Rebel: most of this came about when I worked for csx railroad and in 1998, did the inventory in mobile. at the library there, I talked with the historian. she told me that two ships were sunk in the outer part of the bay. I almost passed out, thinking they were Spanish. she thinks they had been scuttled. but things went downhill fast. at the time I did not think much of it, when she said they were French but now, with so much going on with people coming in way before Columbus. anyway the 4 groups were welsh, Viking, Portugal and France and I have vary little to go on. I did see some bits and pieces at the museum in mobile. two school's have done digs there but I could not find where.