Trade Beads Postem If You Gotem

[monsterrack]

I see folks asking about trade beads and thought why not show them some. This is a few of different types that I have been blessed with.View attachment 882421View attachment 882423View attachment 882429

 

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A few Pony beads

 

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[Sheperdess]

I was told that the beads with the white centers as in the above photo were made by the French. Is this correct?

 

[kuger]

That piece looks like it would have had a prize ribbon or Mabey a metal hung below it.
It's probably associated with the early 1900's buttons.

........if your calling the ball buttons early 1900's......they are not....they actually were commonly worn by the Chinese here in the 1850's and were worn during the Civil War by Zouves..

The Brown and White Beads from Calif,if are clay were actually "Trade",(Grim Reapers)they were called Mourning beads.We used to pick em up by the jar full.......my Grand mother gave them to the tribe about 20 years ago.I still have a few that were individual(alone)finds

 

[kuger]

You guys blow me away with your collections of Indian beads, I thought there weren't too many folks who collected them, as they are so rare, but looks like I was wrong. Some seriously nice old beads...if only they could talk.

...there are places in the desert you could wear your pant knees out and fill your pockets with seed,and trade beads

 

[GatorBoy]

...there are places in the desert you could wear your pant knees out and fill your pockets with seed,and trade beads

That may be true..especially considering the population out there after the Natives moved out that way from other places.
That.. is NOT the case in many places and finding a site that has them is a great thing and treasured.
If You were tasked with finding one single bead where I am.. you would definitely have your hands full with that task.. many seasoned artifact hunters have never found one here.

 

[kuger]

where are you guys talking about our Indians moved from?These Indians werent moved here from any where?

 

[unclemac]

Gator thinks Oklahoma Is "out west".... .... silly feller....

 

[GatorBoy]

I'm not just talking about the trail of tears and the papers signed in 1840.
I'm talking about a large shift in native population into the desert region.
It caused a lot of problems during the Gold rush for folks who had to cross through there to get to California.
In contrast the natives in my area (Ais) Who came in contact with Europeans in the 1500's
Were the largest numbering tribe in the state at that time.. by the late 1700's they were all but extinct as a people.

 

[old digger]

Those round buttons that I shared in my post predate 1880s. It is possible they were traded or were taken off of the clothing of the luckless white man that intruded into there lands.

 

[old digger]

Some western tribes like the Apache were captured and sent east to Oklahoma, I don't recall any tribes forced by the government to move further west than to Oklahoma Territory.

The Sioux tribe was forced out of the Minnesota area by another tribe just before the influx of the white man. The U.S. Government kept taking away more and more land from the Indians in the western states until there reservations were so small. The government gave the Indians some of the most inhospitable land that was available.

 

[kuger]

No idea what your talking about....the Miwok,the Paiute,Washoe,Shoshone,were never moved or driven anywhere.........

Was just thinking of a cliff where there are thousands of seed beads in the Bob Marshall(Blackfoot Territory(nobody pushed,moved or told them anywhere ever!!!)In there mind they are like Your Seminole....they are still at war with the Whites

 

[kuger]

Those round buttons that I shared in my post predate 1880s. It is possible they were traded or were taken off of the clothing of the luckless white man that intruded into there lands.

The style date to at least the 1850's...that is fact.The sites they come from were totally abandoned by 1858,and never occupied again

I also need to add that there is the Rare Phoenix Ball buttons which are built with the same construction as the ones in Diggers pic,that date to the early 1800's.

I get that through providence you are able to date yours,I am just pointing out they date much earlier than the 1900's....I dont hunt post 1870 sites....period

 

[centfladigger]

Some western tribes like the Apache were captured and sent east to Oklahoma, I don't recall any tribes forced by the government to move further west than to Oklahoma Territory.

The Sioux tribe was forced out of the Minnesota area by another tribe just before the influx of the white man. The U.S. Government kept taking away more and more land from the Indians in the western states until there reservations were so small. The government gave the Indians some of the most inhospitable land that was available.

our Seminoles aren't the true native Floridians, they are a mixture of creek and Cherokee and runaway slaves, they only got here in the late 1700`s +. We have some of the first European contact here in Fl.. We have a few sites we find mid 1500`s-late 1600`s beads. A lot of these are Spanish , Venetian, French and Dutch manufactor. Dutch made beads are the most common found on sites along the NE US. Certain beads can be dated by the type and manufacturing of it. here is a rare bead and a few pictures. I researched an area for a few years, I also got early settler documentation on a few certain sites. Made friends with a landowner who confirmed my suspicions of the site I was looking for and got the go ahead to excavate what his farming already disturbed. We would just shovel and screen into large bags and buckets and bring it home. My kids have pulled thousands of them off the screens

 

[Little River Hunter]

I really like all the photos of the beads and shoe buttons. I've only found one blue faceted Bohemian-made bead, but I do have two strands of them that I bought, along with a strand of barleycorns (rat turd) and red white hearts.


Nice finds, gang!

LRH

 

[Jon Stewart]

You folks have posted some OUTSTANDING displays of bead finds. I have posted this thought several times. I would rather hunt artifacts than deer and I have been shooting a bow for over 50 years, The problem I have is Michigan is a hard place to hunt artifacts. Thanks for the posts.

 

[unclemac]

I'm not just talking about the trail of tears and the papers signed in 1840.
I'm talking about a large shift in native population into the desert region.
It caused a lot of problems during the Gold rush for folks who had to cross through there to get to California.
In contrast the natives in my area (Ais) Who came in contact with Europeans in the 1500's
Were the largest numbering tribe in the state at that time.. by the late 1700's they were all but extinct as a people.

...same thing everywhere....Mandan, Chinook....thriving villages of hundreds of people...poof..all gone in about a decades time. But how do you explain Mexicans? Why weren't they wiped out by disease...or were they but the population just rebounded? I notice some Mexican faces and say to myself, "wow...straight off a Mayan stele"...

 

[GatorBoy]

That is a very good observation.
It might have to do with an earlier contact and an immunity built over several generations.
I belive they migrated by a different route with different descendants.
The Ais population has been estimated at close to 200,000 at the time of contact by the use of writings of Spanish explorers.. to near zero in 200 years.
That's 1,000 per year.

 

[kansa54]

Here is a pic of some faceted glass trade beads that I recovered from a mid 1800's Indian village. There is a tube bead and one seed bead among the faceted beads.
I believe glass trade beads are a common find if you are on a Historic Indian campsite. Here in Ks., you can probably find 50 Woodland sites to every 1 Historic site though.

 

[abucooche]

here are a few of mine, obviously all were found in the same area! i have several different styles and colors...will try to post a pic later.

 

[joshuaream]

Here is a picture of the only ones I've ever found. Not from the US, but from the Caribbean. They are pictured in one of Hothem's last books. Probably early 1500's (one of the researchers who documented these thought they came through the 1502 visit.) No other European trade items were found in the midden, but there were some Taino items that were probably taken from raids or trades with their northern neighbors.