WAS THERE EVER AN "UNKNOWN AUTHOR" OF THE BEALE PAPERS?

[ECS]

Actually what is stated in Ward's application for copyright letter"
"a copy of the book to be sent when finished"
A printed copy or printing for that matter is NOT mentioned in this application letter, just a copy when finished.

 

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[franklin]

You need to clean your reading glasses.

 

[ECS]

Well doctor my eyes and quote the line from the above posted application where the word "printing" appears.

 

[franklin]

Well doctor my eyes and quote the line from the above posted application where the word "printing" appears.

It is in the fifth line? Starts at the end of line four and with the beginning of line five. And it states, "to be sent you when printed."

 

[ECS]

You are correct- the handwriting can be misleading.
...but that does not confirm that there was an "unknown author" or that the "authentic statements" are about an actual event or just a created story.

 

[ECS]

The entire treasure story is based on this "unknown author" hearsay account of what Robert Morriss told and shown him while Morriss was under the care of his niece, Anzoletta Saunders during the "2nd year of the Confederate War".
Then, for 20 years tries to solve the three ciphers, but only succeeded with C2, so he writes a manuscript and brings it to Ward, for Ward can act as agent and publisher...
...and then Ward applies for copyright with only the title, accepting that the story presented is true while NEVER seeing the evidence, ie the letters, iron box, handwritten ciphers that the Beale story is based, and has his cousin , John William Sherman print the pamphlet copies, write book review copy and adds for the newspaper at which he was sub-editor.
During the period of publishing and sale this "unknown author" who started this just disappears from the scene.

The obvious conclusion being that:
1. There never was an "unknown author"
2. The "manuscript" was not completed when Ward applied for copyright as "agent".
3. There never was a Beale, or letters, or iron box with ciphers outside of the narrative text.
4. The "unknown authors" most probably were Ward and Sherman, with other relatives contributing input.

Without the provenance of the handwritten letters and ciphers and iron box, and the total lack of even minimal collaboration of anything in the BEALE PAPERS story, the logical conclusion is that it was and always was a work of fiction.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A HOAX, then...?

 

[ECS]

I don't believe the intention was to create a "hoax", but a localized adventure treasure story for the sole purpose of generating income from the job print pamphlets sale.
...but as concluded by US Lt Thomas Fawcett in his report to government codebreaker, Col William Friedman:
"Unanswered is the question as to why (Ward) wrote the story".

 

[bigscoop]

I think people just have to accept that we'll likely never know who actually penned this adventure story? All we know for sure is that Ward was agent for this story, all else is just speculation that will likely never be established as fact. What we do know for certain is that this adventure never took place as described and that many of the details in the story are seriously flawed and laced with author deceptions. Once we accept these facts then it becomes pretty clear that there was never a treasure or said grand adventure. And that's all that really matters.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I don't believe the intention was to create a "hoax", but a localized adventure treasure story for the sole purpose of generating income from the job print pamphlets sale.
...but as concluded by US Lt Thomas Fawcett in his report to government codebreaker, Col William Friedman:
"Unanswered is the question as to why (Ward) wrote the story".

Did he...? Provenance...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I think people just have to accept that we'll likely never know who actually penned this adventure story? All we know for sure is that Ward was agent for this story, all else is just speculation that will likely never be established as fact. What we do know for certain is that this adventure never took place as described and that many of the details in the story are seriously flawed and laced with author deceptions. Once we accept these facts then it becomes pretty clear that there was never a treasure or said grand adventure. And that's all that really matters.

Why the Deception...? Provenance...?

 

[ECS]

Did he...? Provenance...?
Why the deception...? Provenance...?

The "unknown author" being told the Beale treasure story by Robert Morriss , working on the ciphers for 20 years, then contacting James Beverly Ward (name not mentioned in the pamphlet) as agent - all these alleged events are all part of the presented storyline, designed to as a lure of possible believability to reel in the reader.
I don't believe the original intention was deception, just a localized adventure treasure story with local names and locations included for "atmosphere".
No provenance exists for works of fiction beyond the printed product.
...and no provenance be of the original handwritten manuscript of the alleged "unknown author", the letters on which the Beale treasure adventure is based, or the iron box and ciphers has ever been produced or brought forth-
...and that includes the Beale after market books and papers by Hart, Innis, Ellis, Rose, and others that allude to Beale related items, but conveniently "disappear" after a book is published for sale.
What is interesting to note, this "disappearing" provenance originated with the original 1885 Beale Papers, copyrighted and published by Ward.

 

[Eldo]

Why the Deception...? Provenance...?

Maybe he was a master forger like I said to begin with...









Such a Science to your denials that it takes volumes of "history" to drown out the wrong

One coded line of numerical and symbolic reference to a text from Virginia, found buried near 30 men who were massacred at a mining system in AZ......hmmmmmm....exactly 300 miles WEST of Santa Fe

 

[bigscoop]

Maybe he was a master forger like I said to begin with...









Such a Science to your denials that it takes volumes of "history" to drown out the wrong

One coded line of numerical and symbolic reference to a text from Virginia, found buried near 30 men who were massacred at a mining system in AZ......hmmmmmm....exactly 300 miles WEST of Santa Fe

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Yes, yes. And "TJB" was placed all over the landscapes by his millions of super secret conspirators, all of them highly skilled in the astrological arts and sciences, an endless stream of super secret treasures to be secretly stashed all over the continent, their advanced CNC technologies allowing them to program and tool the all-telling Peralta stone.

 

[ECS]

Maybe he was a master forger like I said to begin with...

...and most likely is was just a localized adventure treasure dime novel with play along ciphers for parlor entertainment.

 

[Eldo]

Yes, yes. And "TJB" was placed all over the landscapes by his millions of super secret conspirators, all of them highly skilled in the astrological arts and sciences, an endless stream of super secret treasures to be secretly stashed all over the continent, their advanced CNC technologies allowing them to program and tool the all-telling Peralta stone.

Again it shows that you are doing nothing for the thought of solving something, when you run off with these fantasies and accusations..... when you yourself have asserted that there are no facts in the case that are valid. Just go look at your first assertions on this post.....

YOU are naturally never going to accept anything until you figure it out to your own degree of contemplation.....whereas by your personal stab at me here you seem to be really digging deep into someone's life as opposed to the facts they bring to the table......

Yes Yes TJB all over the landscape.....you sound like you are really enjoying this....

 

[Eldo]

...and most likely is was just a localized adventure treasure dime novel with play along ciphers for parlor entertainment.

Dont spend too much time on them.....as instructed in the Beale......follow the leader, listen to everything he says.....

....nothing to see here.....move along......its just a multiple million dollar stash that "might" be there

Wonder what all the commotion is about?

 

[ECS]

Actually that is not what is stated in James B. Ward's Letter to the Library of Congress for a copyright. He said he could send a copy of the book when it was printed.View attachment 1488478

Eldo, take a look at the copy of Ward's application provided by Franklin.
It is written in Ward's own hand, on a borrowed letterhead supplied by his son-in-law with NO connection to master forger Reavis.
Since the entire premise of your Peralta Stones/Lost Dutchman/Confederate/Rockefeller/Morgan and so on is based on this Reavis connection, Ward's actual copyright application is the major nail in the coffin of this " "real"story behind the Beale story".

 

[bigscoop]

Again it shows that you are doing nothing for the thought of solving something, when you run off with these fantasies and accusations..... when you yourself have asserted that there are no facts in the case that are valid. Just go look at your first assertions on this post.....

YOU are naturally never going to accept anything until you figure it out to your own degree of contemplation.....whereas by your personal stab at me here you seem to be really digging deep into someone's life as opposed to the facts they bring to the table......

Yes Yes TJB all over the landscape.....you sound like you are really enjoying this....

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Eldo, no stab, it's just fact of evidence, much of which you yourself have so eagerly provided. On top of this, you reject all fact and evidences to the contrary, which pretty much concludes that you're not really after the truth but rather in promotion and pursuit of something else all together. And I'm certainly not the only one in complete rejection of your sprawling and fantastical solution/remedy. Instead, if you really are on to something connected to Beale, then drop all the props and speculatory evidences and actually present some true provenance, an actual direct connection. It's really that simple. You either have it or you don't. Volumes upon volumes of everything else is still just volumes and volumes of everything else.

 

[ECS]

How many times are you going to "REPEAT" this information. I think we all know that is a given. That is why we seek other sources.

In an other source, James Beverly Ward's great grandson, Gorham B Walker stated to Lt Thomas Fawcett that he was convinced that his great grandfather WAS the author of the 1885 Beale Papers.
That information presents two options:
1. He received the story from Robert Morriss during the "2nd year of the Confederate War" before leaving for business in Richmond.
2. He created the entire story with references of events that occurred to members of his extended family.