Vietnam Vet Denied Second Amendment Right

[Rebel - KGC]

I know better the faults of the VA then both of you. Believe me, You speak rumors of what happens there and I have experienced it first hand. That is why I no longer work for them. However, my concern is not for the VA system as a whole. It has failed...we all know that. My concern is to help the individuals that cross paths with my own. Rebel and I are here to help. Enough said...use us as a resource for healing or discard us. You will not find too many more Americans who offer what we do for free. I have never faced the incoming fire of enemy combatants; but, if you think I do not know trauma...well...

Crispin

Ps. Respect Dano! He is your brother in arms.

AND! STOP whining about the 2nd Amendment... YOUR PTSD & adjustment in the "here & now" is MORE important.

 

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[Rebel - KGC]

ALSO; See the person rather than focus on DISABILITY... NATIONALITY, etc. PTSD, TRAUMA, VICARIOUS TRAUMA affects EVERYONE in some significant way; American, Canadian, Brit, et al.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

PERSONAL story; I was Administrator in MAX Security prison (I am repeating this AGAIN... LAST time); @ 25 years ago. Had a 38 snub nose & weapon permit from Commonwealth of Virginia. Had Weapon training (gun range at prison... LOL!) on my "38", AR-15, and 12 Gauge "pump"; loved the AR-15. After TBI, Neuro-Doc said NO MORE; went on DISBILITY-Retirement from Commonwealth of Virginia. Call from prison, turn "38" back in; I did; don't care. I know now why owning a pistol (Va. has "open-carry" and CCW) is NOT "good for me"...
AND! I am sure that I could be an excellent "shot" on the range (cognitive, visual, & physical skills are intact)... BUT! The way some ppl drive today, wish I had a gun, to BLOW THEM AWAY! HA! SIMPLE "reactive behavior" of AGGRESSION, NOT appropriate "in the long-run"... LEGALLY! ALL due to TBI; (I have GREAT Impulse Control).

PS. Before wife & I were married (we met at the prison... LOL! Got along BETTER with the inmates than staff... ); wife's father was retired Lt. Col. of Maryland State Police. Her brother was ALSO MSP; both had guns all over the house, and HER MSP brother was ALSO K-9 "handler". Then I had a gun in the house... LOL! Had to teach her to shoot empty milk jugs on our pond with MY 22 Long Rifle, (she was afraid of guns...). SO! POINT - for ME... TBI & guns, NOT a "good mix".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Dr. "C". if you & you family are now in Va. Beach, Va. you have a LARGE "clientele" service area; Norfolk Navy Base... LOTS of Viet Nam Vets, wife & I met (we were members of V V A # 96; ASSOCIATES of the year in 2000 for the work we did for the Vets FREE! AFTER our experience, we created TRAUMA RESOURCES MINISTRY; did EVERYTHING for 'em, FREE! Had a Web-site of E-Resources; grew into BRAIN INJURY NETWORK of Bedford County, Va.; with a web-site BOTH 501 (c) (e) and got some grants for creating pamphlets about TBI; with focus on BLAST-INJURIES. We are STILL involved, locally as the HOPE Network; (H = Help, O = Our, P = PEOPLE, E = Endure) V. A. has Vets; we have Vets families (Vicarious Trauma). Wife is CURRENTLY working on THE HEALED PROJECT; she has web-site: HOPE NETWORK, INC @ Welcome to The Hope Network - Providing spiritual support, hope and healing to survivors of crisis.

 

[packerbacker]

Rebel......I don't agree that Crit Recovery feels "EMPOWERED" by the gun as much as he feels he is much less a helpless VICTIM with one. Should the vet that is the subject of this thread ever need a gun, I have a few he can choose from. I would also trust him more with my back than I would the highest ranked law enforcement person in this country.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Rebel......I don't agree that Crit Recovery feels "EMPOWERED" by the gun as much as he feels he is much less a helpless VICTIM with one. Should the vet that is the subject of this thread ever need a gun, I have a few he can choose from. I would also trust him more with my back than I would the highest ranked law enforcement person in this country.

DON'T remember "saying" that... WHERE?

 

[packerbacker]

page 3 I think

 

[packerbacker]

Yep, page 3. QUOTE: That IS a painful memory for you; and yes, the war between the 2 beliefs in Islam has caused a SCHISM... HOWEVER! YOUR "solution" is NOT conducive to YOUR Recovery; I DO understand your "reactions" for "self-defense", tho. You feel EMPOWERED by your gun.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Yep, page 3. QUOTE: That IS a painful memory for you; and yes, the war between the 2 beliefs in Islam has caused a SCHISM... HOWEVER! YOUR "solution" is NOT conducive to YOUR Recovery; I DO understand your "reactions" for "self-defense", tho. You feel EMPOWERED by your gun.

YEP! Found it; "Post" # 58; CR would have to answer to that...

 

[0121stockpicker]

Feeling "empowered" by an inanimate object is a sad thing.

 

[packerbacker]

All due respect Rebel, I believe it is you that used the term "EMPOWERED".
Yes, to feel "empowered" by an inanimate object is a sad thing. It spreads through our elected officials like the plague nowdays. Try getting a large soda in NYC. They believe they are "empowered" instead of "elected" and they know best how to govern your every movement, one movement at a time.
A gun does not "empower" a person any more than pepper spray, tasers, kung fu or any other means someone uses for self defense. Why is someone described as "feeling empowered" if they choose to carry a gun? I think it's the common misconception often used to make pro-gun people look like a bunch of gun-crazed hillbillies. What should we call those that carry pepper spray?....................paranoid?, scitso?, sickos?, empowered?, loonies?, survivalists?, nutjobs?,....or should we just say they have a means to possibly ward off an attack should the need arise?

 

[0121stockpicker]

All due respect Rebel, I believe it is you that used the term "EMPOWERED".
Yes, to feel "empowered" by an inanimate object is a sad thing. It spreads through our elected officials like the plague nowdays. Try getting a large soda in NYC. They believe they are "empowered" instead of "elected" and they know best how to govern your every movement, one movement at a time.
A gun does not "empower" a person any more than pepper spray, tasers, kung fu or any other means someone uses for self defense. Why is someone described as "feeling empowered" if they choose to carry a gun? I think it's the common misconception often used to make pro-gun people look like a bunch of gun-crazed hillbillies. What should we call those that carry pepper spray?....................paranoid?, scitso?, sickos?, empowered?, loonies?, survivalists?, nutjobs?,....or should we just say they have a means to possibly ward off an attack should the need arise?

No need to get defensive. I don't think anyone was talking about you personally. At least I wasn't. And it does not make something correct just because someone else is doing it. "Well the politicians are doing it!" And certainly I never described someone with a gun as "feeling empowered". As you can see from above I do not believe a gun or any other object is "empowering" in reality - generally only in people's minds.

 

[packerbacker]

picker, I think the word "empower" is the culprit here. To declare that someone feels "empowered" by whatever object, animate or inanimate, they have is a negative connotation used to describe that individual as having some sort of domination affliction. Let's face it, a person with a gun has some power as does a person with a taser, a person with a knife or a very large, muscular individual challenging a small, petite female. It's like describing someone as "insecure". Insecure sounds negative but, if you lock the doors to your home, aren't you insecure in one way or another? If someone were breaking down my door right now I have the "capability" of stopping him/them. I guess you could then call me "capable". You could also say that I have the "power" to stop them which could also describe me as "empowered" could it not? I would have the power to protect myself, not my power, the power of the gun. The gun does not give me a false identity of me being powerful, just capable given the power of the gun. Please sort that out for me will ya?
Where the hell is Spart?.....is he in timeout?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

if you don't see this is troubling when looking at the history of manipulation of control by government entities, I can't make it plainer.

I think its extremely troubling.

 

[0121stockpicker]

picker, I think the word "empower" is the culprit here. To declare that someone feels "empowered" by whatever object, animate or inanimate, they have is a negative connotation used to describe that individual as having some sort of domination affliction. Let's face it, a person with a gun has some power as does a person with a taser, a person with a knife or a very large, muscular individual challenging a small, petite female. It's like describing someone as "insecure". Insecure sounds negative but, if you lock the doors to your home, aren't you insecure in one way or another? If someone were breaking down my door right now I have the "capability" of stopping him/them. I guess you could then call me "capable". You could also say that I have the "power" to stop them which could also describe me as "empowered" could it not? I would have the power to protect myself, not my power, the power of the gun. The gun does not give me a false identity of me being powerful, just capable given the power of the gun. Please sort that out for me will ya?
Where the hell is Spart?.....is he in timeout?

Totally understand. I just get very nervous of the folks who get the gun for the "bad empower" reason!!

 

[Dano Sverige]

Nah, spart's working a lot i think and bored with us all.

Packer mate - There's no denying that most people, especially those never brought up around guns, get a feeling from picking up say a .357 for the first time. And it IS a feeling of power. It's not really about what that gun can do, but more about what it COULD do for them. The weight, the sleekness, the feel of cold steel and raw power, the feeling of security, amongst other things. I'd say many feel "empowered" when handling a gun yes.
Most Brit' kids grow up surrounded by guns, but it's all tv, films, console games, or even replica guns. They've never seen a real gun, or if they have it's been some small calibre eastern European made rubbish that are the usual guns over there. Put that gorgeous, blue black, heavy .357 into his hand....and he'll feel like a God!
Same goes for anyone very used to guns. Take an American cops gun away from him and send him out to do his job for a day. He'll be terrified! The loss of that subconcious weight and security on his hip would be overpowering, as the saying goes "I feel naked without my gun".

A gun gives a feeling like nothing else does to some people.No knife or bat can ever have the same feeling of power or sense of security that a gun gives. JMHO.

 

[packerbacker]

Excuse me Dano, I have a sudden desire to get into the gun safe. I'll be right back

 

[Dano Sverige]

I think its extremely troubling.

Hey BCH mate. I thought you'd left the site. Good to see you're still around and hope you're well. I should come back to the "what is it" forum. Safer and no political stuff there! lol.


Don't forget tissues Packer :P

 

[releventchair]

There may be a vet who should not have a weapon. I don,t know one myself in that position,nor do i work with them to know of any confirmed as such by qualified person(s).
But similar to Dano suggesting a cop work with out condition of his normal piece,vets looking at not being allowed one when its the preferred choice through training and experience , and familiar for chaotic and dangerous situations ,would be unsettling. heck it bothers civilians who have not lived depending on it.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL! ONLY CR can answer the "question"; I use the word, EMPOWER b/c THAT is what I do. We ALL may have different definitions of the word, I guess; I will continue to use it... BECAUSE I CAN!