Video - Journey to the Bat Cave

[Las Vegas Bob]

Hello RG1976

Thank you for the film both Clips. I enjoyed them both, it provokes a lot points.....

Your clip highlighted the manipulation of a new breed film makers that have crept into documentary production these days. As for me it answers at lot of questions how Documentary makers can really butcher at story. I notice there has been a flood of documentary makers contacting Tnet in last few years all hyped about making treasure documentaries. But sadly they are producing very poor quality programs lacking Substance. For them the treasure was quick buck from the networks rather than quality.

Sadly this I feel in time, many of these cheap and nasty so called reality docs will having detrimental affects on people who do real research. Just as the cheap and nasty books written by authors on treasure in 1930's for a quick buck did to treasure researchers.

Denigrating the topic to the point where all legends treasure legends becomes seen as the Provence of the lunatic fringe. Thus frightening away serious interest by archeologists, historians and serious researchers thus losing a crucial research component in a phenomenon that has been part of our history for thousands of years.

Crow

My thoughts exactly.

 

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[Las Vegas Bob]

Great work, really enjoyed the video, great commentary as well.

 

[azblackbird]

I will say that the cave you found was very possibly made by the hand of man simply because no water staining was visible on its roof that would have allowed for it to form as a natural cave.

Not a chance it's man made. Remember... that area was highly volcanic several millions of years ago. You're going to have pockets/caves etc here and there where the lava cooled or flowed over/under various other stata or formations. In addition to that, add in some major flooding and water movement and that's how you get your divots, caves, and huge boulders out in the middle of nowhere. Like I said, trying to figure out mother nature and her quirky ways are what spawned many a career.

 

[UncleMatt]

I'm talking about the smaller cave he found while hiking up, NOT the bat cave. I'll stick by my opinion on that cave.

 

[azblackbird]

I'm talking about the smaller cave he found while hiking up, NOT the bat cave. I'll stick by my opinion on that cave.

My bad, I thought you were referring to the bat cave. The little pocket cave/mine was man made. Obviously somebody saw something that was worth digging for. I would be curious to know what the country rock was and if there was a mineralized vein of some sort.

 

[Eldo]

it was a great video all around, nice recovery on the slide.....

talus and broken rocks always got my shins when climbing queen creek and apache lake stuff.

its sharp as a razor and brittle

liked the rock formations and walls, waterstreaks and the massive overhangs are nice to monkey around on

you should get into rock climbing

 

[Klems]

Great video Ryan, I would most definitely rather watch this than anything made by a production company. You tell it how it is and leave out all the drama. Please do keep making more, I'm interested in what else you may find!

-Kevin

 

[Old]

Thanks Ryan,

I'm honored you took extra time with the cable. That's neat. Thank you very much.

 

[Lisarez66]

Wait, throwing a rock into tall grass, checking for rattlesnakes. There has to be a better way. Really does it work?

 

[cw0909]

Ryan, enjoy your videos, was wondering about this rock, maybe you
have a better high def img, you can get off your phone, it looks like
carving,head looking rock in background, prob graffiti someones int.
the rock in the foreground looks like an animal stained/painted
@ about 12:32 in your vid

closer

 

[azdave35]

Wait, throwing a rock into tall grass, checking for rattlesnakes. There has to be a better way. Really does it work?

use your walking stick and rattle the bushes in front of you as you walk...just remember rattlers dont always rattle

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

Wait, throwing a rock into tall grass, checking for rattlesnakes. There has to be a better way. Really does it work?

I never go hiking without a walking stick. However in regards to your question. If a snake is in there and if the rock hits any where near it the snake is startled and should rattle. However I have seen Mojave Greens strike with out making a sound, so it could go either way some snakes are just meaner then others.

 

[azdave35]

I never go hiking without a walking stick. However in regards to your question. If a snake is in there and if the rock hits any where near it the snake is startled and should rattle. However I have seen Mojave Greens strike with out making a sound, so it could go either way some snakes are just meaner then others.

yep....i've seen a few mean aggressive snakes but a walking stick and a pair of snake guards will make you pretty snake proof

 

[deducer]

I walk with a telescopic carbon-fiber walking stick and like to whack the bushes ahead of me before I put my foot in there.

 

[Garry]

Guano is not a mineral.

I'm no expert on mining claims but I did a quick google check and found the following excerpt from an internet document.

Mineral Information Service
State of California Division of Mines
Volume 13 No. 4 - April 1960
Mining Claims under Public Law 167

"To gain legal right to a bat guano deposit, a location notice must be filed with the county recorder (of the county wherein the deposit lies) in the normal manner for locating any mineral deposit on public land."

It just seems that an interested party might be able to find who built the ladder and when the ladder was built and how long the claim was in operation.

I suspect it is a lot easier and more fun to just speculate.

Garry

 

[RG1976]

I'm no expert on mining claims but I did a quick google check and found the following excerpt from an internet document.

Mineral Information Service
State of California Division of Mines
Volume 13 No. 4 - April 1960
Mining Claims under Public Law 167

"To gain legal right to a bat guano deposit, a location notice must be filed with the county recorder (of the county wherein the deposit lies) in the normal manner for locating any mineral deposit on public land."

It just seems that an interested party might be able to find who built the ladder and when the ladder was built and how long the claim was in operation.

I suspect it is a lot easier and more fun to just speculate.

Garry

I nominate @Hal Croves He loves doing that type of stuff

 

[RG1976]

Wait, throwing a rock into tall grass, checking for rattlesnakes. There has to be a better way. Really does it work?

I thankfully cannot tell you if it works or not, because I have yet to see any snakes on any of my adventures *knock on wood*

The only thing I can confirm is that when you throw the rocks in the grass - the lizards run out pretty quick - so I imagine a snake would make it self known as well.

I haven't ever used a walking stick before - but see a lot of people that do. Perhaps I should look into it!

 

[deducer]

The Pacific Guano company was pretty active in Arizona, I believe. Might be worth researching to see if they contracted with anyone working out of the Supes.

 

[deducer]

I haven't ever used a walking stick before - but see a lot of people that do. Perhaps I should look into it!

Highly recommended, especially a collapsible carbon-fiber or aluminum one. It has multiple uses- for checking out holes, turning things over, and poking bushes. I've also found it useful for navigating very steep terrain; it's almost like a third leg.

 

[azblackbird]

I'm no expert on mining claims but I did a quick google check and found the following excerpt from an internet document.

Even though you may still have to file a notice of location, guano is not a locatable mineral like gold is, and thus any claims are not patentable. It is a leasable product (phosphate) in which you pay royalties to the county, state, and feds. With gold you pay no royalties. That's the difference.