The Treasure of Captain William Kidd.

[releventchair]

So you're trying to play "I got the cookie" like Kidd did?
Good luck with that. It didn't work for him either.

If your belief is based on an unconfirmed photo...It's rather thin gravy to base much claim on just yet.

 

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[Randawg72]

It was not the first time he was claiming buried treasure?

Part of the Earl of Bellomont's letter discussing Captain Kidd's treasure (TNA, CO 5/1043). The National Archives, London, UK. below.

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Crow

Not 'buried' treasure, Kidd was trying to bargain with the remaining silks, spices, and other valuable cargo that he left behind on the Quedagh Merchant. What Kidd didn't know, was that the men he had left to guard the ship had already sold off this plunder and burned the ship.

 

[Randawg72]

Mr Freeman,
Bravo. You found one faded and useless pic. I don't claim to know everything about Kidd. In fact I learn something new about him nearly every day. The issue was, did Wilkins draw the Kidd/Palmer maps. I said no, he didn't. And if Wilkins had spent the time to draw them, then why only one vague and incidental reference in his book? Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Mr Freeman,
Bravo. You found one faded and useless pic. I don't claim to know everything about Kidd. In fact I learn something new about him nearly every day. The issue was, did Wilkins draw the Kidd/Palmer maps. I said no, he didn't. And if Wilkins had spent the time to draw them, then why only one vague and incidental reference in his book? Thank you for proving my point.

There are several "treasure maps" in the books by Wilkins.

 

[Randawg72]

There are several "treasure maps" in the books by Wilkins.

If you have some new information to share that we haven't covered, I'd love to hear it.

 

[Old Bookaroo]

If you have some new information to share that we haven't covered, I'd love to hear it.

The Harold T. Wilkins books "speak" for themselves.

 

[Crow]

Days before his execution Kidd attempted to bargain his way out. He wrote to Robert Harley, the leader of the Tories, offering to reveal the location of his hidden plunder, which was worth £100,000. Harley declined and Kidd took the secret to the gallows with him. The secret location of Kidd’s treasure – if it existed – was never found.

source Kidd's letter of May 12th 1701 to the Speaker of the House of Commons Robert Harley: Museum of London.

Picture of Robert Harley Below

Crow

 

[Crow]

Some questions springs to mind.

1: Why was there no confirmation of this alleged buried treasure in the indies from other crew members being tried for piracy? After all Mullens was hung beside Kidd

2. No where in his trial and desperate letters there any mention of a chart?

3. Captain Kidd lived in Boston How did his alleged furniture end up in England two hundred years later anyway?

4. How did Kid have physical time to plant and hide treasure maps in items of furniture?

5. What are the odds all those alleged maps was allegedly found by Palmer?

6. Sara Kidd's petition letter requesting the return of items taken from her house in Boston was money silver tankard knives and forks. there is no mention of items of desk furniture or sea chests.

7. Kidd was left in New gate prison just shy of a year in cell and just the clothes on his back?

8. If he knew where this alleged treasure was why did he not recover it and take the spoils home to his partners. His crew would of got their share he his and his backers a share. There would of been no need to capture the ships to begin with?

There are just few questions you need to address amigo. As basing ones theory on the shaky fountain of interpretations of alleged Palmer maps pertaining to Captain Kidd no longer does not cut it in 21st century.

Crow

 

[Old Bookaroo]

Some questions springs to mind.

1: Why was there no confirmation of this alleged buried treasure in the indies from other crew members being tried for piracy? After all Mullens was hung beside Kidd

2. No where in his trial and desperate letters there any mention of a chart?

3. Captain Kidd lived in Boston How did his alleged furniture end up in England two hundred years later anyway?

4. How did Kid have physical time to plant and hide treasure maps in items of furniture?

5. What are the odds all those alleged maps was allegedly found by Palmer?

6. Sara Kidd's petition letter requesting the return of items taken from her house in Boston was money silver tankard knives and forks. there is no mention of items of desk furniture or sea chests.

7. Kidd was left in New gate prison just shy of a year in cell and clothes on his back?

8. If he knew where this alleged treasure was why did he not recover it and take the spoils home to his partners. His crew would of got their share he his and his backers a share. There would of been no need to capture the ships to begin with?

There are just few questions you need to address amigo. As basing ones theory on the shaky fountain of interpretations of alleged Palmer maps pertaining to Captain Kidd no longer does not cut it in 21st century.

Crow

Crow - Perhaps, on a very good day, some lucky soul might find a Captain Kidd treasure map hidden in a piece of furniture. But three or four times?

This sounds more like Richard Knight's treasure than Captain Kidd's.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

 

[Crow]

Crow - Perhaps, on a very good day, some lucky soul might find a Captain Kidd treasure map hidden in a piece of furniture. But three or four times?

This sounds more like Richard Knight's treasure than Captain Kidd's.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

I agree why would you have a mirror with a skull and cross bones on it?

Crow

 

[Randawg72]

Mr Crow,
1) If you hid a valuable treasure, would you share its location with a crew of pirates? I'm sure that few if any crew members knew about the treasure.
2) Why would there be. If Kidd's prosecutors were given a chart, how could Kidd use his knowledge of the treasure's location as leverage?
3) (230+ years; Kidd lived in New York and was arrested in Boston) Wealthy inmates had furniture, alcohol, and even slaves while in jail. One of Kidd's chests was owned for years by the head jailer at Newgate.
4) I estimate that Kidd hid his treasure sometime in 1698, and he was executed on May 8th, 1701. So he had about 3 years to hide maps.
5) Slim. But Palmer had money, and he scoured auctions and antique sales looking for Kidd relics. He also employed agents and spotters to assist in his search at a time when most people in the world were struggling just to feed themselves.
6) An old desk and empty chests were not considered valuable assets.
7) Not true.
8) Honesty got him executed. In hindsight, do you think presenting more money would have really mattered? ..(PS: What ships?)

Your opinions are noted. All hidden treasures can be considered alleged until they are found.

 

[Randawg72]

Crow - Perhaps, on a very good day, some lucky soul might find a Captain Kidd treasure map hidden in a piece of furniture. But three or four times?

This sounds more like Richard Knight's treasure than Captain Kidd's.

Good luck to all,

The Old Bookaroo

Richard Knight had the right idea, ..he just had the wrong island. 😉