WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

[ECS]

The ciphers were possibly written by F C Hutter, another Ward cousin, and friend Max Guggenheimer, both who served the Confederacy and had knowledge of CSA codes.
CSA Major E S Hutter, brother of F C, did save CSA Sec of State Judah P Benjamin's personal copy of Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS, which was used as a Confederate code book.
Guggenheimer, the only person mentioned in the 1885 Beale Papers that was alive when the job pamphlet was published for sale, sold copies of the Beale Papers at his store.

 

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[ECS]

LOL !

Are you laughing to cover the fact that you can not disprove what is stated above?

 

[franklin]

You will need to do your own work, I have quit giving info away . No one seems to back there stuff up here, therefore I will not post what I have anymore !

In other words same-o same-o same-o You have posted no info worth while that I know of at least not yet so why start now.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

In other words same-o same-o same-o You have posted no info worth while that I know of at least not yet so why start now.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

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[ECS]

Discussed on this thread are the several outside of the Beale story theories and various sources that contributed to the creation of the 1885 Beale Papers-from journals, to newspaper article articles to events and locations on members of the extended bloodline of James Beverly Risque's family.
Now lets examine and analyze the actual composition of the Beale narrative text.
When one studies the prose and syntax it becomes obvious there were a least three different writers involved.
The Morriss "interview" and later the discussion of attempting to solve the ciphers and the reason stated for publishing the Beale story appears to be the same male writer.
Now the physical and personality description of Beale is definitely from a feminine perspective, as well as the description of Morriss and his wife.
Then we come to the Beale letters. There is a verbosity in this prose delivered as a soliloquy in iambic pentameter.
The reference of "the game is worth the candle" is from Shakespeare's TWO GENTLEMEN OF VERONA, a play about a man banish from his community for killing a man in a fair fight, a missing letter, and the heroine is named Julia, like the niece over which Risqué was wounded in a duel with Thomas Beale, causing Beale to leave Virginia.
Notice the phrase "idle punctilio", a line as spoken by a thespian.
Owner of the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN, Charles W Button, stated his sub-editor, John William Sherman, wrote the Beale Papers. It is established that Sherman printed the job pamphlet after his cousin James Beverly Ward secured copyright as agent.
Along with Ward's father, Giles Ward, Sherman was a member of the Lynchburg thespian group, and even wrote plays for the group, and would have known his Shakespeare.
Examining the DOI "solved" C2 cipher, its syntax is rather flat, and lacks the verbosity displayed in the "Beale letters", which leads one to suspect another writer involved in the Beale pamphlet endeavor.

The last letter from Beale to Morriss has the phrase," false or idle punctilio", what di he mean by that phrase?
In the 1820's, punctilio's meaning was "a fine point", but by the 1880's its meaning was "two parties linked in a financial venture".
How to Speak 19th Century This contains the definition of words used in the 1800's, taken from the 1830's memoirs of Joseph Plum Martin, and punctilio is included near the bottom.
The origin of punctilio was 16th century Italian, and its original meaning was the "honor cause of a duel.
The Elizabethan playwrights, including Marlowe, Bacon, Johnson, and Shakespeare, used the word punctilio in its original duel meaning- something a playwright and thespian in Lynchburg would have known.
Was this another oblique reference to the duel between Risqué and Beale that concerned Julia Hancock that was implied by the TWO MEN OF VERONA reference?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The ciphers were possibly written by F C Hutter, another Ward cousin, and friend Max Guggenheimer, both who served the Confederacy and had knowledge of CSA codes.
CSA Major E S Hutter, brother of F C, did save CSA Sec of State Judah P Benjamin's personal copy of Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS, which was used as a Confederate code book.
Guggenheimer, the only person mentioned in the 1885 Beale Papers that was alive when the job pamphlet was published for sale, sold copies of the Beale Papers at his store.

WB! DYK...? James Beverly Risque's grave site is behind Maj. E.F. Hutter grave site in the Presbyterian grave-yard on Grace Street in Lynchburg, Va.? "CSA MAX" is ALSO buried in there!

 

[ECS]

Then we have the question concerning the "real " names used in the Beale Papers.
During the 1880's western dime novels were in vogue, and the use of real names, be it Buffalo Bill, Davy Crocket, Calamity Jane, Kit Carson were features in adventure tales in Erastus Beadle's dime novels. Ned Buntline made a career detailing the legend of Wyatt Earp. What all these dime novels have in common, while the characters were based on real people, the adventures contained therein were creations of the authors imagination.
The main characters in the Beale Papers are, of course, Thomas Beale and Robert Morriss.
The Thomas Beale who dueled with Risqué, did not have a "J" as a middle name-this was added by the author.
Robert Morris, a known Mayor of Lynchburg, spelled his name with one "S".
The well known to 1885 Lynchburg names, Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson, and Chief Justice Marshall were included as plot dressing to establish Morriss's character in the narrative. Max Guggenheimer, Lynchburg businessman who was the only living person during the time of publication, was included to provide the location of Morriss's home for the story.
As stated by codebreaker William Friedman, "diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".

 

[ECS]

The wary reader needs to take into consideration that LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN owner, Charles W Button, stated that his sub-editor, John William Sherman, was the writer of the Beale Papers.
John William Sherman was the great grand nephew of Pascal Buford, owner of the INN mentioned in Beale's letter to Morriss, and his cousin, James Beverly Ward, copyright holder and publisher of the job pamphlet, was the grandson of Jams Beverly Risqué of the Beale duel, and Ward's wife, Harriet Otey Buford, was born and raised "4 miles from Buford's", also mention in the pamphlet.
Robert Morris was Ward's uncle by marriage.
The extended Risqué family bloodline runs throughout the 1885 Beale Papers, far more than mere coincidence.

 

[Old Silver]

Then we have the question concerning the "real " names used in the Beale Papers.
During the 1880's western dime novels were in vogue, and the use of real names, be it Buffalo Bill, Davy Crocket, Calamity Jane, Kit Carson were features in adventure tales in Erastus Beadle's dime novels. Ned Buntline made a career detailing the legend of Wyatt Earp. What all these dime novels have in common, while the characters were based on real people, the adventures contained therein were creations of the authors imagination.
The main characters in the Beale Papers are, of course, Thomas Beale and Robert Morriss.
The Thomas Beale who dueled with Risqué, did not have a "J" as a middle name-this was added by the author.
Robert Morris, a known Mayor of Lynchburg, spelled his name with one "S".
The well known to 1885 Lynchburg names, Clay, Coles, Witcher, Jackson, and Chief Justice Marshall were included as plot dressing to establish Morriss's character in the narrative. Max Guggenheimer, Lynchburg businessman who was the only living person during the time of publication, was included to provide the location of Morriss's home for the story.
As stated by codebreaker William Friedman, "diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".

Those names of heroes were national heroes, not local to just one small town in the middle of nowhere.
New things have been found since your recent hiatus, and even a few right before, so you might want to get caught up.

 

[ECS]

Rev Charles Green Clay, Col Issac Coles, and Capt William Witcher were connected to and well known in Lynchburg during that time period. While Coles and Witcher did fight during the American Revolution and are heroes, Rev Clay did not, but established a church in Lynchburg.
Those names, as well as Jackson and Marshall were used as plot dressing in the Beale narrative, as a character development for Robert Morriss's credibility in the story.

 

[Old Silver]

Rev Charles Green Clay, Col Issac Coles, and Capt William Witcher were connected to and well known in Lynchburg during that time period. While Coles and Witcher did fight during the American Revolution and are heroes, Rev Clay did not, but established a church in Lynchburg.
Those names, as well as Jackson and Marshall were used as plot dressing in the Beale narrative, as a character development for Robert Morriss's credibility in the story.

I think you're confusing this with wild west.

 

[ECS]

What one doesn't take into account is that the 1885 Beale Papers were written, printed, copyrighted, published, and advertised for sale in the limited market of Lynchburg, hence the names employed that would be recognized to the buying public of Lynchburg.
Andrew Jackson would have been known for his 1815 dinner in Lynchburg that was attended by Thomas Jefferson, and one of those who sent the invitation was none other than James Beverly Risqué.
Citizens of Lynchburg to Thomas Jefferson, 4 November 1815
Pascal Buford was also in attendance, and Jackson spent the night at Jefferson's Poplar Forest.
There is no account of Andrew Jackson ever spending a night at Robert Morris's house, except for that mention in the 185 Beale Papers.

 

[ECS]

Beale's Jan 4, 1822 letter to Robert Morriss:
"Everything necessary for our purposes and for the prosecution of the work HAD BEEN OBTAINED FROM SANTA FE".
Santa Fe was under Spanish control, and objected to any and all Anglo-American intrusions on their territory, Americans were arrested and detained, sometimes they were executed. The Spanish government also maintained records on all of these activities.
So the question is: What did Beale obtain from Santa Fe that was necessary for the expeditions purposes?
The Spanish were not known to hand out mining permits to Anglos, yet Beale, in this letter, claims to have obtained something from Santa Fe that was of necessary to be able to carry out his purposes.
There exist NO Spanish records from Santa Fe that confirms this statement from Beale.

 

[ECS]

WB! DYK...? James Beverly Risque's grave site is behind Maj. E.F. Hutter grave site in the Presbyterian grave-yard on Grace Street in Lynchburg, Va.? "CSA MAX" is ALSO buried in there!

Wasn't the Rev Charles Green Clay who was mentioned as a guest of Robert Morriss in the Beale Papers a Presbyterian?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

No, Episcopalian. MOSTLY was in Bedford/Lynchburg, Va. "area"... "google" Rev. Charles Green Clay; LOTS of info! HH! Good Luck!

 

[Old Silver]

Beale's Jan 4, 1822 letter to Robert Morriss:
"Everything necessary for our purposes and for the prosecution of the work HAD BEEN OBTAINED FROM SANTA FE".
Santa Fe was under Spanish control, and objected to any and all Anglo-American intrusions on their territory, Americans were arrested and detained, sometimes they were executed. The Spanish government also maintained records on all of these activities.
So the question is: What did Beale obtain from Santa Fe that was necessary for the expeditions purposes?
The Spanish were not known to hand out mining permits to Anglos, yet Beale, in this letter, claims to have obtained something from Santa Fe that was of necessary to be able to carry out his purposes.
There exist NO Spanish records from Santa Fe that confirms this statement from Beale.

So you think merchants in Santa Fe would not have sold tools to a group of 30 men? From what I hear, some people made their fortune on selling supplies to miners, and sometimes made even more than the miners made. I can't see a merchant refusing that.

 

[ECS]

No, Episcopalian. MOSTLY was in Bedford/Lynchburg, Va. "area"... "google" Rev. Charles Green Clay; LOTS of info! HH! Good Luck!

Rev Clay lived in Forest (Poplar Forest), was a neighbor of and knew Thomas Jefferson, and was a patriot of the Revolution.
As with the mention of Coles and Witcher in the Beale Papers, his name was well known throughout Lynchburg, and added credibility to the paragraph in the narrative text describing Robert Morriss's character.

 

[ECS]

So you think merchants in Santa Fe would not have sold tools to a group of 30 men? From what I hear, some people made their fortune on selling supplies to miners, and sometimes made even more than the miners made. I can't see a merchant refusing that.

Remember, Anglo-Americans were NOT WELCOME in Spanish controlled territory.
If they bought mining tools from local Santa Fe merchants, don't you think that would arouse the attentions of the authorities in Santa Fe, that Kit Carson called "Santa Fe that far Mexican metropolis of the Spanish settlements"?

 

[bigscoop]

Personally, I think things began to take on some noticeable changes once the Adams Onis Treaty was signed, certain tensions perhaps letting down a bit. Also one has to remember that Mexico was winning as well and that this inevitable Spanish loss was also most certainly on the horizon. This is one of the biggest problems when trying to draw clear details on this era and region because it was rapidly changing on such a grand scale.