Thunderbird Effigy...Real or Myth?

[romeo-1]

I was hoping to get some feedback as to the reality of knapped flint thunderbird effigies. Has anyone ever seen one or even found one or are they a myth. Thanks.

 

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[arrow86]

I see, with a disclaimer we can call stuff fakes? let’s get a mods oponion.

If what I said is wrong or breaking a rule than I guess about 20 other people in this same post did as well but your not a mod so stop trying to police like you are thanks anyways for the help

 

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[unclemac]

fake or repro, and made to deceive...all the same and those t-birds are.

 

[quito]

Arrow, I am being policed, not the police.

you said with the amount that were being “posted and found” you believed they were “All” fakes..... That call, even though a mere opinion (which seems to count big everywhere else on this forum), covered a lot of people’s actual artifacts.

 

[jmaschal]

My two cents I don’t think arrow was trying call everything a fake and specifically to anyone else’s post except this one. This thunderbird appears consistent with a repo. I saw your shell one and it’s an intriguing piece out of my realm but really cool. Anyway, best of luck to everyone out there.

 

[quito]

My two cents I don’t think arrow was trying call everything a fake and specifically to anyone else’s post except this one. This thunderbird appears consistent with a repo. I saw your shell one and it’s an intriguing piece out of my realm but really cool. Anyway, best of luck to everyone out there.

Maybe wasn't trying, but he sure did.

Words and punctuation have meaning, and I pay attention to both.

 

[justonemore]

Did we all miss something here or did you get up on the wrong side of the bed quito? This is not like you.

As to the recent artifacts posted,some may be from NW Indiana, many are not . Agree with the others that the animal effigies are most likely not ancient.

 

[olroy70]

only time I have ever seen one has NOT been in the field.........all usually in shops, etc!!!

 

[quito]

Did we all miss something here or did you get up on the wrong side of the bed quito? This is not like you.

As to the recent artifacts posted,some may be from NW Indiana, many are not . Agree with the others that the animal effigies are most likely not ancient.

I just get a little grumpy when I see my posts are being edited, and not made aware i broke some rule.

 

[Tnmountains]

It is not a fake it a reproduction of a figure that has never been documented in archeological digs. Nice workmanship. Modern knapper must have been practicing.
Thanks for sharing. Your other points are the ones you want to learn about.
Good luck.

 

[Charl]

There are genuine, as in non-modern, such effigies, mostly confined to the northern plains area. Especially among the Mandan. Makes me wonder if our good friend Larson ever found any. Anyway, they are never knapped, but rather carved, and can be of shell, bone, or from non-knappable stones like catlinite or limestone. Illustrations show genuine examples:

Artifact Forum | Arrowheads.com :: Topic: Thunderbird Effigies (Carved) (1/1)

 

[babylonboots]

I have one that is authentic. It was passed down to me years ago. From Missouri...

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I have one that is authentic. It was passed down to me years ago. From Missouri...

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Don't think that is a thunderbird, it is an unfinished arrow head.

 

[unclemac]

or a chicken....

 

[arrow86]

or a chicken....

Lol that’s funny chicken is first thing I saw too but I would say it’s prob a point that broke and was reworked it definitely is odd looking.

 

[reuellis]

Treasure_Hunter: maybe not a thunderbird but an unfinished arrowhead? At over 3” long? Nothing about that says arrowhead.

 

[sandchip]

I can't and won't give an opinion on the age or authenticity of the piece, but it definitely appears to be an effigy of some type of bird. That's a lot of pressure flaking all the way around to be an unfinished arrowhead. Looks like a crowing rooster or a singing bird. Cool change from the usual thunderbirds.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Treasure_Hunter: maybe not a thunderbird but an unfinished arrowhead? At over 3” long? Nothing about that says arrowhead.

I have one I found like it, it is unfinished and it is 3 inches long as well.



Another one I found


Both found in mid Missouri.

 

[Kantuckkeean]

Treasure_Hunter: maybe not a thunderbird but an unfinished arrowhead? At over 3” long? Nothing about that says arrowhead.

Hard to tell from the photos, but the object that you're referring to is not "over 3" long". The measuring tape is in both metric and English units, so it's 3cm or maybe 1.25".

And it's obviously a legendary Thunderchicken!!

Kindest regards,
Kantuck

 

[reuellis]

Ha! Brain fart.....

 

[Mrtodd]

Given to me by my uncle who lives in sd. He said it was given to him by a big collector who claimed it was real.
Ive always assumed it was modern.