shortstack,i have seen it written that faces, face the outbound home trail.and i have found that some do. i have also seen them facing north,east,and west+ up and down,so iam not sure what the other direction mean. those ones there are facing ,i believe its a north east direction,but they are facing a direction where i believe is a cache area. you could be right about that being a 7,L, or v.,i just know how some things change so much with angle,lighting and distance,so i wouldn't call it a Z for sure. yes i belive you are right about that pile of stone was placed there,and yes that area is a depression around there.i really ant to check it out much better a photo it all the way around it, + i want to look in side and see if its hollow. i thought maybe its a omega monument. i did find a stone pile like that in another mountain range,that was hollow inside,kinda like a igloo construction when i looked inside.id like to se if this is also hollow. thanks for the info.on the bing map also. thanks