WARD BASED HIS STORY ON ORIGINAL "THE BEALE PAPERS" PUBLISHED 1850

[Rebel - KGC]

It seems that everyone,after reading the story of the Beale adventure,gets caught up with the ciphers,and the DOI solved cipher 2,missing the Masonic allusions,the anachronistic words and terms used,and the Confederate War reference.
The real clues may well be in the story itself to the other two ciphers.The provided DOI solution may have been employed as a diversion from the real "key".
Another aspect to look at,is the means,motive,and opportunity of those involved in the writing and publishing of the BEALE PAPERS-the Hutters,Sherman,and Ward.We know they had the means and opportunity,but what was the MOTIVE?
Most of the Beale story was "borrowed" from other sources,and pieced together into a treasure story,with one solved cipher,and two that have yet to be solved.
What was the MOTIVE behind the creation of the BEALE PAPERS?
That is what needs to be solved.

INTERESTING question...MOTIVE! "BP" does have at least 2 "parts"... 1819 + era, and the CONFEDERATE WAR. "JOB PRINT" (BEALE PAPERS) printed in 1885 Lynchburg, VIRGINIA leads me to believe that it is MAINLY War of Southern Independence (CW) era (parts of the CSA TREASURY), and War of American Independence/War of 1812 as FIRST part ("deposit"). DOI is from WAD, Paschal Buford had an American ARTILLERY Unit, down in New Orleans (War of 1812), and is buried near his home (City of the Dead) with CROSSED CANNON BARRELS ("X" marks the spot?) within "4 miles of Buford's". Anything else "under there"...? AND! Paschal was a PERSONAL friend of Gen. Robert E. Lee, who DID "over-nite" with him, a couple of times (once with his grand-daughter), after going up to SHARP TOP, Peaks of Otter (Viemeister - PEAKS OF OTTER). SECOND PART - The author of the BEALE PAPERS (aka "JOB PRINT"), FC Hutter died in 1885, and his cousin, JB Ward was his AGENT; HAD to release "cover-up info", so THE SECRET wouldn't "die" with him. Hutter's brother, ES HUTTER saved Vattel's LAW OF NATIONS (SECRET CSA book) from burning in Danville, Va. as the CONFEDERATE WAR was "winding down"); VLoN just may well be the "Code Book" for Beale Ciphers 1 & 3... dunno. According to SEVERAL sources, parts of the CSA TREASURY was deposited near Thaxton Switch (off-loaded there) on the Virginia & Tennessee Rail-"line", MAYBE moved up to the Peak of Otter area. SOME of the CSAT was utilized to rebuild Virginia Military Academy (dream of Thomas Jefferson, once) that yankee BLACK Dave Hunter was responsible for; CSA Gen. J. Early whipped Hunter's tail at the battle of Lynchburg, Va. Hunter's headquarter was at Sandusky, home of the Hutter (father - CS Hutter) family. At one time the Hutter family owned and lived in POPLAR FOREST, former home of Thomas Jefferson. SO! MOTIVE...? LOL! AND! Gen. Jubal Early (CSA) may be kin to Paschal Buford...

 

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[bigscoop]

Most of the Beale story was "borrowed" from other sources,and pieced together into a treasure story,with one solved cipher,and two that have yet to be solved.

"Borrowed"....did you find conclusive documentation of that or is that "circumstantial summary" your personal rabbit hole? Shoot, seems to me if everyone else is chasing rabbit holes based on circumstantial evidence....well....welcome to the club!

 

[ECS]

You all can disregard the "Job Print Pamphlet" the "Beale Treasure Story" and the "cipher codes" but... I will find it with the story given by the people in the "Job Print Pamphlet"

It is obvious that the details of the story were lifted and borrowed from E F Beale's 1850 memoirs-used as a literary device to make the tale realistic.That fact makes the expedition part of the story suspect.
From there it is not hard to suppose that the events related in the story concerning Morriss and Bedford County are also used as a literary device.
Yes there was a Beale,and yes there was a Morriss to give credence to the story,but their inclusion must be considered as the same fruit from a poisoned tree.
The DOI solution of C2 was provided by the author,but after 138 years trying, it is obvious that the DOI is not the "KEY" to C1 & C3.The "KEY" being in St Louis is just another subterfuge to make the story appear valid.
Once again,the Beale Phamphlet was published for sale 20 years after the end of the "Confederate War" ,and the motives behind those involved in its creation must be discovered.
I doubt that their motives were an altruistic gesture to aid strangers buying the pamphlet in finding treasure.That is not human nature.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Borrowed"....did you find conclusive documentation of that or is that "circumstantial summary" your personal rabbit hole? Shoot, seems to me if everyone else is chasing rabbit holes based on circumstantial evidence....well....welcome to the club!

Eh...? YOU, TOO...?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

HEY! Paschal Buford was born in 1791... wasn't Robert MORRIS...? Hmmm...

 

[ECS]

Edward Fitzgerald Beale(1822-1893) was a frontiersman who published his journals in 1850-"The Beale Papers",which are available from the LIBRARY of Congress.
The similarities between E F Beale's papers and Ward's pamphlet are hard to dismiss-here are just a few.
E F BEALE -1850 ----- ------- ----T J BEALE-1885 Ward's pamphlet
Started expedition in St Louis --- --- Left St Louis
Expedition had 30 men--- --- Expedition had 30 men
Went to Santa Fe --- --- Went to Santa Fe
Traveled in Colorado--- ---Found gold and silver in Colorado
Born in 1822 --- ---Letters to Morriss dated 1822,Ward born 1822
Published journal as "THE BEALE PAPERS"--- ---Ward pamphlet "THE BEALE PAPERS"
E F called "justley a lion" --- --- T J called "the Lion"
One journey listed as 1817 miles--- --- Started journey in 1817
Gold was NOT found by E F --- ---One of T J's men found the gold
Recieved $13,000 for an adventure--- --- Exchanged silver for $13,000 for transportation
Similar words and terms used in both "BEALE PAPERS"
EXACT LOCALITY
STAMPEDE
ABUNDANCE OF GAME
ACCESSION TO OUR NUMBERS
BUFFALOES
GRIZZLY BEARS
There are many others.
So the question arises-Happenstance,Coincidence,or Deliberate Plaglarism on the part of Ward to sell a concocted treasure story with one solved cipher solved,the other two unsolvable?
Or is the story a PERSHER CODE relating to a KGC treasure vault?

The "rabbit hole" reposted for Bigscoop.

 

[bigscoop]

Is that all you got? A few interesting comparisons. Interesting, sure, but it's pretty thin and it's just - "more circumstantial evidence". Not nearly enough there to assume what your suggesting to be the actual case. Take many of the western adventure books/novels from the same era and many of them could cover a great deal of the comparisons you present, especially true if we allow all of them up to say, the early 1880's. Not saying you're wrong, just saying...."it's just another rabbit hole" filled with assumptions, just like most the others. Yes? Or do you have some type of documentation, conclusive evidence, etc., the same type you require of all the other rabbit holes?

 

[ECS]

Not as thin as some other theories that have been proposed,Bigscoop.
During the 1870-85 several stories of gold and silver discoveries appeared in many newspapers in the east.Also buried jewel finds on old cilvil war farms made the papers.
April 16,1879,the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN ran the story of Robert O Willis's hidden treasure of $65,000 in gold,silver,and jewelry being found in a Kentucky cave.(Which of the cousins was involved with this paper,and wrote treasure stories that included ciphers?).
Another question is,Which cousin had an extensive home library that contained the 1850 Beale Papers and Poe's articles on ciphers,and may have used ciphers during the "Confederate War".
How many of the cousins were Freemasons?
Much more than mere coincidence,but the motive remains the mystery.
The real "rabbit hole" is the belief that the Beale Phamphlet is a true account of events that happened to the people in the Beale story.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

The "rabbit hole" reposted for Bigscoop.

INTERESTING possibility; don't think it was PERSHER CODE. I DO think that FC Hutter (CSA), author of BEALE PAPERS, DID use "inspirations" from that, EA Poe (GOLD BUG), John Sherman (writer of "Treasure Stories"; died at Western State Hospital in Staunton, Va. - committed previously as INSANE); PROBABLY written in 1882/83 or so, released by his AGENT & COUSIN, JB WARD in 1885... year that the AUTHOR, FC Hutter (CSA - PAYMASTER) DIED. By 1885, those words WERE in "common use". The other two ciphers were "ruses".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Not as thin as some other theories that have been proposed,Bigscoop.
During the 1870-85 several stories of gold and silver discoveries appeared in many newspapers in the east.Also buried jewel finds on old cilvil war farms made the papers.
April 16,1879,the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN ran the story of Robert O Willis's hidden treasure of $65,000 in gold,silver,and jewelry being found in a Kentucky cave.(Which of the cousins was involved with this paper,and wrote treasure stories that included ciphers?).
Another question is,Which cousin had an extensive home library that contained the 1850 Beale Papers and Poe's articles on ciphers,and may have used ciphers during the "Confederate War".
How many of the cousins were Freemasons?
Much more than mere coincidence,but the motive remains the mystery.
The real "rabbit hole" is the belief that the Beale Phamphlet is a true account of events that happened to the people in the Beale story.

John Sherman...? LOL!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Not as thin as some other theories that have been proposed,Bigscoop.
During the 1870-85 several stories of gold and silver discoveries appeared in many newspapers in the east.Also buried jewel finds on old cilvil war farms made the papers.
April 16,1879,the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN ran the story of Robert O Willis's hidden treasure of $65,000 in gold,silver,and jewelry being found in a Kentucky cave.(Which of the cousins was involved with this paper,and wrote treasure stories that included ciphers?).
Another question is,Which cousin had an extensive home library that contained the 1850 Beale Papers and Poe's articles on ciphers,and may have used ciphers during the "Confederate War".
How many of the cousins were Freemasons?
Much more than mere coincidence,but the motive remains the mystery.
The real "rabbit hole" is the belief that the Beale Phamphlet is a true account of events that happened to the people in the Beale story.

Robert O. Willis, 1879; hidden treasure in a cave in Kentucky... sounds like an assumed name of an outlaw, or member of a "cowboy" gang. We DO know that Frank James & family were living in Lynchburg, Va. when bro Jesse was "killed" out west. They lived between 5th Street, and the ARLINGTON HOTEL. Used name... JAMES WARREN; Frank James WAS a Freemason.

 

[bigscoop]

Which party to the Beale Papers had an uncle that was at Galveston Island, was involved in a secret transferring of gold from west to east at exactly the same period offered in the Beale Papers, lived in Bedford Co., and eventually moved from Bedford Co. to be near the Vine & Olive colony? This same person was also tied very strongly to several men - who in turn - were tied directly to Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, John Adams, and the Bonapartes. Letters exist between members of the Bonaparte family and heads of state concerning monies paid - some of these letter written directly from Richmond. Members of the Bonaparte family, as well as some of their most ardent and trusted associates, visited Liberty, Lynchburg, etc., and they were even still trying to buy property their as late as 1863, while they were in Richmond. And of course, there's a lot more, but if all of this is just another rabbit hole, then by comparison my friend, ESC, you're just starting to dig the first hole. Truth is, "all of it is the same rabbit hole" and they will continue to remain that way until the day something undeniable & conclusive comes along. Now then, anybody want a carrot?

 

[ECS]

Truth is, "all of it is the same rabbit hole" and they will continue to remain that way until the day something undeniable & conclusive comes along.

Truth is there is No hard evidence or proof that the events in the Beale Pamphlet,or the treasure ever existed outside of the pamphlet.
Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers.WHY? What was the motive?
So the BEALE PAMPHLET is:
1.True as written
2. A dime novel treasure story
3. A secret code for another(Bonaparte) hidden treasure
"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact"
"Eliminate all other factors,and the one that remains must be the truth"
Sherlock Holmes/Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
What always remains is the involvement of the Hutters,Ward,& Sherman.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Truth is there is No hard evidence or proof that the events in the Beale Pamphlet,or the treasure ever existed outside of the pamphlet.
Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers.WHY? What was the motive?
So the BEALE PAMPHLET is:
1.True as written
2. A dime novel treasure story
3. A secret code for another(Bonaparte) hidden treasure
"There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact"
"Eliminate all other factors,and the one that remains must be the truth"
Sherlock Holmes/Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
What always remains is the involvement of the Hutters,Ward,& Sherman.

John Sherman...? WHY...? AGREE with the Hutters & Ward... COUSINS!

 

[bigscoop]

Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers.

"Truth is"....it's funny how you are so willing to recognize "the truth" as being something you only believe to be the truth, but can't even begin to conclusively prove. Point is, and it is one you are simply missing out of personal convenience, "Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers".....is just another theory based on assumption, speculation, and a tad bit of circumstantial evidence, "just like all the other theories out there." A truth is something you can conclusively prove, and not just something you can claim to be the truth.

A) You're only assuming that Hutter had anything to do with the pamphlet at all.
B) You're only assuming that Ward and Sherman had anything at all to do with the actual creation of the story.

Thus, by your own measuring stick, it's just another rabbit hole filled with speculation and assumption. In the end Holmes/Doyle were always able to conclusively prove their assumed speculations and assumptions...which then, and only then, turned them into "truths". i.e...."welcome to the rabbit hole club."

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"Truth is"....it's funny how you are so willing to recognize "the truth" as being something you only believe to be the truth, but can't even begin to conclusively prove. Point is, and it is one you are simply missing out of personal convenience, "Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers".....is just another theory based on assumption, speculation, and a tad bit of circumstantial evidence, "just like all the other theories out there." A truth is something you can conclusively prove, and not just something you can claim to be the truth.

A) You're only assuming that Hutter had anything to do with the pamphlet at all.
B) You're only assuming that Ward and Sherman had anything at all to do with the actual creation of the story.

Thus, by your own measuring stick, it's just another rabbit hole filled with speculation and assumption. In the end Holmes/Doyle were always able to conclusively prove their assumed speculations and assumptions...which then, and only then, turned them into "truths". i.e...."welcome to the rabbit hole club."

LOL! KEY word... is "CREATION" of the "story"; WHAT "story"...? I DO think that the Hutters & Ward (cousins) were on the INNER CIRCLE, creating "BP" in 1882, at the ARLINGTON; NOT sure about John Sherman. Frank James was ALSO in Lynchburg, Va. then... as James Warren; Gen. Jubal Early, Gen. T.T. Munford, Sgt. Newton Hazlewood... ALL CSA REBELs, who NEVER surrendered... some of 'em FREEMASONS; Frank James/James Warren LATER became W.T. Wright, a SENTINEL living in Upper Goose Creek Valley. Wright had scars on his body (Frank James was a DOCTOR), and was a FREEMASON (had ring,too), telling doctor that he was a member of the YOUNGER Gang of Out-laws (Younger-James Gang...?). W.T. "BUCK" Wright was known as the MYSTERY MAN of Upper Goose Creek Valley; ANOTHER Sentinel was "BEAR" Tolley, buried near Buchanan, Va. They were TRUE, REAL Mountain Men!

 

[ECS]

THE GAME IS AFOOT!

"Truth is"....it's funny how you are so willing to recognize "the truth" as being something you only believe to be the truth, but can't even begin to conclusively prove. Point is, and it is one you are simply missing out of personal convenience, "Truth is that the Hutters,Ward,and Sherman WERE involved in the creation of the Beale Papers".....is just another theory based on assumption, speculation, and a tad bit of circumstantial evidence, "just like all the other theories out there."...

A) You're only assuming that Hutter had anything to do with the pamphlet at all.
B) You're only assuming that Ward and Sherman had anything at all to do with the actual creation of the story.

Well,can anyone conclusively prove that they DID NOT have anything to do with the actual creation of the Beale story?
Can anyone prove, conclusively prove that someone else was involved with the actual creation of the Beale story?
...or for that matter if the Beale expedition actually happened,or that the treasure actually existed?
As hard as one tries to fit various people and historical events into the Beale story,that attempt always falls short-is never quite right.
So we return to my original question:
WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE FOR WRITING AND PUBLISHING THE BEALE PAPERS IN 1885?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL! Create a COVER-STORY for the CSA TREASURY!

 

[bigscoop]

Well,can anyone conclusively prove that they DID NOT have anything to do with the actual creation of the Beale story?
Can anyone prove, conclusively prove that someone else was involved with the actual creation of the Beale story?
...or for that matter if the Beale expedition actually happened,or that the treasure actually existed?
As hard as one tries to fit various people and historical events into the Beale story,that attempt always falls short-is never quite right.
So we return to my original question:
WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE FOR WRITING AND PUBLISHING THE BEALE PAPERS IN 1885?

lol....now you're getting it....nobody can conclusively prove which rabbit hole is the correct one. So, no "truth" to any of them, yet.

As for motive,....a few possibilities do exist, and the one I believe to be accurate,....it was simply a means of rattling the bushes some 60 years after the fact. Someone was desperately looking for something, i.e., "an unintelligible piece of paper" (singular) in the only place it was still likely to be found.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

lol....now you're getting it....nobody can conclusively prove which rabbit hole is the correct one. So, no "truth" to any of them, yet.

As for motive,....a few possibilities do exist, and the one I believe to be accurate,....it was simply a means of rattling the bushes some 60 years after the fact. Someone was desperately looking for something, i.e., "an unintelligible piece of paper" (singular) in the only place it was still likely to be found.

"60 years, after the FACT"...?