US Marine Questions Narrative Behind Chris Kyle Murder

[Red James Cash]

US Marine Questions Narrative Behind Chris Kyle Murder

Doubts alleged killer Eddie Ray Routh suffered from PTSD

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
February 5, 2013

An active duty US Marine has contacted Infowars to express doubts about the narrative behind the death of former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, alleging that the man charged with his murder, Eddie Ray Routh, may not have suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

38-year-old Kyle, New York Times bestselling author of American Sniper, was credited with the most sniper kills in U.S. military history. He was shot at point blank range by Routh at a shooting range in Texas on Saturday, authorities say. Kyle’s 35-year-old friend Chad Littlefield was also shot dead.

The two men had apparently been helping Routh work through Post Traumatic Stress Disorder PTSD and after his arrest, “Routh told authorities he was a Marine veteran,” reports CBS News.

However, an active duty Marine has doubts about Routh’s story, telling us that he never saw combat and therefore is unlikely to have suffered from PTSD.

The Marine, who was stationed in the same barracks as Routh in 2007 at Camp Lejeune, N.C, wished to remain anonymous but sent us his military credentials as well as an unpublished photo of Routh in his military fatigues. We were also able to verify that the email was sent from a legitimate .mil email address.

“After seeing this picture I just remembered this guy lived in the same barracks as me in 2007 in Camp Lejeune, N.C., he was definitely NOT a highly trained Marine he was a mechanic in for only about 4 years,” said the Marine.

“My friend deployed to Iraq with Eddie Routh and this guy never even went outside the wire, so the PTSD from combat as the news is saying is unlikely, and this guy was no highly trained Marine as they are also saying in the news,” he added.

The Marine also told us that Routh “was into drugs.”

“I’m sure this will all come out eventually. Please do not release my name, I am an active duty Marine and I don’t need the attention,” he concluded.

If Routh’s problems with PTSD were not genuine, he wouldn’t have had the justification to be under Kyle’s wing, suggesting he may have embellished the issue in order to gain Kyle’s trust before shooting him.

According to reports, Routh was taken to a mental hospital on two separate occasions in the months leading up to the murder. Authorities are yet to establish a motive for the crime.

As we reported yesterday, Chris Kyle was emerging as a prominent critic of the Obama administration’s gun control agenda and had begun running programs focused around putting armed security guards in schools as well as training teachers with firearms.

In an interview conducted weeks before his death, the former Navy Seal warned that the White House’s attempt to ban semi-automatic rifles was “just opening the door so you can start taking more of our rights.”

 

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[truckinbutch]

Just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser ..........................

 

[0121stockpicker]

At least no one has posted that it was a government conspiracy to kill an oba critic. Please let's not insult this tragic event with that kind of crap.

 

[TheHarleyMan2]

When I first heard about the death of Chris Kyle and his desire to help PTSD Marine Corps vets. The first thing that came to my mind was, "OK, he is trying to help vets with PTSD, but "WHY" use firearms??

I question this, but only Kyle knew to himself and those he had helped him along side of him, but anyone in their right mind would think, "OK, if a combat vet is having PTSD and it somewhat or possibly mentally "UNSTABLE", would it REALLY be a good idea to put a firearm in their hands?

Especially in todays times of the last 10 years of war. There have not been very much leadership that has experienced combat prior to 9/11 and didn't know how to handle helping soldiers with issues after combat.

When I first went into the Army and had my first combat experience in 1991 I had Veit Nam vets that trained me and gave me insight after the fact of combat experiences and how to deal with and handle it. When those guys retired or whatever, now we had Desert Storm vets with some combat experience and brought over all the experiences from Viet Nam vets that taught them. So over the last 17-20 years soldiers and leaders, (officers), didn't have any combat experience, and not many of them had combat veterans train them either on situations and how to handle it, much less give advice and help for a soldier having problems of dealing with what he/she just did that day and what went wrong.

Many of the leadership pretty much left the combat zone, (because they had rank and could do what they wanted to avoid anything to include combat), and would leave NCO's as low as E-6 to E-7 in charge and they did what they wanted. The Army Times have done articles in the last 2 years of pi$$ poor leadership and why soldiers were getting out.

I am not knocking all officers and high NCO's on poor leadership, there are few great leaders, but the poor outnumber the good ones.

I don't think no one could really answer the reason why Routh shot and killed Kyle, only he has the answer, but if he really wasn't a combat vet, then he had to have some sort of motive for killing Kyle and his friend. Maybe Kyle found out, maybe his friend found out and Kyle might have confronted him it at the range and Routh decided to take action?


I know soldiers, especially the elite class, we don't like posers, and people who claim valor that never did anything and we are not affraid to confront those who make false claims face to face AND IN PERSON. If the above story Red has posted is true, I would bet Kyle confronted Routh, then Routh shot him!

 

[Red James Cash]

Good theory harleyman.I'll bet Routh ends up dead soon somehow.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Good theory harleyman.I'll bet Routh ends up dead soon somehow.

Suicide, probably...

 

[63bkpkr]

RJC, conspiracy? Odd that a few outspoken people, those speaking out concerning the current administration, have died under possibly curious circumstances. Reminds me of the Kennedy's. Odd things happen, why such a rash of extreme gun violence, why are violators of the Nics paperwork not being sent to jail, why, why? We are living through a struggle to keep our country free! Prospecting being shut down, metal detecting being discriminated against due to a few bad apples, large tracts of land being confiscated by the federal government closing those public lands to the search for minerals. The founders of this country had just gone through a war against a corrupt ruling class and knew all to well that without the citizens being armed they would not have had a chance against England. Of course should something like the Revolutionary War happen again foreign powers would not likely come to our aid so the citizen army would have a tough time of it. IMHO...63bkpkr

 

[0121stockpicker]

RJC, conspiracy? Odd that a few outspoken people, those speaking out concerning the current administration, have died under possibly curious circumstances. Reminds me of the Kennedy's. Odd things happen, why such a rash of extreme gun violence, why are violators of the Nics paperwork not being sent to jail, why, why? We are living through a struggle to keep our country free! Prospecting being shut down, metal detecting being discriminated against due to a few bad apples, large tracts of land being confiscated by the federal government closing those public lands to the search for minerals. The founders of this country had just gone through a war against a corrupt ruling class and knew all to well that without the citizens being armed they would not have had a chance against England. Of course should something like the Revolutionary War happen again foreign powers would not likely come to our aid so the citizen army would have a tough time of it. IMHO...63bkpkr

In case you didn't know the founder fathers of this country were the rich ruling class. Ever single one of them wealthy land barons and biz owners. Harvard and Yale educated lawyers. Today you would call those folks the liberal intellectual elite. Got the poor farmers and city folk to do all the fighting. How many signers picked up a gun? Meanwhile when the constitution was written you had to be a landowner to vote - didnt want those same poor renter farmers voting. Never mind women or non-caucasions. Thought they were all to stupid to vote. Can't have the rabble voting now can we. Luckily amendments to the const changed that. It's helpful to know real history and not American mythology. Best

 

[Red James Cash]

Ever single one of them wealthy land barons and biz owners.

Youre wrong.Look it up.

 

[Chadeaux]

In case you didn't know the founder fathers of this country were the rich ruling class. Ever single one of them wealthy land barons and biz owners. Harvard and Yale educated lawyers. Today you would call those folks the liberal intellectual elite. Got the poor farmers and city folk to do all the fighting. How many signers picked up a gun? Meanwhile when the constitution was written you had to be a landowner to vote - didnt want those same poor renter farmers voting. Never mind women or non-caucasions. Thought they were all to stupid to vote. Can't have the rabble voting now can we. Luckily amendments to the const changed that. It's helpful to know real history and not American mythology. Best

Just curious . . . what planet did you say this happened on

 

[0121stockpicker]

Just curious . . . what planet did you say this happened on

It's always a shock when historical truth comes out. Just like when everyone finally started to admit that Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner and actually had kids with one of his slaves. History is not always pretty but at least it's the truth. The FFs were just human, not demigods. With all the faults - greed, lust for power, etc - as everyone else. The planet - planet truth.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It was known even when I was a kid our founding fathers had slaves and slave mistresses no shock it was norm for the day. This fact dies not diminish their greatness or reverence in what they established and accomplished.

They are and will always be held in extreme reverence and honored by all American patriots..... Unfortunately most politicians today can't hold a candle and many citizens do not even respect what they built, they think they are owed it by birth when in fact it is earned.

My guns are not illegal, they are undocumented, if obama can illegally declare millions of illlegal aliens as undocumented residents then I declare the same for my guns....LOL

 

[0121stockpicker]

Completely agree - they were just real good people, but people none the less ( and frankly the kind that many would mistrust or even despise today). My guess is Harvard educated lawyers aren't are the top of too many of your lists.

And no one is trying to take your guns away from you. Only one saying that is even a possibility is your friends at big gun and NRA to wring more money out of you. No one else even considering taking your guns. Best.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

No patriots on this board would despise them, their writtongs speak volumes, I can care less what someone's income is or their education is.

I care what their beliefs are for this country, and none of them would throw the 5th, 6th or 8th amendment in the thrash much less the 2nd like some.

 

[Crispin]

When I first heard about the death of Chris Kyle and his desire to help PTSD Marine Corps vets. The first thing that came to my mind was, "OK, he is trying to help vets with PTSD, but "WHY" use firearms??

I question this, but only Kyle knew to himself and those he had helped him along side of him, but anyone in their right mind would think, "OK, if a combat vet is having PTSD and it somewhat or possibly mentally "UNSTABLE", would it REALLY be a good idea to put a firearm in their hands?

Especially in todays times of the last 10 years of war. There have not been very much leadership that has experienced combat prior to 9/11 and didn't know how to handle helping soldiers with issues after combat.

When I first went into the Army and had my first combat experience in 1991 I had Veit Nam vets that trained me and gave me insight after the fact of combat experiences and how to deal with and handle it. When those guys retired or whatever, now we had Desert Storm vets with some combat experience and brought over all the experiences from Viet Nam vets that taught them. So over the last 17-20 years soldiers and leaders, (officers), didn't have any combat experience, and not many of them had combat veterans train them either on situations and how to handle it, much less give advice and help for a soldier having problems of dealing with what he/she just did that day and what went wrong.

Many of the leadership pretty much left the combat zone, (because they had rank and could do what they wanted to avoid anything to include combat), and would leave NCO's as low as E-6 to E-7 in charge and they did what they wanted. The Army Times have done articles in the last 2 years of pi$$ poor leadership and why soldiers were getting out.

I am not knocking all officers and high NCO's on poor leadership, there are few great leaders, but the poor outnumber the good ones.

I don't think no one could really answer the reason why Routh shot and killed Kyle, only he has the answer, but if he really wasn't a combat vet, then he had to have some sort of motive for killing Kyle and his friend. Maybe Kyle found out, maybe his friend found out and Kyle might have confronted him it at the range and Routh decided to take action?


I know soldiers, especially the elite class, we don't like posers, and people who claim valor that never did anything and we are not affraid to confront those who make false claims face to face AND IN PERSON. If the above story Red has posted is true, I would bet Kyle confronted Routh, then Routh shot him!

You bring up a really good point here! So far, treatment of PTSD has been waiting for Sh*t to happen and then trying to help people in the aftermath. I have no training in how to prevent PTSD in veterans going off to combat, but I have a ton of training in how to treat them when they come back.

Perhaps, you are on to something here. Anybody know anything about training for active duty military to deal with trauma prior to being exposed?

 

[0121stockpicker]

No patriots on this board would despise them, their writtongs speak volumes, I can care less what someone's income is or their education is.

I care what their beliefs are for this country, and none of them would throw the 5th, 6th or 8th amendment in the thrash much less the 2nd like some.

And how about the greatest right - the right to vote. How well did they do on that one.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

They did fine for their time. It was a different political time then, slavery was legal.

 

[Chadeaux]

It's always a shock when historical truth comes out. Just like when everyone finally started to admit that Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner and actually had kids with one of his slaves. History is not always pretty but at least it's the truth. The FFs were just human, not demigods. With all the faults - greed, lust for power, etc - as everyone else. The planet - planet truth.

Not saying it wasn't true . . . those of us who paid attention in American History class knew much of this. The fact that it was news to you is what was confusing . . . or were you one of the folks who thought that subject was unimportant and went to take a smoke in the restroom? Nasty place to have to go just to have a smoke --- that they didn't need.

 

[0121stockpicker]

Actually a history major (among others) in undergraduate school. Why I'm a bit of a stickler for the truth instead of the myth. As many have stated before, it's a same what they teach in grade and high school now a days.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

The same men you keep putting down gave us freedom of speech, the press, religion, the right to keep and bear arms, the right to a trial by a jury of our peers, the right to a lawyer, the right to a reasonable bail, right to a speedy trial among the other rights in our BoR they gave us so yes we consider them extraordinary men to be revered and honored through out the rest of our history.