what is it ???

[gp]

found this in fredericksburg va it is 1 1/8 across anyone have a clue thanks for any info even if its a guess

 

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[diggummup]

It does look like a griffin without the wings though.Still looking.It's gotta be somewhere.Michelle,what are you talking about?

 

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[Michelle]

It does look like a griffin without the wings though.Still looking.It's gotta be somewhere.Michelle,what are you talking about?

This? 1970 1971 V (5) "rampant" lion I found a date that these were being used but no pic...So Im still looking...May not be...

 

[Michelle]

Just wondering could this be a harness buckle?

 

[Michelle]

Griffin

 

[diggummup]

PBK where are you? I know you can help with this one.Us mere mortals are an ignorant species,we need you. Help!

 

[Smithbrown]

No it is definitely not a griffin- it would need wings, talons instead of front paws and a more beaky head to be a griffin. It is definitely a rampant lion, if a bit attenuated.

Smithbrown

 

[Michelle]

Would you say Old or Modern?

 

[PBK]

PBK where are you?

Staying well away from the fray!

The only thing combining a rampant lion and large "V" that comes to mind— and I highly doubt that there is any connection whatsoever— is the Dutch East India Company— Vereenigde Oostindische Compagnie, abbreviated VOC. (Note that the letters O and C are nowhere to be seen on GP's find.) Even so, I thought I'd go ahead a post a photo of one of their coins, if only to convince Diggummup that a) I'm watching the thread, and b) I'd post an answer if I had one! (BTW, Diggummup, that's a really nice griffin livery button.) On the coin (only example I could find fast) the lion and letters are on separate sides, but I'm pretty sure I've seen illustrations of a rampant lion superimposed on a VOC monogram, with the O and C much smaller and higher on the V than shown on the coin.

Again, I am emphatically not suggesting that this is a Dutch East India Company item— just mentioning the "Lion & V" coincidence, which may have occurred to others as well.

Source: http://cgi.ebay.com/Netherlands-East-Indies-1-Duit-1780_W0QQitemZ260013495518QQcmdZViewItem

 

[stoney56]

The "V" is so predominant that I'm thinking it has to be the breast plate of the 5Th Regimental something.

 

[PBK]

The "V" is so predominant that I'm thinking it has to be the breast plate of the 5Th Regimental something.

Hey, Stoney. Been checking on that angle, too. Nothing yet, but I agree: the "V" is probably the key.

 

[stoney56]

I almost feel close but....

http://intergon.net/rifles/history.htm

 

[Michelle]

I almost feel close but....

http://intergon.net/rifles/history.htm

http://www.digiserve.com/heraldry/ check through this one too when you get time...

 

[PBK]

I sent the photos to a researcher friend, who in turn forwarded them to George Weller Juno, a professional appraiser of 18th & 19th century U.S. and European accoutrements, insignia, and other militaria. Neither of them could offer any information about it, either.

 

[warsawdaddy]

Just a uneducated guess,but it could maybe be from the 5th troop of a Dragoon regiment

 

[diggummup]

I've searched through literally hundreds of different "lion rampants" from many different countries and none of them look "exactly" like this one does.I'm also unsure about the V being a Roman numeral 5,it could just be a V.Notice how the line is thicker on the left side?Interesting to say the least.What kind of reading you get on your MD with it? Looks like brass.I can't even guess what it is,looks like a slide,but for what? 1 1/8 inches is pretty small.How wide are the openings?Something that small leads me to believe that either,had to be something made of cloth that slid through it,or seperate pieces of leather were attached at either end.The piece looks bent,but it looks like it was made that way.Another clue.I'm baffled.Done for now.Try again tommorrow,I guess.

 

[Michelle]

I sent the photos to a researcher friend, who in turn forwarded them to George Weller Juno, a professional appraiser of 18th & 19th century U.S. and European accoutrements, insignia, and other militaria. Neither of them could offer any information about it, either.

Could this be another of those Crest Type things that can only be resolved by knowing WHO it is?

 

[Michelle]

diggum this lion just is different in that it doesnt look as furry as all the others....it is smoother and the mane is the only real hair except the tail and talons...maybe it is another kind of cat animal

 

[diggummup]

diggum this lion just is different in that it doesnt look as furry as all the others....it is smoother and the mane is the only real hair except the tail and talons...maybe it is another kind of cat animal

Good thought.Here's a few wolf rampant designs,this is as close as I could get to his.I put it last to keep from going to the top of the page to compare.Still no help?

 

[diggummup]

Actually,now that I look at it,it does look a little closer to the second wolf rampant as compared to the many lion rampants i've compared it to except maybe the"lion argent".Maybe a little closer? Still no exact yet.I think you might be onto something.Good thought.Also you could be right as to this only being identified by knowing who it actually belonged to.Gee I wonder where doc is? I know he has an opinion. LOL -I can't believe I just said that.

 

[Michelle]

hehe me either...but we could use some help....these furry critters are beginning to get old....