Turn On The History Channel: The Jesse James Treasure

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

Regarding the above link ... originated by hlzbz in July 8, 2008 (Thanks savant365)

What state are the hlzbz rock symbols in? (I promise, I won't tell anyone).

They look almost identical to the one's on TV, which ( I think) were in Kansas.

Is it possible the entire Midwest is covered with Jesse James rock symbols leading to buried treasure? If so, I'm packing my bags right now! Does anybody in that area need a 57 year old roomate who doesn't eat much and who will sleep in the barn?

Signed ...

"Have Detector - Will Travel"

aka; SODABOTTLEBOB

 

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[Silverfox]

I watched this full of crap show.
First thing I saw that was a joke was that the mason jar that had the coins in it was crystal clear. I've dug hundreds of bottles in nearby Iowa and they all came out of the ground with a haze glaze to it, and it also had the sandy type of soil.
Where was the rest of the mason jar?
Silver coins in the ground for that long of time would not have any black in the grooves like the few that they showed. They would be shinny silver, like new, not stained with black in the grooves from of the oils of your hands. I'm not sure about the gold coins in that type of wet sandy soil. I've found two gold coins in Nevada that were slightly tarnished. Just my opinion. Old Abe

 

[Bell-Two]

Well I think it was a real mish mash, some interesting stuff but it always seems they just don't quite get what they are looking for. It would be practically impossible to attribute either coins or gold bar to Jesse James unless he left a note in his handwriting claiming them. I got a bit put off about the adulation of Jesse James as well. He was a member of raiding bunch that killed many innocent people, he robbed and killed many others later in his carreer not a man to be idolized in any manner. Is his story interesting, yes of course but glamourization of such a man is a bit too much. I found the story of John Dillinger interesting but no one would claim he was a "Robin Hood" either. Jesse stole from the rich and powerful because the poor had no money.

 

[warsawdaddy]

Well I think it was a real mish mash, some interesting stuff but it always seems they just don't quite get what they are looking for. It would be practically impossible to attribute either coins or gold bar to Jesse James unless he left a note in his handwriting claiming them. I got a bit put off about the adulation of Jesse James as well. He was a member of raiding bunch that killed many innocent people, he robbed and killed many others later in his carreer not a man to be idolized in any manner. Is his story interesting, yes of course but glamourization of such a man is a bit too much. I found the story of John Dillinger interesting but no one would claim he was a "Robin Hood" either. Jesse stole from the rich and powerful because the poor had no money.

Spoken like a true 'yankee'.

 

[warsawdaddy]

Well I think it was a real mish mash, some interesting stuff but it always seems they just don't quite get what they are looking for. It would be practically impossible to attribute either coins or gold bar to Jesse James unless he left a note in his handwriting claiming them. I got a bit put off about the adulation of Jesse James as well. He was a member of raiding bunch that killed many innocent people, he robbed and killed many others later in his carreer not a man to be idolized in any manner. Is his story interesting, yes of course but glamourization of such a man is a bit too much. I found the story of John Dillinger interesting but no one would claim he was a "Robin Hood" either. Jesse stole from the rich and powerful because the poor had no money.

Spoken like a true "yankee"

Well I'm a "yankee" OK, I was BORN in Rhodesia, but you wouldn't know it, and I don't think he is "overly adored". There are always two sides to stories during a war and the truth is usually somewhere in between.
I think JJ was responding to the needs of HIS people, and HIS people weren't exactly fans of the administration of the time. I seem to remember a group of individuals in the mid to late 1700s that were called "terrorists" and outlaws" by the British.
Ones man's "terrorist" is another man's freedom fighter, and history is written by the winners of wars.
Let's not turn this into a "North vs. South" argument, huh guys?

Agreed!And lets also not base as truth only what films and tv stories state.

 

[Bell-Two]

Well I think it was a real mish mash, some interesting stuff but it always seems they just don't quite get what they are looking for. It would be practically impossible to attribute either coins or gold bar to Jesse James unless he left a note in his handwriting claiming them. I got a bit put off about the adulation of Jesse James as well. He was a member of raiding bunch that killed many innocent people, he robbed and killed many others later in his carreer not a man to be idolized in any manner. Is his story interesting, yes of course but glamourization of such a man is a bit too much. I found the story of John Dillinger interesting but no one would claim he was a "Robin Hood" either. Jesse stole from the rich and powerful because the poor had no money.

Spoken like a true 'yankee'.

Actually my mother's side of the family is from Missouri, my wife is from Tennessee so I have nothing against the South matter of fact for supper tonight we had pinto beans, cornbread (not that sweet stuff they try to pass off for cornbread) and "taters" fried a real down home meal and I made it myself. Hey Dillinger was from Indiana a midwesterner and I think he was a nothing but a thug too. Neither the North, South, East or West have a monopoly on good people or bad people. Neither Jesse nor Dillinger or Bonny and Clyde robbed banks because they were owned by rich people they did it for the same reason all the crooks do. When Willie Sutton the notorious safecracker and bank job artist was asked why he liked to rob banks he replied "Thats where the money is". You can call me a Yankee and that is ok I don't mind but really I am a Midwesterner, just as you dont mind being called a Southerner for that is where you reside but really are we not all Americans? Jesus said John 13:35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

 

[Skrimpy]

Why would History Channel allow its viewers to sit through two hours of this, without a solid conclusion

They do it all the time. Watch Monster Quest. After the 1000th failed hunt to find Sasquatch, I think it's pretty diffinitive. This is a little different I guess?

 

[tapoutking]

Watched it with the wife. She didn;t believe it and was asking about the guns and why the gold looked brand new. I was laughing as they were rubbing the coins. Good entertainment.

 

[digincali]

We don't need no stinking badges!

 

[Gilligan]

Watched it with the wife. She didn;t believe it and was asking about the guns and why the gold looked brand new. I was laughing as they were rubbing the coins. Good entertainment.

The coins were clean enough there was not reason to rub, just blow the dirt off

 

[SpectrumKevin]

OK...I guess I'm the ONLY guy with a case of the BIG HEAD. The "expert" showed the comparisons between the two pics and he says....clearly the man on the right has a larger head. If I take a pic of me from my teens to right now....I just found out...according to his logic....I'm not me!!!!

You and I are on the same wavelength. The facial recognition stuff was silly. I was quite impressed with his living room setup. I posted similar this morning on the bigger thread on this, the one started by dirtscratcher. The biggest joke was when he got the eyes to match comparing the young Jesse pic with the old man, the old man's nose is quite a bit larger, like WAY bigger, but he dismisses this quickly by saying the old guy was "looking down."

And the guy right before this had good points too.

 

[TQA Girl]

Just got finished watching it on 11.14 and had to come back here to see more. Questions and comments galore but mostly the presentation was so fun and intriguing it got my attention.

My thoughts -

That one James family related to JM James - and the trinkets they found in the hidden closet was definitely enough to raise my brow.

I came away from it leaning in favor that he faked his death - the evidence they provided with the connection to Timberlake (ahh, long lost relative of Justin hmm? ) - to me was too suspicious to overlook. The US courts have convicted people to death on far less than that. I saw this movie with Brad Pitt awhile ago and came away from that thinking the story of how he died was kind of screwy, almost "too" anticlimactic given his history and I thought it was quite lame and almost unlikely that out of all the people with the expertise to hunt him down and take him out, that some little weasil dude managed to get him off guard, or that he'd be off guard when he apparently never seemed to be before...but when I'd seen that movie I wasn't much interested in JJ one way or the other. Only watched it because I was intrigued by Casey Affleck. (As an aside, I am ticked off at Pitt for making Burn After Reading - that was wrong on so many levels).

Anyway, the part that bugged me was the team in KC when they dig the last hole and found the broken lid and then later the gold bar and just seemed to blow it off. They found a gold bar buried in the tree root area and "well, that's all there is" and chalked it up to a stagecoach robbery just did not wash with me. The stash was in a mason jar, the lid is off and broken...same as with the first one...so why didn't they keep digging? Obviously the contents weren't contained - that made no sense. The gold bar was worse - I mean nobody buries one bar in that spot, keep digging...

Or when they were digging the big hole at the end and just stopped because of the machines. They'd said this was 16ft down, then said there were only about 8 more feet to go to get where they were headed, and they just stop?

Seriously?

I was hollering at the tv - GRAB SOME SHOVELS AND GET TO DIGGING!! IT'S 8 FEET COME ON!

Now that being said, I realize the show production probably left out lots of footage they actually took, and it could be those guys did keep digging and found more later, but it just didn't wash with me they could go to all that trouble and then shrug off further investigation like that.

It definitely told me something about my interest levels, not so much regarding Jesse James and his treasures, but treasure hunting. When they pulled the coins out I got the chills, when they wanted to quit, I was bouncing on the sofa to KEEP DIGGING WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU! I think I may have been bitten more fully with this one. I can see "obsession" lining up easily for me on this whole topic.

As for the KGC, I always thought that was fictional bs like Dan Brown's stuff, but apparently not...so that whetted my appetite to learn more.

Finally, I'm in Arizona still - Prescott Valley now, moved from CV - so somebody out there nearby, I am genuinely interested in a mentor sort...I don't have a lot to bring to the table though, other than enthusiasm.

And a van - it can haul stuff

 

[TQA Girl]

PS

So reading through the posts, I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one whose BS meter was going off.

Question - many of you had issue with them rubbing the coins...why? Now's yer chance to teach a noob something. ;-)

Also, I'm sure this one qualifies for the dumb question award but right now it's not intuitive but if you bury a glass jar a foot down and it stays buried for a couple hundred years and someone digs it up later, why would it be broken? Or more to the point - how would it get broken? It just seems to me that the boundaries of earth around it would insulate it from that sort of thing. Or is it more likely they broke the jars through digging?

And I still take huge issue that there was just one little gold bar under that tree. Sorry, not buying that one.

Edit to add - given how this team got all shifty eyed after the finds, provided they were legit, do you suppose they wrapped it up as a brick wall obstacle not necessarily for cliffhanger funding but because they anticipated a bigger find and didn't want anyone knowing so they could dig it up and get away with the stash *without* letting the owners in on the deal? You know...the old "oops, nothing to see here, folks, move along" ploy and then they slip back in on the sly and clear it out?


Just curious. I can't get over how they just called it a day when they supposedly found something, and wouldn't even keep going.

 

[SODABOTTLEBOB]

In My Humble Opinion!

After reviewing the play ...


1. Jesse James was "probably" killed by Bob Ford and there was no conspiracy!

2. Ron Pastore is a con and the "stuff" he found was "probably" planted!

Signing off until "Part Two" airs on the History Channel.

Sincerely, SODABOTTLEBOBBROWN

P.S. For "Hundreds" of images of Jesse James go to www.Bing.com

 

[warsawdaddy]

Jar can be broken from the action of frost/freezing of the ground(ground will move) and from improper digging.

 

[stoney56]

Jar can be broken from the action of frost/freezing of the ground(ground will move) and from improper digging.

and from trying to pack the dirt around it so the ground looks undisturbed for the camera.

 

[LBJ]

It seemed pretty hokey to me. I wondered if the whole thing was staged after it was over. Also, they found STRONG returns in other locations using GPR, but just decided to let them lie so they could TRAVEL all the way BACK at a later date? A bit much for me to believe as real. Now, they could have found the silver and gold loot and re-enacted the scene, but as it was, it was phony. LBJ

Better than most TV just the same.

I also watch that good looking brunette gal on her treasure show. She's worth watching whatever she's hunting for! Last one was looking for geodes or some kind of semi-precious rocks.