victorian picture hanger- thanks Lucas, DCMatt, Erik, turtlefoot, & many others

[umrgolf]

victorian picture hanger- thanks Lucas, DCMatt, Erik, turtlefoot, & many others

thanks BCH, Crusader, SS, tinpan, and the rest who put time into helping to solve... appreciated

 

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[dg39]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

Scissor hanger.
DG

 

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[IronSpike]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

Scissor hanger.
DG

Letter opener?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I see the green check but can someone post a pic of a scissor hanger.

If it is a scissor hanger, what is the purpose of crimping it on the bottom?

 

[umrgolf]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I see the green check but can someone post a pic of a scissor hanger.

If it is a scissor hanger, what is the purpose of crimping it on the bottom?

I would post a pic but I don't have a pair of the old-style sewing scissors.. Now that you bring it up, it doesn't make any sense

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I see the green check but can someone post a pic of a scissor hanger.

If it is a scissor hanger, what is the purpose of crimping it on the bottom?

I would post a pic but I don't have a pair of the old-style sewing scissors.. Now that you bring it up, it doesn't make any sense

Were doe's the Crown come into scissor hanger

SS

 

[umrgolf]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I see the green check but can someone post a pic of a scissor hanger.

If it is a scissor hanger, what is the purpose of crimping it on the bottom?

I would post a pic but I don't have a pair of the old-style sewing scissors.. Now that you bring it up, it doesn't make any sense

Were doe's the Crown come into scissor hanger

SS

guess that one adds up about as much as the crimping on the bottom.. both completely unnecessary to hang scissors

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I see the green check but can someone post a pic of a scissor hanger.

If it is a scissor hanger, what is the purpose of crimping it on the bottom?

I would post a pic but I don't have a pair of the old-style sewing scissors.. Now that you bring it up, it doesn't make any sense

Were doe's the Crown come into scissor hanger

SS

guess that one adds up about as much as the crimping on the bottom.. both completely unnecessary to hang scissors

would it not guide the scissors shut

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

would it not guide the scissors shut

It may be a scissor hanger but I would like to see a pair of scissors inserted into this item to see how it fits and then try to hang it up. IMO we should not green check this item without testing to see if scissors will fit or posting a supporting link or matching (scissor hanger) picture. At this point its only a theory, nothing proven. To me it looks like crimps. Also it must be for a tiny bladed scissor.

I love to learn but without at least a matching pic, I have learned nothing. The only links/pics posted are of picture hangers. I tried googling Theodor Kocher and rabbit stringer but cant find anything similar.

 

[umrgolf]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

would it not guide the scissors shut

It may be a scissor hanger but I would like to see a pair of scissors inserted into this item to see how it fits and then try to hang it up. IMO we should not green check this item without testing to see if scissors will fit or posting a supporting link or matching (scissor hanger) picture. At this point its only a theory, nothing proven. To me it looks like crimps. Also a tiny blade scissor.

I agree it would guide the scissors shut Cru, but it would be a terrible design... wouldn't you want it towards the end of the blade to also keep you from stabbing yourself.. and i don't think free-hanging scissors would need a guide to keep them shut? I wish I had a pair of old scissors like that to test it

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

Im searching a bit. So far I found this 1915 patent. http://www.google.com/patents?id=_l...e=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=true

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

another http://www.google.com/patents?id=Ad...=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

because 2 of these items have been found, I believe we will find an ID.

 

[umrgolf]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

another http://www.google.com/patents?id=Ad...=gbs_selected_pages&cad=1#v=onepage&q&f=false

because 2 of these items have been found, I believe we will find an ID.

thanks for the links... after looking at these pictures, I would definitely have to say scissors hanger, but the design is so odd a VERY ornate piece just to hold scissors..

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

I dont think its a scissor hanger. Neither patents have the bottom crimps. I do not believe scissors will easily slide into this item and it doesnt have the belt clip bend on top..

 

[umrgolf]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

I dont think its a scissor hanger. Neither patents have the bottom crimps. I do not believe scissors will easily slide into this item and it doesnt have the belt clip bend on top..

I think that it used to be just like the one tomlinson found and added to the thread and mine's just flattened out? dg39 seemed to be pretty certain? I just think this one might be a bit older than the one's in the links you posted.. The spot where I found it had very little post- civil war recoveries

 

[Silver Searcher]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

I dont think its a scissor hanger. Neither patents have the bottom crimps. I do not believe scissors will easily slide into this item and it doesnt have the belt clip bend on top..

I think that it used to be just like the one tomlinson found and added to the thread and mine's just flattened out? dg39 seemed to be pretty certain? I just think this one might be a bit older than the one's in the links you posted.. The spot where I found it had very little post- civil war recoveries

I agree with BigC :P I believe that this is a part of something else, that went on Horse tack...perhaps a Dagger Hanger, the bottom part is were a strap went through

SS

 

[tinpan]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

I dont think its a scissor hanger. Neither patents have the bottom crimps. I do not believe scissors will easily slide into this item and it doesnt have the belt clip bend on top..

I think that it used to be just like the one tomlinson found and added to the thread and mine's just flattened out? dg39 seemed to be pretty certain? I just think this one might be a bit older than the one's in the links you posted.. The spot where I found it had very little post- civil war recoveries

I agree with BigC :P I believe that this is a part of something else, that went on Horse tack...perhaps a Dagger Hanger, the bottom part is were a strap went through

SS

Did 19th century foundry owners have a makers mark or is the crown from the kindom of what ?
19th century scissors were quite large and thick . The mount may have been a seperate piece.

tinpan

 

[tinpan]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

would it not guide the scissors shut

It may be a scissor hanger but I would like to see a pair of scissors inserted into this item to see how it fits and then try to hang it up. IMO we should not green check this item without testing to see if scissors will fit or posting a supporting link or matching (scissor hanger) picture. At this point its only a theory, nothing proven. To me it looks like crimps. Also it must be for a tiny bladed scissor.

I love to learn but without at least a matching pic, I have learned nothing. The only links/pics posted are of picture hangers. I tried googling Theodor Kocher and rabbit stringer but cant find anything similar.

Don,t for get too try a pair of 19th century scissors as modern ones are smaller and shorter. Theodor Kocher,s father was an engineer and he was a swiss doctor who won a Nobleprize for medicine and designed the idea of a scissor holder for surgery and was used later in other applications like dress making and kitchen Not sure if the crown makers mark is swiss But there is a swiss company called crown that makes a lot of different things.

tinpan

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

would it not guide the scissors shut

It may be a scissor hanger but I would like to see a pair of scissors inserted into this item to see how it fits and then try to hang it up. IMO we should not green check this item without testing to see if scissors will fit or posting a supporting link or matching (scissor hanger) picture. At this point its only a theory, nothing proven. To me it looks like crimps. Also it must be for a tiny bladed scissor.

I love to learn but without at least a matching pic, I have learned nothing. The only links/pics posted are of picture hangers. I tried googling Theodor Kocher and rabbit stringer but cant find anything similar.

Don,t for get too try a pair of 19th century scissors as modern ones are smaller and shorter. Theodor Kocher,s father was an engineer and he was a swiss doctor who won a Nobleprize for medicine and designed the idea of a scissor holder for surgery and was used later in other applications like dress making and kitchen Not sure if the crown makers mark is swiss But there is a swiss company called crown that makes a lot of different things.

tinpan

Firstly, I don't know for sure what this is, its the first one I have seen, I just like Tinpan's explaination, just makes sense to me. The crown (& this looks quite generic) was used on all sorts of pieces as a kind of quality mark as well as many other reasons, one mentioned above. It doesn't need to be related in any way. Why do some Buttons for example have them...(shows they are of British origin (or Royal backing) or other country, but not that they are Royal or Military or much else)

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics..

Don,t for get too try a pair of 19th century scissors as modern ones are smaller and shorter.

I like the scissor idea but I just dont think a pair of scissors will fit into the bottom crimp. Its less than a 1/4 inch wide and very tight. To try and slide into this crimp would be hard to do in my opinion and I think we will realize this as soon as someone is curious enough to try it.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: British Sword hanger? NEW pics.. solved, scissors hanger, thanks tinpan

I wish I had a pair of old scissors like that to test it

Are older scissors that much different? Why dont you try a modern pair just for fun or is it too much trouble for you? Who knows, maybe we will learn something. Are you not even a bit curious?


If someone could overlay an old scissor pic over this item, Ill bet it wont fit. I dont know how to do it. I would just like to see this item solved before it fades away.