This is an open response to DeepseekerADS and Others

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This is an open response to DeepseekerADS and Others:

I have to wounder what you are thinking every time you post on this forum or any other forum, you place yourself on a soapbox of ideology without analyzing history, I find that you are blinded by one-side of a coin never realizing that the flip side is the same.
After these last years I'm finally back where I was not richer or poorer but with a stable environment where my family work hard but have time for each other, is America perfect, no, but there is nowhere I rather be than here, I will defend this Nation today as I have in the past and not stick my head in the sand and pretend that only one side is wrong or right but I have taught my kids one lesson that i hope they carry throughout their life and that is don't throw stones if you do not wished to be stoned.....

Benghazi Attack where 4 Americans were killed but hold on this is not the first time is it, so whats different

1983 Beirut barracks bombing, "241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured"
."There was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans, besides a few shelling. In December 1983, U.S. aircraft from the USS John F. Kennedy and USS Independence battle groups attacked Syrian targets in Lebanon, but this was ostensibly in response to Syrian missile attacks on American warplanes"
June 25, 1996 The Khobar Towers bombing, 19 United States Air Force
"After the bombings at Khobar Towers, the US military and intelligence community came under heavy criticism for their lack of preparation and foresight for what was considered an intelligence failure. There were "significant shortcomings in planning, intelligence, and basic security left American forces in Saudi Arabia vulnerable."
There are many more such as the USS Cole bombing, sh!t happens and yes we want the truth, but the truth sometimes is not convenient, for many who have never served in the military,they seem to be the first to call for blood and the charge of the cavalry but at what cost another Mogadishu.

O and then you have Halliburton the most hated company within the Military, bid on contracts which they did not qualify for, because of Cheney Halliburton became not just an unreliable part of the supply chain but also maneuvered themselves into political decisions that where outside there scope.
The Wall Street Journal reported in 2001 that a subsidiary of Halliburton Energy Services called Halliburton Products and Services Ltd. (HPS) opened an office in Tehran. The company, HPS, operated on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block. Although HPS was incorporated in the Cayman Islands in 1975 and is "non-American", it shares both the logo and name of Halliburton Energy Services and, according to Dow Jones Newswires, offers services from Halliburton units worldwide through its Tehran office. Such behavior, undertaken while Cheney was CEO of Halliburton, may have violated the Trading with the Enemy Act. A Halliburton spokesman, responding to inquiries from Dow Jones, said "This is not breaking any laws. This is a foreign subsidiary and no U.S. person is involved in this. No U.S. person is facilitating any transaction. We are not performing directly in that country." Later Dave Lesar would book his own flights to the Tehran office through the UK arm of KBR. No legal action has been taken against the company or its officials.[27]
The Federal Contractor Misconduct Database details 10 instances of misconduct since 1995 under which Halliburton has agreed to pay settlements of $791 million.[54] A further 22 instances of misconduct relate to the company's former subsidiary KBR.[55]
Lets not even talk of body armor that was suplied by Halliburton or the sub par food I not talking about the officers or advisers lol Im talking of all the front line joe, I can keep going on but next.

Enron o yea the baby of Bush and Cheney, yea
Lay was appointed as one of five members of the elite "Energy Department Transition Team," which set the stage for the Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force and administration policies designed to benefit corporations such as Enron. A report on "Bush Administration Contacts with Enron," compiled at the request of Congressman Henry Waxman, D-California, by the minority staff of the Special Investigations Division of the House Committee on Government Reform, U.S. House of Representatives, found evidence of at least 112 contacts between Enron and White House or other Administration officials during the month prior to the corporation's very-public collapse in late 2001. At least 40 of those contacts involved top White House officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, presidential advisor Karl Rove, White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey, White House personnel director Clay Johnson III, and White House energy task force director Andrew D. Lundquist. in the end Cheney and Bush walked away with there pockets full, again there is more, next...

Gun control
Most of you must have brain damage if you don't remember the Brady bill the most restrictive gun laws ever enacted...o yea By Ronald Reagan and his so heartfelt plea for gun control...
I have a question, what would happen to you if you shot your friend in the face with Buckshot?
The Dick Cheney hunting incident occurred on February 11, 2006, when then U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney shot Harry Whittington, a 78-year-old Texas attorney, while participating in aquail hunt on a ranch in Kenedy County, Texas.[1] Both Cheney and Whittington call the incident an accident.
First public news of the incident was called in to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times on February 12, 2006, by ranch owner Katharine Armstrong.[2] The Bush administration disclosed the shooting incident to the public the afternoon of February 12. Local authorities released a report on the shooting on February 16, 2006 and witness statements on February 22.
On February 14, 2006, Whittington suffered a non-fatal "silent" heart attack and atrial fibrillation due to at least one lead-shot pellet lodged in or near his heart.[3] Cheney did not speak publicly about the incident until February 15 in an interview with Fox News. Early reports indicated that Cheney and Whittington were friends and that the injuries were minor. Whittington has since told theWashington Post that he and Cheney were not close friends but acquaintances and has not said if Cheney apologized.[4]

NSA and the Patriot Act what on Gods Earth did you think it was for......head in sand.......
NSA accessing phone records and other data, really the NSA what do you people think the NSA does....The agency was formally established through a revision of National Security Council Intelligence Directive (NSCID) 9 on October 24, 1952,[5] and officially came into existence on November 4, 1952.
NSA's eavesdropping mission includes radio broadcasting, both from various organizations and individuals, the Internet, telephone calls, and other intercepted forms of communication. Its secure communications mission includes military, diplomatic, and all other sensitive, confidential or secret government communications. It has been described as the world's largest single employer of mathematicians,[31] and the owner of the single largest group of supercomputers,[32] but it has tried to keep a low profile. For many years, its existence was not acknowledged by the U.S. government, earning it the nickname, "No Such Agency" (NSA). It was also Joked that their motto is "Never Say Anything".[33

In the end I must thank you for all the great advice you contributed on this forum, I have found so much treasure from the assistance that you contributed here...... :BangHead:
 

And point is?

It was wrong when patriot act was passed, it is wrong spying on Americans then and still wrong now. Each adminstration has added new parts to the spying, but bottom line is it is wrong and it STILL is wrong.

You do not, we do not, I do not except "they been doing it all along so just keep doing it". I have been against patriot act since day 1.....



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And point is?

It was wrong when patriot act was passed, it is wrong spying on Americans then and still wrong now. Each adminstration and added new parts to it, but bottom line is it is wrong and it STILL is wrong.

You do not, we do not, I do not except "they been doing it all along so just keep doing it". I have been against patriot act since day 1.....



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With all due respect the NSA was established in 1952 did you manifest you protest or have you organized in protest against it, also the Patriot Act what have you done besides protesting now, can you show me on any forum where you raised you voice in protest.... How about the other topics......


I thought this is very interesting.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

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With all due respect the NSA was established in 1952 did you manifest you protest or have you organized in protest against it, also the Patriot Act what have you done besides protesting now, can you show me on any forum where you raised you voice in protest.... How about the other topics......


I thought this is very interesting.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States

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Beg your pardon,

I worked for air force intelligence while in air force, we got NSA briefings as well as other intelligence briefings including cia briefings, I will venture to say very, very few here ever got even one, much less hundreds or could read the docs the briefings were about so I am well aware of what goes on.

I have posted on other forums as well as written, called and faxed my congressional reps about the patriot act..


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Please stop getting your info from Wikipedia.. :occasion14:
 

And I worked for the NSA 1968 thru 1971. Back then it was all about our enemies.

Now I find that I am an enemy based on my conservative beliefs.....

What changed, except the our government? As stated in earlier posts, I disagreed with the Patriot Act when enacted. But we were all, both you and I and all other citizens, were traumatized by 9/11.

We wanted to be safe in our own nation. And now in the excuse of protecting us, they are controlling us.

A quite different ideal.

Study our history? Us older fellows are the history coming to you. And we want to make sure no one misses current events and the future unveiling itself in front of all of us.

You can always bury your head in the sand if you don't like reading what you see in front of you.

Deepseeker
 

Beg your pardon,

I worked for air force intelligence while in air force, we got NSA briefings as well as other intelligence briefings including cia briefings, I will venture to say very, very few here ever got even one, much less hundreds or could read the docs the briefings were about so I am well aware of what goes on.

I have posted on other forums as well as written, called and faxed my congressional reps about the patriot act..


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Then I apologies, I have always been informed that the NSA only brief the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Executive Branch, at no point did I know of any direct communication with the military unless through other channels.
The point comes down what did you expect of any of these agency's.
I will tell you something that happen to me after 911, I flew out of Boston the day after on a C130 there where some civilian contractors first res-ponders on the flight and one of them turned and stated to the other I cant believe we have solders patrolling the airport I found it ironic that with all the travel that I have done not to see some form of military or other para military unit such as intervention units patrolling the airports, there is no country in the world that does not have some sort of military patrolling an airport, like many the only thing I see is usually state police, but that is not even the point we must understand that agency's must keep up with technology good or bad, yes there is room for abuse but what are the alternatives. Laws have adopted to situations remember when there where no thing such as miranda rights or search warrants just walk right in and search your stuff would you like to go back to those days.
 

And I worked for the NSA 1968 thru 1971. Back then it was all about our enemies.

Now I find that I am an enemy based on my conservative beliefs.....

What changed, except the our government? As stated in earlier posts, I disagreed with the Patriot Act when enacted. But we were all, both you and I and all other citizens, were traumatized by 9/11.

We wanted to be safe in our own nation. And now in the excuse of protecting us, they are controlling us.

A quite different ideal.

Study our history? Us older fellows are the history coming to you. And we want to make sure no one misses current events and the future unveiling itself in front of all of us.

You can always bury your head in the sand if you don't like reading what you see in front of you.

Deepseeker

HI, at no point is this an attack on you or your views, if you noticed I stated that same coin for both of them.
What I am in reference is, that at the time of your service there was no cell phones no internet no texting and a million other forms of transmitting info we must adopt to technology and if for some reason you find yourself at odds with that then don't text don't email don't use the internet its like saying i cant listen to you out side whispering to some one next to you, by putting your trash on the curve you have invited them to search...

thank you
P.S. at no point take this as an argument or attack just a good conversation among adults.....
 

Then I apologies, I have always been informed that the NSA only brief the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Executive Branch, at no point did I know of any direct communication with the military unless through other channels.
The point comes down what did you expect of any of these agency's.
I will tell you something that happen to me after 911, I flew out of Boston the day after on a C130 there where some civilian contractors first res-ponders on the flight and one of them turned and stated to the other I cant believe we have solders patrolling the airport I found it ironic that with all the travel that I have done not to see some form of military or other para military unit such as intervention units patrolling the airports, there is no country in the world that does not have some sort of military patrolling an airport, like many the only thing I see is usually state police, but that is not even the point we must understand that agency's must keep up with technology good or bad, yes there is room for abuse but what are the alternatives. Laws have adopted to situations remember when there where no thing such as miranda rights or search warrants just walk right in and search your stuff would you like to go back to those days.

Historically, the NSA was actually far more active than people could imagine. I was assigned with an infantry unit, but also briefed general staff at times. Coming down the Meng Yeng Pass (famous for 2,000 French troops buried standing up facing France) in a 3/4 ton & trailer, my brakes failed and I crashed into another vehicle. I had to be med-vac'd out. An infantry unit with mechanized support guarded my vehicle all night until it could be extracted.

But, we weren't there.....
 

HI, at no point is this an attack on you or your views, if you noticed I stated that same coin for both of them.
What I am in reference is, that at the time of your service there was no cell phones no internet no texting and a million other forms of transmitting info we must adopt to technology and if for some reason you find yourself at odds with that then don't text don't email don't use the internet its like saying i cant listen to you out side whispering to some one next to you, by putting your trash on the curve you have invited them to search...

thank you
P.S. at no point take this as an argument or attack just a good conversation among adults.....

Well, you did make a point to specifically name me in your post....

But, no harm, and no offense taken.

You'll note that between TH and I, we have very specific experience on the NSA, and the evolution it has taken. We may be older, and more conservative now, but most of the time we make very valid points.
 

My point is that it does not matter where or when it started, it is wrong it is like a snowball rolling down hill it needs to stop now... You don't continue to condone it because it happen before, and you sure don't tolerate it escalating 10 fold under a single adminstration..

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Please stop getting your info from Wikipedia.. :occasion14:

Terry you are correct but Wikipedia is just reference for dates with out having to search every periodical, at no point did anything I stated be untrue.
I you would like to contribute with facts on Enron, Halliburton, Brady bill, Iran Contra, or any other thing you can add than pleas join us....
 

My point is that it does not matter where or when it started, it is wrong it is like a snowball rolling down hill it needs to stop now... You don't continue to condone it because it happen before, and you sure don't tolerate it escalating 10 fold under a single adminstration..

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ok so a solution and how do we build intelligence when some are born here, how do we protect our way of life with the million forms of communication and by the millions i am in reference to all the company's that offer some form of communication hell i just got informed from Comcast I can now text with my home number...
 

You do not do it by trampling on our rights, our freedoms or our constitution... I fear our government destroying our rights and freedoms far more than I fear any terrorist organization....



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Well, you did make a point to specifically name me in your post....

But, no harm, and no offense taken.

You'll note that between TH and I, we have very specific experience on the NSA, and the evolution it has taken. We may be older, and more conservative now, but most of the time we make very valid points.

The reason I Mentioned you Is not out of disrespect its because you are all over the place, what was you view on Brady bill in comparison to the one lets say NY, how about Benghazi I comparison to all the other barracks and embassy's, how about corruption in addmin such as Enron , Halliburton Its a huge statement on your point of view...
 

ok so a solution and how do we build intelligence when some are born here, how do we protect our way of life with the million forms of communication and by the millions i am in reference to all the company's that offer some form of communication hell i just got informed from Comcast I can now text with my home number...

Welcome back Stocky!

I missed you.

Crispin
 

Well the way i see it....they can`t see the trees for the forest....why look at 60 million people or more?
You will surely miss most of the people that mean us harm!
"Make yourselves sheep and the Wolves will eat you "
Gary
 

You do not do it by trampling on our rights, our freedoms or our constitution... I fear our government destroying our rights and freedoms far more than I fear any terrorist organization....



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And I respect that but I rather have big brother, I believe in a national Id, I find it ironic that a drivers licence is considered ID considering some states you can get one even if you are just on a visa....lol
 

I find this post interesting in a couple of ways. I don't know the age of the OP, but do know that most of the rest of us are of the same era.

The rights that we are speaking of , and defending are ones that we have lived, worked for, defended, and in recent years see being eroded by uninformed and judgemental people who are nowhere as well informed about how it used to be, and preach to us about our lack of historical knowledge. With all due respect, our knowledge of the history we speck of was lived, and not learned from cyber space, where any one can say, and preach anything and not be held respondsible, your just a name or a number. Understand where we are coming from before you make broad statements about our knowledge and beliefs, they are real, and well formulated!
 

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