and would protect the potential patent pursuer from nothing and was and still is NOT recognized then or now by the patent office.

Second... it is not an "end"... it is a clip... and THE correct terminology.

Thirdly... If you would like to help with solving users posted "what is its" please try and base your "matter of facts" type responses on fact... and not opinion.
Opinions are welcomed as well and always... but should be stated in that way as to not confuse those posting their items.

JFYI...
TreasureNet is home to some of the best experts online... and one of the best websites in the World for such.. so keep this is mind when posting opinion VS factual information's.

Lastly... Welcome to TreasureNet.

Since I could not dig out my entire collection today, I found this picture on the internet of another example with the "patent ends" terminology. I know there are several more in my own collection which also illustrate this.

It also occurred to me while out detecting that we did not discuss the "clip" part. Form follows function regarding these particular artifacts, and I am not sure where any of them have a clip, or clip to anything. A quick Google search for the definition of "clip" gave the following: "a device, typically flexible or worked by a spring, for holding an object or objects together or in place." I do not think that a single one of the pictured examples meets this criterion.

Here a link to a picture of another contemporary suspender end clearly exhibiting the text "patent ends" :

 

[peruna]

regardless of the script on it, great find tic336. Ocala has always been famous for horse industry and agriculture, and the ONF has some GREAT nearby sites to hunt. Nicely done...

 

[ARC]

I see you

I appreciate the welcome. I live in an 1870s mining town and have found hundreds of examples of the stamped brass suspender ends, including a few with embossed words which clearly say "ends", and not anything like patent pending. Lots of people think these were worn and used midway up the suspender, but they actually were worn down on the waist line of the trousers. The integral hook which is visible on the bottom of the specimen in the OP held a little metal ring, which was looped over a button sewn to the waist of the trousers.

I have actually been using TNet for about 25 years, I just let my account lapse and lurked for quite awhile. I also worked as an archaeologist (which does NOT mean I know everything) and am the town historian for the place I live in. So I definitely appreciate a rigorous approach to accurate information and artifact analysis.

Now, let's get to the evidence. I have a massive personal finds collection of suspender ends, so I have examined lots of specimens. I could only get to a small portion, and included is one example which clearly demonstrates the nomenclature of the era which is definitely PATENT ENDS. I will include some pictures which will also demonstrate the ring which attached to the prosser button sewn to the waist of the trousers. Is there any scholarly source you could point me to which supports the "suspender clip" terminology?

Thanks again!

I think you may have found the only 2 examples out there. (now i am sure many / hundreds were made of each and perhaps many other examples of this deceit exist)
BUT...
IMO... This "mark" / "stamp" was... again IMO... Deceiving entrepreneurship on the part of the manufacturer.
OR...
There actually was a company at one time who made "patent ends".
This is definitely possible.
FOR...
I see new things everyday... and i see things that make me scratch my head and wonder why someone did it. heh

 

[plehbah2]

I see you

I think you may have found the only 2 examples out there. (now i am sure many / hundreds were made of each and perhaps many other examples of this deceit exist)
BUT...
IMO... This "mark" / "stamp" was... again IMO... Deceiving entrepreneurship on the part of the manufacturer.
OR...
There actually was a company at one time who made "patent ends".
This is definitely possible.
FOR...
I see new things everyday... and i see things that make me scratch my head and wonder why someone did it. heh

There is a famous DaVinci quote which goes something like this: "There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see." I suppose we can add a fourth class of people. THOSE WHO REFUSE TO SEE DESPITE ANY AND ALL EVIDENCE PRESENTED.

I think I am also done with this one. I'm going to the pub to buy Red-Coat a pint.

 

[ARC]

There is a famous DaVinci quote which goes something like this: "There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see." I suppose we can add a fourth class of people. THOSE WHO REFUSE TO SEE DESPITE ANY AND ALL EVIDENCE PRESENTED.

I think I am also done with this one. I'm going to the pub to buy Red-Coat a pint.

Heh... you do that.

 

[Digger RJ]

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Nice!!! Congrats!!!

 

[Almy]

Check out "patent leather". Sometimes it appears that "patent" became a product description. It originally may have had some basis in patenting, but became more of a trade term later. Sort of like "kleenex".