US Marine Questions Narrative Behind Chris Kyle Murder

[0121stockpicker]

The same men you keep putting down gave us freedom of speech, the press, religion, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to a trial by a jury of our peers, the right to a lawyer, the right to a reasonable bail, right to a speedy trial among the other rights in our BoR they gave us so yes we consider them extraordinary men to be revered and honored through out the rest of our history.

Completely agree with you. Just a stickler for the truth no matter how the cards fall.

As one of my military buddies always says - one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Best.

 

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[63bkpkr]

0121,
Please look at the very end of my comment as it reads IMHO, so what I wrote is my opinion. The beginning of the U.S.A. was a lot better than what was just behind those folks, allowing for some greed by the "colonists" and likely some of the signers of the early historical documents that started this democracy. History has been replete with 'Robber Barons', political types who had no scruples. "We The People" of this country have always been worked over for a loss by the Elite of Society which, is why they had "near sex" under the presidents desk, but hey I'm no better than that. The founders of this country, I happen to love this country but not the politicians of either parties D or R, brought about a "thing" that grew and yes ugliness grew right along with the good but we've reached a tipping point and I believe "the government" realizes it as well and that is exactly why They and especially the Democrats are out to remove firearms from the hands of the citizens of this country. Notice I said I believe, IMHO.

I've had to deal with some of the low echelon of the present government recently and when I see Forest Rangers, you know Smokey The Bears Friends, as people to distrust things are not good. Oh, and by the way they deserve that distrust feeling as the ugliness they've brought into the forests is not good for the collective "US". Okay, I can see flames starting here on my part so I'm going to cut this short - The Elite and "the little people" at the start of the U.S.A. as well as the Elite and "the little people" of today are still at odds with what is right. Some on both sides are scum. Some on both sides are wonderful folks. So why is it that this Great Country is just about to fail? A little sneeze in the wrong direction and the dominoes of the financial instability of this country will all fall down and then you'd better be armed cause it ain't gonna be pretty! ALL of us need to earn what we have as there is no free lunch as when those who have the money run out of it or just leave with it there will be trouble in river city! I hope we can all calm down about my post. Again, IMHO.............63bkpkr

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

You bring up a really good point here! So far, treatment of PTSD has been waiting for Sh*t to happen and then trying to help people in the aftermath. I have no training in how to prevent PTSD in veterans going off to combat, but I have a ton of training in how to treat them when they come back.

Perhaps, you are on to something here. Anybody know anything about training for active duty military to deal with trauma prior to being exposed?

Fact is you can train someone for just about anything and any scenerio, but when it comes down to the meat and potatos of reallity it is a different ball game. People, and soldiers only have an immagination of what it would be like or what they "THINK" they may do and how they would react to it. But when crap hits the fan and one is in some serious engagements, the mentallity totally changes from before. Few deal with it in a different light, (I was taught from a Viet Nam vet who did 4 tours told me to pretty much but it in a box and forget about it and open it up on your death bed and make peace with it then), you are here to do one thing. Go back home alive to your family at all costs!

Of course this was in 1991 when I had my deal and the long term Viet Nam tour vet talked to me and there was long conversation as to the outcome of everything. In the first situation, yes, I was a bit scared, but who isn't when you got someone trying to take your life?

I preformed as I was trained, all reaction, no time to think about what was happening at the time, just doing what I was required and come out of it alive. After things calmed down is when it hit me what happened that day and what I did. I stared, I didn't speak to anyone, I wanted to be alone, but one of my team mates a Viet Nam vet saw me and tried talking to me and ended up I opened up and told him what was bothering me. He mentored me into coming back to reality and doing what I was trained to do after talking for a few hours, then I was good to go again.

This was a Viet Nam vet that taught me this as he had way worse engagements I or even anyone else could have ever imagined! The Viet Nam vet did 4 tours in Viet Nam and got shot up in the process on his last 2 tours but went back after he healed to go on another tour, I mean shot up pretty bad on both his last 2 tours, that anyone with those type of wounds would certainly be dead. I saw his battle scars, bullet holes scars, (all 14 of them), to include having half his face almost ripped off at an angle going across from corner of jawbone/cheek to midway of his nose, over one eye, and across his scalp and ear, His first tour he was in the Marine Corps, the other 3 was when he joined the Army and went into Special Forces. But he was a go lucky kind of person and he pretty much called everyone a piece of s*%t, unless you proved your worth to him, and he had no problem speaking his mind to anyone. The crap he been in, he never showed any signs of PTSD, or other mental problems that I saw!

After that it was a piece of cake, even later in conflicts and situations as I call them now. Do we forget what we did? NO, I can be anywhere at any place and once in a while I see someone who looks simular to someone I introduced to whomever god they believe in on some conflicts in the past. Do I dwell on what I did? No, I was trained to come back to my family alive and in one piece and that is the way it is. Everyone has a number, just mine wasn't up yet.

The problem with todays military programs and prior veteran volunteers and families are out there trying to get vets help and doing what they can but they are limited. The military now is trying to be better in helping vets and is doing what they can with what funding they get.

As I said, everyone handles situations differently. Some cope, most can't. Those that can't, become alcoholics, get divorced, commit violent acts, result to murder for no real reason or motive, commit suicide, and the list goes on.

 

[0121stockpicker]

0121,
Please look at the very end of my comment as it reads IMHO, so what I wrote is my opinion. The beginning of the U.S.A. was a lot better than what was just behind those folks, allowing for some greed by the "colonists" and likely some of the signers of the early historical documents that started this democracy. History has been replete with 'Robber Barons', political types who had no scruples. "We The People" of this country have always been worked over for a loss by the Elite of Society which, is why they had "near sex" under the presidents desk, but hey I'm no better than that. The founders of this country, I happen to love this country but not the politicians of either parties D or R, brought about a "thing" that grew and yes ugliness grew right along with the good but we've reached a tipping point and I believe "the government" realizes it as well and that is exactly why They and especially the Democrats are out to remove firearms from the hands of the citizens of this country. Notice I said I believe, IMHO.

I've had to deal with some of the low echelon of the present government recently and when I see Forest Rangers, you know Smokey The Bears Friends, as people to distrust things are not good. Oh, and by the way they deserve that distrust feeling as the ugliness they've brought into the forests is not good for the collective "US". Okay, I can see flames starting here on my part so I'm going to cut this short - The Elite and "the little people" at the start of the U.S.A. as well as the Elite and "the little people" of today are still at odds with what is right. Some on both sides are scum. Some on both sides are wonderful folks. So why is it that this Great Country is just about to fail? A little sneeze in the wrong direction and the dominoes of the financial instability of this country will all fall down and then you'd better be armed cause it ain't gonna be pretty! ALL of us need to earn what we have as there is no free lunch as when those who have the money run out of it or just leave with it there will be trouble in river city! I hope we can all calm down about my post. Again, IMHO.............63bkpkr

Ill drink to that!!

 

[truckinbutch]

Fact is you can train someone for just about anything and any scenerio, but when it comes down to the meat and potatos of reallity it is a different ball game. People, and soldiers only have an immagination of what it would be like or what they "THINK" they may do and how they would react to it. But when crap hits the fan and one is in some serious engagements, the mentallity totally changes from before. Few deal with it in a different light, (I was taught from a Viet Nam vet who did 4 tours told me to pretty much but it in a box and forget about it and open it up on your death bed and make peace with it then), you are here to do one thing. Go back home alive to your family at all costs!

Of course this was in 1991 when I had my deal and the long term Viet Nam tour vet talked to me and there was long conversation as to the outcome of everything. In the first situation, yes, I was a bit scared, but who isn't when you got someone trying to take your life?

I preformed as I was trained, all reaction, no time to think about what was happening at the time, just doing what I was required and come out of it alive. After things calmed down is when it hit me what happened that day and what I did. I stared, I didn't speak to anyone, I wanted to be alone, but one of my team mates a Viet Nam vet saw me and tried talking to me and ended up I opened up and told him what was bothering me. He mentored me into coming back to reality and doing what I was trained to do after talking for a few hours, then I was good to go again.

This was a Viet Nam vet that taught me this as he had way worse engagements I or even anyone else could have ever imagined! The Viet Nam vet did 4 tours in Viet Nam and got shot up in the process on his last 2 tours but went back after he healed to go on another tour, I mean shot up pretty bad on both his last 2 tours, that anyone with those type of wounds would certainly be dead. I saw his battle scars, bullet holes scars, (all 14 of them), to include having half his face almost ripped off at an angle going across from corner of jawbone/cheek to midway of his nose, over one eye, and across his scalp and ear, His first tour he was in the Marine Corps, the other 3 was when he joined the Army and went into Special Forces. But he was a go lucky kind of person and he pretty much called everyone a piece of s*%t, unless you proved your worth to him, and he had no problem speaking his mind to anyone. The crap he been in, he never showed any signs of PTSD, or other mental problems that I saw!

After that it was a piece of cake, even later in conflicts and situations as I call them now. Do we forget what we did? NO, I can be anywhere at any place and once in a while I see someone who looks simular to someone I introduced to whomever god they believe in on some conflicts in the past. Do I dwell on what I did? No, I was trained to come back to my family alive and in one piece and that is the way it is. Everyone has a number, just mine wasn't up yet.

The problem with todays military programs and prior veteran volunteers and families are out there trying to get vets help and doing what they can but they are limited. The military now is trying to be better in helping vets and is doing what they can with what funding they get.

As I said, everyone handles situations differently. Some cope, most can't. Those that can't, become alcoholics, get divorced, commit violent acts, result to murder for no real reason or motive, commit suicide, and the list goes on.

The first engagement is a mix of the heady thought of adventure and a sense of duty . The rest that you go into are for loyalty to your buddies and duty . Aint much adventure in being shot at . Just part of the job requirement .

 

[bevo]

Thank you for your sacrifice.

 

[Crispin]

Fact is you can train someone for just about anything and any scenerio, but when it comes down to the meat and potatos of reallity it is a different ball game. People, and soldiers only have an immagination of what it would be like or what they "THINK" they may do and how they would react to it. But when crap hits the fan and one is in some serious engagements, the mentallity totally changes from before. Few deal with it in a different light, (I was taught from a Viet Nam vet who did 4 tours told me to pretty much but it in a box and forget about it and open it up on your death bed and make peace with it then), you are here to do one thing. Go back home alive to your family at all costs!

Of course this was in 1991 when I had my deal and the long term Viet Nam tour vet talked to me and there was long conversation as to the outcome of everything. In the first situation, yes, I was a bit scared, but who isn't when you got someone trying to take your life?

I preformed as I was trained, all reaction, no time to think about what was happening at the time, just doing what I was required and come out of it alive. After things calmed down is when it hit me what happened that day and what I did. I stared, I didn't speak to anyone, I wanted to be alone, but one of my team mates a Viet Nam vet saw me and tried talking to me and ended up I opened up and told him what was bothering me. He mentored me into coming back to reality and doing what I was trained to do after talking for a few hours, then I was good to go again.

This was a Viet Nam vet that taught me this as he had way worse engagements I or even anyone else could have ever imagined! The Viet Nam vet did 4 tours in Viet Nam and got shot up in the process on his last 2 tours but went back after he healed to go on another tour, I mean shot up pretty bad on both his last 2 tours, that anyone with those type of wounds would certainly be dead. I saw his battle scars, bullet holes scars, (all 14 of them), to include having half his face almost ripped off at an angle going across from corner of jawbone/cheek to midway of his nose, over one eye, and across his scalp and ear, His first tour he was in the Marine Corps, the other 3 was when he joined the Army and went into Special Forces. But he was a go lucky kind of person and he pretty much called everyone a piece of s*%t, unless you proved your worth to him, and he had no problem speaking his mind to anyone. The crap he been in, he never showed any signs of PTSD, or other mental problems that I saw!

After that it was a piece of cake, even later in conflicts and situations as I call them now. Do we forget what we did? NO, I can be anywhere at any place and once in a while I see someone who looks simular to someone I introduced to whomever god they believe in on some conflicts in the past. Do I dwell on what I did? No, I was trained to come back to my family alive and in one piece and that is the way it is. Everyone has a number, just mine wasn't up yet.

The problem with todays military programs and prior veteran volunteers and families are out there trying to get vets help and doing what they can but they are limited. The military now is trying to be better in helping vets and is doing what they can with what funding they get.

As I said, everyone handles situations differently. Some cope, most can't. Those that can't, become alcoholics, get divorced, commit violent acts, result to murder for no real reason or motive, commit suicide, and the list goes on.

There are no words to describe my gratitude. A simple 'thank you' is the best I can muster. Remember, in your darkest hour, there are people like me (and Rebel) who are there for you.

Crispin

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

You know one thing that is sad and pathetic? You got these vet organizations like Wounded Warrier, and a couple others I can't recall at this time of the names of some of the others. And I am sure I am going to get hammered on this but here goes.

All these people who started these organizations to help vets are lining their pockets with more money than what they are giving out to vets in help! Look at the homes some of these people in these organizations are living in, what kind of pricy vehicles they are driving, private planes, etc. So a small amount of money is actually going to disabled vets.

If you think, that lets say half the people in the U.S. gave $1.00 for each of these private vets organizations of their choosing, (because we love our military and want to support our vets), how much money do you think that would be?? Lets see, 313,914,040 people in the U.S. (as of 2012), Quite a chunky hundred million in a year if you ask me right? Well lets say a 1/4 of U.S. citizens donate $1.00, still at least thats a cool $78 million a year these organizations are raking in!! Lets reduce the number of donations again. Lets say 1/8th of the U.S. citizen population donates $1.00, that is STILL $39 MILLION A YEAR these organizations are raking in!!!

Lets look at those who donate and writes BIGGER checks for donations so the money tally gets bigger as well!!

I am not knocking helping out vets, but look at the figures and facts, then go ask ANY disabled vet, what help he has gotten from ALL those PRIVATE veterans organizations and what he benifitted from it. Personally I don't think we have 78 million veterans still living that is disabled needing help. So where is all this money going?

These organizations could almost GIVE each disabled vet a cool half a million or more for the amounts of money these organizations are raking in every year, but they don't and the vets barely get any help from them at all!

Pretty sad!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

You know one thing that is sad and pathetic? You got these vet organizations like Wounded Warrier, and a couple others I can't recall at this time of the names of some of the others. And I am sure I am going to get hammered on this but here goes.

All these people who started these organizations to help vets are lining their pockets with more money than what they are giving out to vets in help! Look at the homes some of these people in these organizations are living in, what kind of pricy vehicles they are driving, private planes, etc. So a small amount of money is actually going to disabled vets.

If you think, that lets say half the people in the U.S. gave $1.00 for each of these private vets organizations of their choosing, (because we love our military and want to support our vets), how much money do you think that would be?? Lets see, 313,914,040 people in the U.S. (as of 2012), Quite a chunky hundred million in a year if you ask me right? Well lets say a 1/4 of U.S. citizens donate $1.00, still at least thats a cool $78 million a year these organizations are raking in!! Lets reduce the number of donations again. Lets say 1/8th of the U.S. citizen population donates $1.00, that is STILL $39 MILLION A YEAR these organizations are raking in!!!

Lets look at those who donate and writes BIGGER checks for donations so the money tally gets bigger as well!!

I am not knocking helping out vets, but look at the figures and facts, then go ask ANY disabled vet, what help he has gotten from ALL those PRIVATE veterans organizations and what he benifitted from it. Personally I don't think we have 78 million veterans still living that is disabled needing help. So where is all this money going?

These organizations could almost GIVE each disabled vet a cool half a million or more for the amounts of money these organizations are raking in every year, but they don't and the vets barely get any help from them at all!

Pretty sad!

NOT true... I have INVESTIGATED Wounded Warriors, Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA), Disabled American Veterans (DAV), etc. YOU send ME the names of questionable organizations & I WILL INVESTIGATE. If found to be true, I WILL report 'em to appropriate resources, and SHUT 'EM DOWN! TRY ME!

 

[0121stockpicker]

NOT true... I have INVESTIGATED Wounded Warriors, Paralyzed Veterans of America (PVA), Disabled American Veterans (DAV), etc. YOU send ME the names of questionable organizations & I WILL INVESTIGATE. If found to be true, I WILL report 'em to appropriate resources, and SHUT 'EM DOWN! TRY ME!

This is a huge risk / problem when giving to any nonprofit. I give a good chunk of my income ever year to non-profs so ive done a lot of research on the topic. Luckily to get their nonprofit tax status they have to submit a lot of financial info. There are watchdog groups that go through all that financial data and let folks know how much of ever dollar actually goes directly to the programs. Some spend a ton on their execs (just as an aside NRA exec pulls down over a million a year). Many spend a ton of money on fundraising - like using telemarketers. I never give to someone at the door or over the phone - always just ask them to send you information if your interested. Always research to make sure your money is going to the best orgs. Look at for organizations that use names very similar to well known reputable organizations. If you give money to a scam you are really just helping to keep it going to scam more people. I feel if this great country has given you great opportunities you have to give some back. Best to all.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Use computer to "google" reviews of ALL 501(c)(3) organizations; they CAN reduce YOUR "tax burdens"... WIN-WIN!

 

[Tnmountains]

You know one thing that is sad and pathetic? You got these vet organizations like Wounded Warrier, and a couple others I can't recall at this time of the names of some of the others. And I am sure I am going to get hammered on this but here goes.

All these people who started these organizations to help vets are lining their pockets with more money than what they are giving out to vets in help! Look at the homes some of these people in these organizations are living in, what kind of pricy vehicles they are driving, private planes, etc. So a small amount of money is actually going to disabled vets.

If you think, that lets say half the people in the U.S. gave $1.00 for each of these private vets organizations of their choosing, (because we love our military and want to support our vets), how much money do you think that would be?? Lets see, 313,914,040 people in the U.S. (as of 2012), Quite a chunky hundred million in a year if you ask me right? Well lets say a 1/4 of U.S. citizens donate $1.00, still at least thats a cool $78 million a year these organizations are raking in!! Lets reduce the number of donations again. Lets say 1/8th of the U.S. citizen population donates $1.00, that is STILL $39 MILLION A YEAR these organizations are raking in!!!

Lets look at those who donate and writes BIGGER checks for donations so the money tally gets bigger as well!!

I am not knocking helping out vets, but look at the figures and facts, then go ask ANY disabled vet, what help he has gotten from ALL those PRIVATE veterans organizations and what he benifitted from it. Personally I don't think we have 78 million veterans still living that is disabled needing help. So where is all this money going?

These organizations could almost GIVE each disabled vet a cool half a million or more for the amounts of money these organizations are raking in every year, but they don't and the vets barely get any help from them at all!

Pretty sad!

A friend of mine sponsored a trip here to my city for the Wounded Warriors and a visit to the school. They bused them in and every business catered free to the soldiers/ warriors. We did not pay the organization. We treated only the soldiers to a weekend of fun and gave them a great time and parting gifts. I gave each one a fired bullet from a battle that they visited and wrote up the battle from the diaries of the soldiers that were there. They really liked that. I am sure someone somewhere makes a living keeping this organization going. If they do it is worth if for the good they do.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

A friend of mine sponsored a trip here to my city for the Wounded Warriors and a visit to the school. They bused them in and every business catered free to the soldiers/ warriors. We did not pay the organization. We treated only the soldiers to a weekend of fun and gave them a great time and parting gifts. I gave each one a fired bullet from a battle that they visited and wrote up the battle from the diaries of the soldiers that were there. They really liked that. I am sure someone somewhere makes a living keeping this organization going. If they do it is worth if for the good they do.

AGREE!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

This is a huge risk / problem when giving to any nonprofit. I give a good chunk of my income ever year to non-profs so ive done a lot of research on the topic. Luckily to get their nonprofit tax status they have to submit a lot of financial info. There are watchdog groups that go through all that financial data and let folks know how much of ever dollar actually goes directly to the programs. Some spend a ton on their execs (just as an aside NRA exec pulls down over a million a year). Many spend a ton of money on fundraising - like using telemarketers. I never give to someone at the door or over the phone - always just ask them to send you information if your interested. Always research to make sure your money is going to the best orgs. Look at for organizations that use names very similar to well known reputable organizations. If you give money to a scam you are really just helping to keep it going to scam more people. I feel if this great country has given you great opportunities you have to give some back. Best to all.

NRA is 501(C)(3)... COULD lose "non-profit" status from IRS; NOT suppose to "politick" against US Gov't. We WILL see...

 

[0121stockpicker]

NRA is 501(C)(3)... COULD lose "non-profit" status from IRS; NOT suppose to "politick" against US Gov't. we WILL see...

They must get around that somehow. Maybe they have a separate group that does the lobbying because it obviously engages in serious lobbying - I don't think they even try and hide that fact. I just couldn't believe the bucks that some of the folks were pulling down. You can do a lot of shooter education with the money going to the execs. I havnt look but I bet there are a couple NRA private jets flying around their execs also. Need to go in style when you hitting up Big Gun for Big Money and wining and dining the politicians. Living like kings.

On a similar note I think the gov should yank nonprofit status from a lot of religions / religious groups. Let me tell you I don't think many of those mega church tv preachers are following Christ's example of poverty!!

And that's why it's always best to be skeptical.

 

[Crispin]

They must get around that somehow. Maybe they have a separate group that does the lobbying because it obviously engages in serious lobbying - I don't think they even try and hide that fact. I just couldn't believe the bucks that some of the folks were pulling down. You can do a lot of shooter education with the money going to the execs. I havnt look but I bet there are a couple NRA private jets flying around their execs also. Need to go in style when you hitting up Big Gun for Big Money and wining and dining the politicians. Living like kings.

On a similar note I think the gov should yank nonprofit status from a lot of religions / religious groups. Let me tell you I don't think many of those mega church tv preachers are following Christ's example of poverty!!

And that's why it's always best to be skeptical.

Dangerous ground my friend. Not saying I disagree, but very dangerous ground.

 

[Crispin]

You know one thing that is sad and pathetic? You got these vet organizations like Wounded Warrier, and a couple others I can't recall at this time of the names of some of the others. And I am sure I am going to get hammered on this but here goes.

All these people who started these organizations to help vets are lining their pockets with more money than what they are giving out to vets in help! Look at the homes some of these people in these organizations are living in, what kind of pricy vehicles they are driving, private planes, etc. So a small amount of money is actually going to disabled vets.

If you think, that lets say half the people in the U.S. gave $1.00 for each of these private vets organizations of their choosing, (because we love our military and want to support our vets), how much money do you think that would be?? Lets see, 313,914,040 people in the U.S. (as of 2012), Quite a chunky hundred million in a year if you ask me right? Well lets say a 1/4 of U.S. citizens donate $1.00, still at least thats a cool $78 million a year these organizations are raking in!! Lets reduce the number of donations again. Lets say 1/8th of the U.S. citizen population donates $1.00, that is STILL $39 MILLION A YEAR these organizations are raking in!!!

Lets look at those who donate and writes BIGGER checks for donations so the money tally gets bigger as well!!

I am not knocking helping out vets, but look at the figures and facts, then go ask ANY disabled vet, what help he has gotten from ALL those PRIVATE veterans organizations and what he benifitted from it. Personally I don't think we have 78 million veterans still living that is disabled needing help. So where is all this money going?

These organizations could almost GIVE each disabled vet a cool half a million or more for the amounts of money these organizations are raking in every year, but they don't and the vets barely get any help from them at all!

Pretty sad!

Friend, I respect your opinion. I understand how you arrived at it, and I'm not saying that you are wrong. However, here are a few things to consider.
1. Some heads of non-profit organizations are independently wealthy philanthropists. Being filthy rich gives you the time and opportunity to do those types of things. If they own private jets and a dozen cars then it does not necessarily mean it came from donations.
2. Sadly, giving somebody half a mil isn't necessarily going to help all that much. I am sure there are some vets who could manage it well and benefit from it. However, the very nature of PTSD leads vets to find ways of numbing the nightmares, flashbacks, depression, and pain. Some turn to alcohol and drugs. Giving one of these poor souls half a mil would have disastrous effects.
3. I think some others on here have hit the nail on the head in terms of volunteering time. I donate cash, but if I were to add up the 'billable hours' of professional care I have donated it would far, far exceed that. Also, can't deduct time volunteered on taxes, lol, ironic. Anyhow, in some lights I view volunteering my time as bartering services for vets putting their lives on the line for my safety.
4. Here is one thing the government has done right. I applied for and was granted a malpractice exemption when volunteering my time. In other words, unless it is overly grievous and catastrophic neglect, I cannot be sued for care given when volunteering time. This is a tremendous benefit. A lot of times people will donate expired meds that are still perfectly good. It always us to use these without fear of a greedy lawyer making something up and coming after us. It also allows us a lot more ability to use FDA non-indicated drugs to treat people. FDA indications are largely about patents and liability. There are a lot of good drugs that can cross categories, are inexpensive, and very helpful.

Just a few points, thank you..again,

Crispin

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Just give yer "bill" to the non/profits, any way; then write n/c (no charge) on 'em. NP will HAVE to "explain" to IRS, the "in-kind" donations YOU have made; they ARE "tax-deductible"; SECRET is in how you "word it".

 

[Crispin]

Just give yer "bill" to the non/profits, any way; then write n/c (no charge) on 'em. NP will HAVE to "explain" to IRS, the "in-kind" donations YOU have made; they ARE "tax-deductible"; SECRET is in how you "word it".

Thanks Reb, but it would feel dirty to me. I don't want to cross that line.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Thanks Reb, but it would feel dirty to me. I don't want to cross that line.

OK; your choice/decision...