WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

[ECS]

You're losing it Laf. Find the post where I stated anything about documentation concerning this diary that has you so green around the gills.

 

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[TN_Guest1523]

You're losing it Laf. Find the post where I stated anything about documentation concerning this diary that has you so green around the gills.

Sometimers kicking in there bro, you said you have the Celeste Beale Diary and then you said if it did exist it would say . Wow you can not show it because there is not a Diary . You simply make things up to try to win a debate about something . There is no use in talking to you anymore !

 

[ECS]

I never said that I possessed the diary, Laf, that is your assumption.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

I never said that I possessed the diary, Laf, that is your assumption.

Keep going, So you never seen it ether right ?

 

[ECS]

"You guys will have to do your own homework. I am not giving out more than I have"
- JEAN LAF "It's End Game"/ post #831
Hoisted up by your own petard.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

"You guys will have to do your own homework. I am not giving out more than I have"
- JEAN LAF "It's End Game"/ post #831
Hoisted up by your own petard.

Just what I thought, all lies shall be exposed and no were to hide .

 

[ECS]

Just what I thought, all lies shall be exposed and no were to hide .

Have you read the rules about calling fellow TN members a liar?
"Don't criticized what you can't understand"- Bob Dylan

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Have you read the rules about calling fellow TN members a liar?
"Don't criticized what you can't understand"- Bob Dylan

Not what I said bro !

 

[ECS]

So you say, but its not the first time.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

So you say, but its not the first time.

Don't Assume Bro . Just looking for facts !

So you have never even seen the Celeste Beale Diary and yet you assume what it said ? LOL

 

[ECS]

I never said that.
You realize that there is no proof that Thomas Beale of Uptown Plantation and the Merchant & Planters Hotel, 10 Canal St, New Orleans ever departed from that city until his death in 1820 in New Orleans.
Your Captain Thomas Beale and his son are not the Beale of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers pamphlet.
The name was used as a fictional character that would have been known by the 1885 Lynchburg buying public because of a well known duel.
The ciphers were a game, "the game is worth the candle" and then there is the disclaimer: "I would say a word to those who may take an interest in them...It is, to devote only such time as can be spared from your legitimate business to the task, and if you can spare no time, LET THE MATTER ALONE".
The author, be it Ward, Sherman, Hutter, or a "committee" have plainly stated that the ciphers are a "game", and if one does not have the time, let it be, because it is only a local dime novel treasure story, and that was the understanding in 1885 Lynchburg.

 

[releventchair]

What is being sold ,how and why? No one lost a great treasure without contingencies and back up's to their back up's , or did they?
I-you-we would not lose one would we? Not easily. Though we could direct annoying attention to a property owners land by hinting. Or simply sell something to scratch up some coin. Or attempt a flushing out of a possible prior activity shadowed by a lack of info. or have a cover story
A convoluted con could cover all of the above.

First though an audience with a few coins is needed.
Note "ears" , they will come up repeatedly.

Treasure. Ears perk up, and you have a select audiences attention.
Now the sales tactic may very greatly.. you can provide a service in exchange , or run all the way to a full blown con.
Not ethical but a coarse approach is to first confuse your audience. The Beale papers do achieve that as apparently no one new it was there but the veil of ignorance is lifted and here it is in full account.(!)
Promoting a local lost treasure with new info to be released creates a dependency on you for more info..and ignites competition more than free shoelaces even, depending on the pitch..this one including newspaper adds to boot.
Next create a dependency. Already done.. Easy enough by being the exclusive source of further information to the confused.
Now make the sale. "Here's your copy".

A shell game comes to mind with the ciphers ,the story, and recent history of the writings time in it's accuracy inaccuracies and rumor.
Follow one or all and are we guessing or knowing which is which , separate or all together?
That name rings a bell says this pair of ears,that site sounds, no wait I know where that is says another ,ya I herd something about that event back when chimes in another pair.....

Whether some one buys into or is sold or by contact comes across the Beale papers and reads them....
For many of them afterwards , (after Wards) the name Beale will from then on will make their ears perk up and they will want more information.

Some one or a party missed out on sequels to sequels in the saga by/for the original party.....but not everyone did since , sort of; still.

Beale. Just a name ...but it pops up now and then and makes previously un itchy heads itch.

Don't chase it when your ears or eyes perk up or you'll just chase it more. And there is always more.

(Ignore the urge to click the link.)
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=beale epa

 

[TN_Guest1523]

I never said that.
You realize that there is no proof that Thomas Beale of Uptown Plantation and the Merchant & Planters Hotel, 10 Canal St, New Orleans ever departed from that city until his death in 1820 in New Orleans.
Your Captain Thomas Beale and his son are not the Beale of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers pamphlet.
The name was used as a fictional character that would have been known by the 1885 Lynchburg buying public because of a well known duel.
The ciphers were a game, "the game is worth the candle" and then there is the disclaimer: "I would say a word to those who may take an interest in them...It is, to devote only such time as can be spared from your legitimate business to the task, and if you can spare no time, LET THE MATTER ALONE".
The author, be it Ward, Sherman, Hutter, or a "committee" have plainly stated that the ciphers are a "game", and if one does not have the time, let it be, because it is only a local dime novel treasure story, and that was the understanding in 1885 Lynchburg.

Proof ?

 

[TN_Guest1523]

What is being sold ,how and why? No one lost a great treasure without contingencies and back up's to their back up's , or did they?
I-you-we would not lose one would we? Not easily. Though we could direct annoying attention to a property owners land by hinting. Or simply sell something to scratch up some coin. Or attempt a flushing out of a possible prior activity shadowed by a lack of info. or have a cover story
A convoluted con could cover all of the above.

First though an audience with a few coins is needed.
Note "ears" , they will come up repeatedly.

Treasure. Ears perk up, and you have a select audiences attention.
Now the sales tactic may very greatly.. you can provide a service in exchange , or run all the way to a full blown con.
Not ethical but a coarse approach is to first confuse your audience. The Beale papers do achieve that as apparently no one new it was there but the veil of ignorance is lifted and here it is in full account.(!)
Promoting a local lost treasure with new info to be released creates a dependency on you for more info..and ignites competition more than free shoelaces even, depending on the pitch..this one including newspaper adds to boot.
Next create a dependency. Already done.. Easy enough by being the exclusive source of further information to the confused.
Now make the sale. "Here's your copy".

A shell game comes to mind with the ciphers ,the story, and recent history of the writings time in it's accuracy inaccuracies and rumor.
Follow one or all and are we guessing or knowing which is which , separate or all together?
That name rings a bell says this pair of ears,that site sounds, no wait I know where that is says another ,ya I herd something about that event back when chimes in another pair.....

Whether some one buys into or is sold or by contact comes across the Beale papers and reads them....
For many of them afterwards , (after Wards) the name Beale will from then on will make their ears perk up and they will want more information.

Some one or a party missed out on sequels to sequels in the saga by/for the original party.....but not everyone did since , sort of; still.

Beale. Just a name ...but it pops up now and then and makes previously un itchy heads itch.

Don't chase it when your ears or eyes perk up or you'll just chase it more. And there is always more.

(Ignore the urge to click the link.)
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=beale epa

Proof ?

 

[releventchair]

Proof ?

Copy right protection, as in your case , does not allow. Everyone who chases Beale does so for a reason.
When some one claims they are only browsing they are still where they are for a reason. Now vulnerable to things studied and arranged to inspire impulse.
Do you chase the name Beale when encountered? If so , why? Not why for your own attempt to profit by it, but why did it continue from your first encounter? Was it something in the manner presented that sparked a weld , or fantasy of treasure...or both, or something/some one else's work/sale gotcha hooked? ....Take your time to answer.

To address the reasoning that no one or group would simply lose a treasure we have the reassurance there was a back up plan ...in Mr. Morris.
Now we are relieved of it being a clumsy hoax ,this treasure tale , right?
Never mind the time elapsing over running T.J.B.'s instruction to Morris by his simply "forgetting" about it , and the memorable figure(s) behind it. Morris's inattention span while still providing assurance the treasure was so valued a near stranger was entrusted with it's well being should those in the know evaporate without others knowing about the treasure.... gets our ears up though does it not?
The intervening years the box was forgotten reassures our dependence on the writer. It must surly be safe to pursue now...no one showed up to claim it all this time... or to defend it from plunder this very day!
You may or may not have more than one avenue allowing access in securing your high value cache(s) known should you disappear , though not all have throughout history succeeded. Yet here we have example of both cases ,well....is it or is it not a real treasure , reader?

If the papers are viewed as accurate in detail ...take pause and reflect on a treasures fate.
If not dispersed /distributed then it remains somewhere.
Should it remain the group involved would certainly , with the exposure through the papers and following information's ; re-squirreled it where no leads related to any papers would arrive any where near it/them.
In addition greater fragmentation could increase or reduce risk of loss ,but defended properly loss should not occur.

Proof the papers lead to treasure? A chance they hint of where something was does not prove anything when nothing tangible is presented in the way of "treasure" as a result of searches conducted where it was alleged to have been.. A will-o-the wisp pursuit results that way.

Not the only tale with searchers chasing it, but what is being chased that is catch-able in this one; the buyer or the seller?

 

[ECS]

Proof ?

You ask for proof from others, while you expect others to accept your cipher claims on faith.

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Copy right protection, as in your case , does not allow. Everyone who chases Beale does so for a reason.
When some one claims they are only browsing they are still where they are for a reason. Now vulnerable to things studied and arranged to inspire impulse.
Do you chase the name Beale when encountered? If so , why? Not why for your own attempt to profit by it, but why did it continue from your first encounter? Was it something in the manner presented that sparked a weld , or fantasy of treasure...or both, or something/some one else's work/sale gotcha hooked? ....Take your time to answer.

To address the reasoning that no one or group would simply lose a treasure we have the reassurance there was a back up plan ...in Mr. Morris.
Now we are relieved of it being a clumsy hoax ,this treasure tale , right?
Never mind the time elapsing over running T.J.B.'s instruction to Morris by his simply "forgetting" about it , and the memorable figure(s) behind it. Morris's inattention span while still providing assurance the treasure was so valued a near stranger was entrusted with it's well being should those in the know evaporate without others knowing about the treasure.... gets our ears up though does it not?
The intervening years the box was forgotten reassures our dependence on the writer. It must surly be safe to pursue now...no one showed up to claim it all this time... or to defend it from plunder this very day!
You may or may not have more than one avenue allowing access in securing your high value cache(s) known should you disappear , though not all have throughout history succeeded. Yet here we have example of both cases ,well....is it or is it not a real treasure , reader?

If the papers are viewed as accurate in detail ...take pause and reflect on a treasures fate.
If not dispersed /distributed then it remains somewhere.
Should it remain the group involved would certainly , with the exposure through the papers and following information's ; re-squirreled it where no leads related to any papers would arrive any where near it/them.
In addition greater fragmentation could increase or reduce risk of loss ,but defended properly loss should not occur.

Proof the papers lead to treasure? A chance they hint of where something was does not prove anything when nothing tangible is presented in the way of "treasure" as a result of searches conducted where it was alleged to have been.. A will-o-the wisp pursuit results that way.

Not the only tale with searchers chasing it, but what is being chased that is catch-able in this one; the buyer or the seller?

Well said all that you have !

 

[TN_Guest1523]

You ask for prof from others, while you expect others to accept your cipher claims on faith.

I don't expect anything, I have done what I have done bro .

 

[TN_Guest1523]

Copy right protection, as in your case , does not allow. Everyone who chases Beale does so for a reason.
When some one claims they are only browsing they are still where they are for a reason. Now vulnerable to things studied and arranged to inspire impulse.
Do you chase the name Beale when encountered? If so , why? Not why for your own attempt to profit by it, but why did it continue from your first encounter? Was it something in the manner presented that sparked a weld , or fantasy of treasure...or both, or something/some one else's work/sale gotcha hooked? ....Take your time to answer.

To address the reasoning that no one or group would simply lose a treasure we have the reassurance there was a back up plan ...in Mr. Morris.
Now we are relieved of it being a clumsy hoax ,this treasure tale , right?
Never mind the time elapsing over running T.J.B.'s instruction to Morris by his simply "forgetting" about it , and the memorable figure(s) behind it. Morris's inattention span while still providing assurance the treasure was so valued a near stranger was entrusted with it's well being should those in the know evaporate without others knowing about the treasure.... gets our ears up though does it not?
The intervening years the box was forgotten reassures our dependence on the writer. It must surly be safe to pursue now...no one showed up to claim it all this time... or to defend it from plunder this very day!
You may or may not have more than one avenue allowing access in securing your high value cache(s) known should you disappear , though not all have throughout history succeeded. Yet here we have example of both cases ,well....is it or is it not a real treasure , reader?

If the papers are viewed as accurate in detail ...take pause and reflect on a treasures fate.
If not dispersed /distributed then it remains somewhere.
Should it remain the group involved would certainly , with the exposure through the papers and following information's ; re-squirreled it where no leads related to any papers would arrive any where near it/them.
In addition greater fragmentation could increase or reduce risk of loss ,but defended properly loss should not occur.

Proof the papers lead to treasure? A chance they hint of where something was does not prove anything when nothing tangible is presented in the way of "treasure" as a result of searches conducted where it was alleged to have been.. A will-o-the wisp pursuit results that way.

Not the only tale with searchers chasing it, but what is being chased that is catch-able in this one; the buyer or the seller?

Funny thing is, that no one made money from the original pamphlet .

 

[ECS]

Funny thing is, that no one made money from the original pamphlet .

Which is evidence that the 1885 Lynchburg buying public didn't accept the Beale treasure story as true.
What was priced at 50 cents in the beginning, the price was latter dropped to 10 cents.