THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!

[PhipsFolly]

This probably is the wrong place to post this but I put it here because this topic affects all beach go'ers and th'ers...

For those folks that live on the Treasure Coast (and more specifically in Indian River County)... can someone tell me when Indian River County became a concentration camp?!!

After the hurricanes, IRC put up chain link fencing all around the Wabasso Beach access, installed a monstrousity that looks like a prison watch tower, and keeps folks from having access to the beach "after hours". At numerous IRC parks, there are signs stating all the things you can't do on the beach... no fishing, no diving, and so on... ok so what's left to do on the beach?!! I went to go for an early morning walk to watch the sunrise and the park gates aren't being opened until well after sunrise (in many cases 8am or later). And now we have another step towards invading our rights...

A pole with a CCTV Camera has now been installed on the Dune at Turtle Trail Beach Access. WHY?!! I questioned a local law enforcement officer about this and he stated that it was John's Island that installed the camera. After much conversation and debate, the officer finally broke down and told me that it actually was IRC Parks Department that installed the camera. Why would he lie about this?!! It was also reasoned that this particular beach access was chosen to do this because it was not as heavily used as the others in the area and if they could "get away with" installing a CCTV Camera here without anyone complaining about it, then it would be easier to pass legislation to install these in all the beach accesses. Why are they doing this?!! If they are allowed to do this on one place, where does this stop?!!

I don't know how you all feel about this, but I don't believe that this is acceptable. We should have the right to go to the beach without being molested by the government "eye in the sky"... I have spoken to many others who agree and we will be speaking out through media and attending county commission meetings. I am tired of the rich controlling what goes on at the beach and i am tired of paying in tax dollars for the rich to have the homes shored up with crap fill sand because they chose to build someplace that should never have been built on in the first place. As far as i'm concerned, it is my fondest wish that Mother Nature wipes the slate clean and the beach goes back to being the way it was meant to be... a place devoid of privileged people... the beaches should be enjoyed by everyone!!

Have I lost my mind and am I fanatical... you better believe it and its about damn time! So why am I ranting on about this? I am just asking that anyone who feels the same way about these issues, please stand up and be counted. Go to the county meetings and be heard. Go to the newspapers and put in your 2 cents worth. Oh yeah, and if you happen to pass that CCTV Camera at Turtle Trail Beach access, give 'em a nice one finger wave... you know the finger...

 

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[billinstuart]

Tom, you silly savage......

Actually, it was a response to that poster as stated. I have a friend who is a detective, and I know that there is a problem with this type of activity at our beaches. As unattractive as it is, it is a victimless crime, and as a personal libertarian, I'm offended when I'm restriced from using our beaches (which IS germain to this forum) or being watched while I'm using innocently using our beaches. The original post here was a complaint about limited access and use, and unnecessary survielence is simply another step in justifying this limited access. What's next, a fee to walk on the beach? Maybe a "beach license", where we have to have permission? Extreme? Maybe, but Daytona and others charge to drive on the beach.

 

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[ScottyLee]

Two accused of exposing themselves at Martin beach


By Jill Taylor

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, December 19, 2007

Martin sheriff's deputies working undercover at Bob Graham Beach arrested two men Tuesday on charges the men exposed themselves to the deputies in separate incidents after brief conversations in the woods about possible sexual activity. The two, a 40-year-old man from Pennsylvania and a 77-year-old man from Connecticut, were released from the Martin County jail after posting $1,000 bond each. The sheriff's office frequently conducts undercover operations at area beaches because of complaints that men expose themselves in public and bother beachgoers with unwanted propositio

 

[billinstuart]

It's just too ironic that a first poster comes to an unlikely site such as this, and takes the stance he did on that subject. He was obviously up to something...it was NOT an innocent post. Probably law enforcement, trying to see if he could entice someone out. If I offended anyone besides "Beach Patrol" I apologize.

Everyone knows about Bob Graham Beach..it's the brunt of jokes on construction sites. Cripes, I'm afraid to go there and hunt (for treasure dammit!) because someone may see my truck...

Bill Frondorf
Your resident pervert apparently

 

[wreckdiver1715]

LOL,

Bill, surveillance cameras at the beach may keep the perverts away from the beach, and then you could hunt without fear of being miss identified by your friends.

Do you think that any of THEM use metal detectors?

Is that a balanced shaft you have there fella...


Tom

 

[Admiral de Salee]

My 6 greats Grandfather died in the Revolution, he had loaned the Treasury 100 lbs. of silver during a coinage shortage (my understanding is it was never repaid). It was mentioned in the 'coin book' a couple years ago. We are close to a point in the present that anywhere in the Declaration that the King is mentioned, American Government (or elite) can be substituted and it would once again become relevant to our present predicament. One of my ancestors (and myself) have been in every American war since the beginning, and to the present. and yet we forget and even disrespect that our brothers of whatever nationality can say the same.
Hopefully I am not banned for my expression, I beg forgiveness for this transgression. If you don't see me here no'mo' no'mo', I'm be headin' to my new home, Gitmo.
Iowas' getting cold anyway. (anybody got a place where I can hide??)
ALL IN ALL, JUST ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL....

Similar thoughts here, 6-great grandpa was at Valley Forge. Members of my family fought in all the wars. Mine was the Southeast Asia War Games (2nd Place).
The 2-party system is a joke. Look at the clowns they nominate. Best and Brightest? It's like choosing between hanging and drowning. The reality of who & what governs is something along the lines of a Ludlum book. Politics is a Punch & Judy show and never has been what's portrayed in the media. People like Geo. Bernard Shaw believed that good people would run things, but it's the bad people who gravitate toward the power. Lawyers and other Liars. You see it start at the school board level.
The gov't spends time legislating my freedoms out of existence and not curing public ills (I could quote Shaw on whether or not gov'ts think poverty is a good thing). When they outlaw all outdoor smoking and I'm burning a Kool Filta King on my front porch and they come for me, they'd better have their flippin' wigs on straight..

 

[954hunter]

Fellow MDers,

The interesting focal point actually is not the cameras...


It's why the cop lied.

Here is the mystery that has covered our hobby?/avocation like a dark cloud of killer bees.
I'm with this guys opinion.

Cap Z.

Pacification? (IE: leave me alone)

After much conversation and debate, the officer finally broke down and told me that it actually was IRC Parks Department that installed the camera.

 

[954hunter]

I was planning on leaving this topic alone but have decided to throw my two cents in after all........I'm a cop, although I am mildly curious to speak with THers I encounter on the beach, for my own MDing reasons, I could care less , from a professional standpoint, what THers do on the beach and am usually too busy to worry about them recovering the Hope diamond......although they can prolly expect me to beat them there in the mornings to follow....I doubt that the cop in question knows who or why the camera was placed on the beach and he was just trying to give you the best, most satifying, answer he could come up with.........local law enforcement is not something to fear, we're just "dumb cops" and never really in the loop.

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Thanks 954hunter, and welcome aboard TreasureNet. And thank you for all you and your fellow officers do for us.
Now if you guys could convince those judges to keep the criminal element locked up, instead of letting them out all the time just to prey on the rest of us until they get caught again, locked up, and let back out on the street's again and again. I know it's job security for you guys, but life would be sooooo much better if we lock them up and keep them there.
Maybe then, there would be no need to place surveillance cameras in public places.

Tom

 

[JamesE]

I'll say "Welcome, too, to 954", anybody that has a bitch about cops should try to consider that our society wouldn't be close to what it is without the sense of (hierarchal) personal security they provide to each of us. Having said that, if we can't afford a cop on every corner, every law abiding citizen should be allowed to carry (with training) some kind of personal defence, whether handgun or whatever. Something gov't supported like what used to be, in the NRA and Issac Walton hey day.
If the officer might've said, "Hell, I don't know, they don't tell me anything, I get paid to do what I'm told. and fired if I don't." I'm pretty sure this thread would be bare.
Totally off topic, just askin' 954:
As an officer, would you rather deal with drunks or loadies?
Have you considerd what side you'll be on when America and the world figures out the rigged voting and election shenanigans?
As it is, we don't see it because of corporate ownership of the Press. Sorry Mr. Edwards, we know that corporations, are owned by Billionaires, and you lost by true democracy in IA caucuses. And Ms. Clinton, Bush already played the Insurance card to the elderly, Confusion all around, pander, pander, pander, oh gush, Insurance (now called HMO's) companies are our friends.
And the only winners in the "War on Terror" are defense contractors and the Israelis.
WANDERED>>> WAY>>>OFF >>topic, but still, the cop probably didn't know why he was there either...
and thanks Admiral, I've been kinda' lonely, (war games vet also)
nimby (not in MY backyard...it's frozen)

 

[GreenMeanie]

I had to laugh one time.
They have a place where you can control the cam at an airport and see what people are doing.
What do you think the people where doing with the cam?

Thats right trying to zoom in on boobies and butts.
I am sick of all the cams they are installing around CT knowing that is what they are doing with these cams. Even at Walmart I heard the pervs are doing the same thing.

 

[PhipsFolly]

I wonder if the government would mind if we put cameras in their offices, on their streets, in the places that they frequent and we, the people they supposedly work for, get to watch everything they do? Hummmmm... they don't have anything to hide, do they?

If the beach camera was pointed at the parking area and it was for crime deterence, that's one thing. But it's not! What are they looking at on the beach? Uhhhh... lemme' think... a nice piece of "ace" maybe!!

And who's watching those that are watching us? Where does this stop? Do you really want to leave it up to our government on how far they will be allowed to take it when it comes to "watching over us" for our own good?!!! Just food for thought...

Feeling oppressed... Phips

 

[mad4wrecks]

JUPITER ISLAND — Hobe Sound Beach will be open 24 hours a day for at least the next three months.

The Town Commission unanimously voted Tuesday to suspend enforcement of an ordinance that, among other things, would have closed the county-owned beach from a half hour after sunset to a half hour before sunrise.

The delay will give the Public Safety Department time to work with the Martin County Sheriff's Office to evaluate problems at the beach and determine whether the ordinance is still necessary.

"I think we were on the right track with this ordinance, but perhaps we moved too quickly," said Mayor Charles Falcone.

Chief Ted Gonzales, the town's public safety director, had suggested delaying enforcement of the ordinance for a year after talking with Sheriff Robert Crowder last week about stepping up patrols of the beach. Commissioners said three months would be long enough to evaluate the situation.