WAS THERE EVER AN "UNKNOWN AUTHOR" OF THE BEALE PAPERS?

[ECS]

The entire Beale story is based on the word of this "unknown author" his receiving the story, letters, iron box with ciphers from Robert Morriss at the widow Saunders house, but how do know this is just not another part of the presented story?
Then there is his presenting the finished "Beale Papers" manuscript to James Beverly Ward to copyright and publish.
All of this is in the context of the storyline, from the word of this alleged "unknown author", who just be another literary device character as narrator for the unfolding story, and not to be thought of as a real person.
Edgar Allan Poe used a similar device in many of his stories, and that construction as well as other devices as real events could have been "borrowed" in the creation of the Beale perilous adventure treasure story.
Remember, Ward applied for copyright with only the title, not the manuscript.
Why?
Was it not yet written as claimed in the story, or was it written in Ward's own hand?

 

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[bigscoop]

That's just it, the entire story, everything about it, including the author, is just a compilation of complete unknowns. People have been blindly filling in all of those blanks ever since the publication hit the shelves simply because they want so badly to believe in the story's unbelievable treasure. The author understood this human nature and he certainly set out to capitalize on it. If there was any truth at all to the story then there would be some directly connectiving evidence remaining, yet there is none, not to any of it. This story is just like all of other classic treasure tales, without any provenance whatsoever, it was just penned by different design. 132 years and thousands upon thousands of researchers later and there still isn't a single hint of that provenance, and there never will be, and for good reason. Time to let go of this fantasy.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The entire Beale story is based on the word of this "unknown author" his receiving the story, letters, iron box with ciphers from Robert Morriss at the widow Saunders house, but how do know this is just not another part of the presented story?
Then there is his presenting the finished "Beale Papers" manuscript to James Beverly Ward to copyright and publish.
All of this is in the context of the storyline, from the word of this alleged "unknown author", who just be another literary device character as narrator for the unfolding story, and not to be thought of as a real person.
Edgar Allan Poe used a similar device in many of his stories, and that construction as well as other devices as real events could have been "borrowed" in the creation of the Beale perilous adventure treasure story.
Remember, Ward applied for copyright with only the title, not the manuscript.
Why?
Was it not yet written as claimed in the story, or was it written in Ward's own hand?

Blame it ALL on "JB" Ward & his "Cuz", JW Sherman... AND! "Maj." Ferdinand C. Hutter (CSA). ALL in the family of James Beverly Risque... (singing ALL IN THE FAMILY "theme song").

 

[ECS]

That's just it, the entire story, everything about it, including the author, is just a compilation of complete unknowns. People have been blindly filling in all of those blanks ever since the publication hit the shelves simply because they want so badly to believe in the story's unbelievable treasure...

What is never considered by those who have claimed cipher solutions over the years is this:
If the "unknown author" is just a literary character device to further the story's development, what does that reveal about the validity of the C1 & C3 ciphers, and the credibility of ALL the claimed ciphers?
That may well explain the reason why NONE of the supposed cipher solutions have anything message in common.
Now that is the GRAND FRET of the Beale vault seekers.

 

[ECS]

... If there was any truth at all to the story then there would be some directly connectiving evidence remaining, yet there is none, not to any of it. This story is just like all of other classic treasure tales, without any provenance whatsoever, it was just penned by different design. 132 years and thousands upon thousands of researchers later and there still isn't a single hint of that provenance, and there never will be, and for good reason. Time to let go of this fantasy.

It does appear hard for some to actually give up this fantasy, using quotes from the Beale Papers as evidentiary proof that the narrative text story is true, always failing to realize that one can not use the only source of the story to prove that the story is true.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

What is never considered by those who have claimed cipher solutions over the years is this:
If the "unknown author" is just a literary character device to further the story's development, what does that reveal about the validity of the C1 & C3 ciphers, and the credibility of ALL the claimed ciphers?
That may well explain the reason why NONE of the supposed cipher solutions have anything message in common.
Now that is the GRAND FRET of the Beale vault seekers.

Well, PV "said" it well in his book, THE BEALE TREASURE: NEW History of a MYSTERY... "(The Ciphers) were ONLY serving to help create the COVER. They remain today UNSOLVED, because they were NEVER real messages" (p. 173). Now THAT... IS A GRAND FRET!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The entire Beale story is based on the word of this "unknown author" his receiving the story, letters, iron box with ciphers from Robert Morriss at the widow Saunders house, but how do know this is just not another part of the presented story?
Then there is his presenting the finished "Beale Papers" manuscript to James Beverly Ward to copyright and publish.
All of this is in the context of the storyline, from the word of this alleged "unknown author", who just be another literary device character as narrator for the unfolding story, and not to be thought of as a real person.
Edgar Allan Poe used a similar device in many of his stories, and that construction as well as other devices as real events could have been "borrowed" in the creation of the Beale perilous adventure treasure story.
Remember, Ward applied for copyright with only the title, not the manuscript.
Why?
Was it not yet written as claimed in the story, or was it written in Ward's own hand?

FINAL question is a good one... I think two or three cousins of the Risque "clan" had a part to play... Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, CSA got some info from RM, later to be interviewed by "cuz" John William Sherman (wrote the "story"), & had another "cuz" ("JB" Ward) to request copy-right for the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet. Why "B. PAPERS Pamphlet"? Well the "Job Print" was INFLUENCED by TRUE, AUTHENTIC EVENTS, up to 1882 or so... as PAPERS submitted for ideas for the CREATIVE writing by John William Sherman (MHO).

 

[ECS]

That's just it, the entire story, everything about it, including the author, is just a compilation of complete unknowns. People have been blindly filling in all of those blanks ever since the publication hit the shelves simply because they want so badly to believe in the story's unbelievable treasure...

The entire treasure story is based on this "unknown author" hearsay account of what Robert Morriss told and shown him while Morriss was under the care of his niece, Anzoletta Saunders during the "2nd year of the Confederate War".
Then, for 20 years tries to solve the three ciphers, but only succeeded with C2, so he writes a manuscript and brings it to Ward, for Ward can act as agent and publisher...
...and then Ward applies for copyright with only the title, accepting that the story presented is true while NEVER seeing the evidence, ie the letters, iron box, handwritten ciphers that the Beale story is based, and has his cousin , John William Sherman print the pamphlet copies, write book review copy and adds for the newspaper at which he was sub-editor.
During the period of publishing and sale this "unknown author" who started this just disappears from the scene.

The obvious conclusion being that:
1. There never was an "unknown author"
2. The "manuscript" was not completed when Ward applied for copyright as "agent".
3. There never was a Beale, or letters, or iron box with ciphers outside of the narrative text.
4. The "unknown authors" most probably were Ward and Sherman, with other relatives contributing input.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Nah, the unknown author, died in 1885 (Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, former CSA Paymaster), of a HEART ATTACK!

 

[ECS]

Nah, the unknown author, died in 1885 (Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, former CSA Paymaster), of a HEART ATTACK!

Being one of Ward's cousins, he probably created the C2 "DOI solved" cipher, but left C1 & C3 to Ward and/or Sherman to complete and may be one of the reasons that Ward applied for copyright with only the title, and NOT the alleged finished manuscript presented by the "unknown author" in the story.

The other question that arises, is why would CSA Major F C Hutter interview Robert Morriss at the widow Saunders house during the "2nd year of the Confederate War"?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Well, Maj. Hutter was CSA Paymaster for Virginia, and "was suddenly called to Richmond". RM MAY have summoned him, dunno. RM died in 1863; so did Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson... TJ! FIRST deposit of REBEL GOLD/SILVER (coins) MAY have been put in TJ's Burial VAULT, in Lexington, Va., dunno. In terms of the "DOI solved Cipher", it MAY well be that Comp. I, 10th Virginia Cavalry (Stonewall "Foot Cavalry" of the Shenandoah Valley; Conrad Store, now known as Elkton, Va.) did it. I was an re-enactor in Comp. I, 10th Va. Cav. during the early 70's (REBEL Mountain Man Scout); didn't make any "connections" with the "Beale" 'til now... THANKS to PV!

 

[ECS]

That's just it, the entire story, everything about it, including the author, is just a compilation of complete unknowns.
People have been blindly filling in all of those blanks ever since the publication hit the shelves simply because they want so badly to believe in the story's unbelievable treasure.
The author understood this human nature and he certainly set out to capitalize on it...

...and the REAL author, not the "unknown author" character of the narrative story utilized this knowledge of human nature very well that it still beguiles unwary readers today.
Just as NO evidence exists that can prove that the Thomas J Beale Party's perilous adventure occurred outside of the pages of the job print pamphlet, there is no evidence that can confirm the existence of this "unknown author" or his presenting the finished Beale Papers manuscript to James Beverly Ward as stated in the narrative of the Beale Papers.

"The gentleman whom I have selected as my agent...was ignorant of this episode in Mr Morriss' career, UTIL THE MANUSCRIPT WAS PLACED IN HIS HANDS"- THE BEALE PAPERS

What does exist is Ward's 1884 LIBRARY of CONGRESS copyright application on borrowed Adams Bros & Paynes letterhead applying with ONLY the title and stating in Ward's own handwriting that the book was "UNFINISHED'" and would send a copy upon completion.
This copyright application negates the finished manuscript statement of the alleged "unknown author" in the Beale Papers narrative, for in 1884 the story was still being written, and was printed and published for sale in 1885.

 

[franklin]

How many times are you going to "REPEAT" this information. I think we all know that is a given. That is why we seek other sources.

 

[ECS]

How many times are you going to "REPEAT" this information. I think we all know that is a given. That is why we seek other sources.

Why do you constantly ask that question of me when you do exactly the same while claiming to seek "other sources"?

 

[franklin]

Why do you constantly ask that question of me when you do exactly the same while claiming to seek "other sources"?

Because you have written it a few hundred times. You must have been bad in school and the teacher is making you write it one hundred times on this forum before you get to go home.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL!

 

[ECS]

Because you have written it a few hundred times. You must have been bad in school and the teacher is making you write it one hundred times on this forum before you get to go home.

Have you resorted to insulting other TN members because you have run barren of "other sources" of Beale facts, or believe that only you and "one old and valued friend" are allowed to post the same information a few hundred times on this forum?

 

[franklin]

Have you resorted to insulting other TN members because you have run barren of "other sources" of Beale facts, or believe that only you and "one old and valued friend" are allowed to post the same information a few hundred times on this forum?

That is no insult that is fact!! Go back and count them for yourself.

 

[ECS]

Returning to the topic, it is obvious from what Ward wrote in his own handwriting on that borrowed ADAMS BROS & PAYNES letterhead applying for copyright with only the title submitted, that the book was not finished.
This negates the statement in the Beale Papers that Ward was presented the finished manuscript by the "unknown author", which leads to the conclusion that there was NO "unknown author" except existing only as another character in the narrative text.
The "authentic statements" were still being written when Ward applied for that copyright, March, 1884, because there was no "unknown author" supplied finished manuscript.

 

[franklin]

Returning to the topic, it is obvious from what Ward wrote in his own handwriting on that borrowed ADAMS BROS & PAYNES letterhead applying for copyright with only the title submitted, that the book was not finished.
This negates the statement in the Beale Papers that Ward was presented the finished manuscript by the "unknown author", which leads to the conclusion that there was NO "unknown author" except existing only as another character in the narrative text.
The "authentic statements" were still being written when Ward applied for that copyright, March, 1884, because there was no "unknown author" supplied finished manuscript.

Actually that is not what is stated in James B. Ward's Letter to the Library of Congress for a copyright. He said he could send a copy of the book when it was printed.