The mysterious death of Adolph Ruth

greg..i think there is alot of info on ruth that people haven't come forth with yet....every time a new tv show comes out more people let go of some lost info after seeing the show...maybe in the next year or two more people will come forward


Gregory E. Davis, azdave35,

The Maricopa County Sheriff's file on the Adolph Ruth missing persons investigation was unavailable to the public until 1982. The reason given for the 50 year closure was it contained specific information that if made public would hamper the Sheriff's Department from identifying persons suspected of involvement in the disappearance and death of Adolph Ruth. Certain specific things contained in the file would be known only to the Sheriff's investigators and the persons involved in the disappearance and death. If theses specific details became general knowledge either through the press or the release of information in the file, the investigators would lose the ability to identify someone who knew these specific details.

The Maricopa County Sheriff's office routinely destroys files that are 70 years old. In 2008 they destroyed all the files between the years 1930 - 1935. These files were actually kept longer than the procedure allows because they contained the Winnie Ruth-Judd murder case files.

Gregory E. Davis is right, several people did take the time and effort to gain access to the Adolph Ruth missing persons file.
azdave35 is correct, a lot of information on the Adolph Ruth mystery has been withheld but is begining to be talked about. One drawback is some of the information is very sensitive and descendants of some of the families who were involved are still living in the Phoenix-Mesa area.

Matthew
 

deducer,

I'm a little surprised that you don't know that we found Eleanor Clark a number of years ago. She gave Garry all of the letters she had and there was no Peralta book. All of this can be found on Garry's site: The Adolph Ruth Story

Good luck

Joe

Hi Joe,

No I wasn't aware. Thanks for the heads up.

So now we have a contradiction- Glenn Reynolds said he saw a PERALTA book, she says she doesn't have it. Who is telling the truth? I have no reason to believe that Glenn Reynolds made things up or otherwise told lies. What do you think?
 

Hi Joe,

No I wasn't aware. Thanks for the heads up.

So now we have a contradiction- Glenn Reynolds said he saw a PERALTA book, she says she doesn't have it. Who is telling the truth? I have no reason to believe that Glenn Reynolds made things up or otherwise told lies. What do you think?

deducer,

Along those lines, I know that Gene was a bit unreliable. Like many in this vein, I believe Gene may have stretched the truth now and again. If you get the chance, talk to Tom Kollenborn about him. On the other hand, he was in the search early and had good contacts and sources. It's worth the effort to find his book (on CD) and read it. That may be hard to do, but many people have copies. I will be happy to get a copy for you.

Good luck,

Joe
 

deducer,

It is my belief-opinion that Gene Reynolds didn't say Eleanor Ruth-Clark had the "Peralta" book. What he said was Stella Ruth-Hawkins had Erwin Ruth's things and her niece (Eleanor) had a habit of taking things.

At no time did Gene or Stella say Eleanor Clark took ALL of Erwin's things. To say Eleanor Clark had the Peralta book would be at best an assumption.

Many things could have happened to that Peralta book. It could still still be with Stella just not filed or found with Erwin's things. It could have been lost. It could be mis-filed somewhere. It could have been given away or taken by someone-anyone.

It could be with Earl Ruth, or even Charles Ruth who was Adolph Ruth's son of whom almost no one is aware.

Matthew
 

deducer,

It is my belief-opinion that Gene Reynolds didn't say Eleanor Ruth-Clark had the "Peralta" book. What he said was Stella Ruth-Hawkins had Erwin Ruth's things and her niece (Eleanor) had a habit of taking things.

At no time did Gene or Stella say Eleanor Clark took ALL of Erwin's things. To say Eleanor Clark had the Peralta book would be at best an assumption.

Many things could have happened to that Peralta book. It could still still be with Stella just not filed or found with Erwin's things. It could have been lost. It could be mis-filed somewhere. It could have been given away or taken by someone-anyone.

It could be with Earl Ruth, or even Charles Ruth who was Adolph Ruth's son of whom almost no one is aware.

Matthew

Matthew,

Here is what Gene actually wrote:



Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo
 

cactusjumper,

Yes, that makes the issue much clearer but in the excerpt from what Gene wrote he doesn't say that Eleanor Ruth-Clark (Stella's niece) actually has the Peralta book.
Gene advised Eleanor to retrieve the book for safe keeping but Gene doesn't know if Eleanor ever did this or not.
I don't know how Gene could direct Eleanor to take something from Stella in the first place. Gene was not in charge of Stella's things so I don't quite understand his taking charge like that.

A lot could have happened to that book after Gene saw it last and it can't be assumed Eleanor followed through on Gene's orders to take it from Stella.

Matthew
 

cactusjumper,

Yes, that makes the issue much clearer but in the excerpt from what Gene wrote he doesn't say that Eleanor Ruth-Clark (Stella's niece) actually has the Peralta book.
Gene advised Eleanor to retrieve the book for safe keeping but Gene doesn't know if Eleanor ever did this or not.
I don't know how Gene could direct Eleanor to take something from Stella in the first place. Gene was not in charge of Stella's things so I don't quite understand his taking charge like that.

A lot could have happened to that book after Gene saw it last and it can't be assumed Eleanor followed through on Gene's orders to take it from Stella.

Matthew

so gene just left the book in the cellar where he found it?
 

azdave35, deducer, cactusjumper,

It's pretty clear Gene did leave the Peralta book with Stella in her basement.
I don't believe Eleanor Clark ever got the Peralta book or it most surely would have been with the things she donated in 2008.
If the Peralta book was still with Stella in her basement when she died, it could be anywhere and with anyone at this point.

Matthew
 

azdave35, deducer, cactusjumper,

It's pretty clear Gene did leave the Peralta book with Stella in her basement.
I don't believe Eleanor Clark ever got the Peralta book or it most surely would have been with the things she donated in 2008.
If the Peralta book was still with Stella in her basement when she died, it could be anywhere and with anyone at this point.

Matthew

something stinks about this...no treasure hunter would have left that book where he found it
 

something stinks about this...no treasure hunter would have left that book where he found it

It's right up there with Ernie Provence leaving "Religious Conquest of the Americas" at the Phoenix Library without even photocopying it or taking extensive notes.

My instinct is that it would have solved another big mystery.
 

It's right up there with Ernie Provence leaving "Religious Conquest of the Americas" at the Phoenix Library without even photocopying it or taking extensive notes.

My instinct is that it would have solved another big mystery.

does anyone know when gene supposedly saw this book?...
 

does anyone know when gene supposedly saw this book?...

Dave,

Here is what Gene wrote:

"On one of my visits to Stella's home we spent about 13 or so hours there." He then proceeds to write about going down into the cellar.

That's as much "time" information as he provides for seeing the Peralta book. If there is something more specific, I don't have the motivation to find it.

Take care,

Joe
 

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I bought mine many, many years ago for $5.00. I don't remember seeing it at the museum any more. But like Walter Gaslers manuscript, it might show up again. I have a couple of Ruths books, 1 is love story.
 

Matthew Roberts wrote : " I believe Adolph Ruth brought with him to Arizona more information that just a map or two. "

Matthew , IMO , Adolph Ruth had nothing more than the maps . I believe also how if Erwin acquired three maps from the Gonzales family , those maps would been , the " Gonzales " map with the line WN-4peaks , the " Locator " map and a map for a mine in Clifornia . The Perfil map came in Ruth possession after 1930 .
The place where A.Ruth made a camp in the Supers , shows how he hadn't any instruction to find " that old mine which the Gonzales never would want to give it to the Americanos " . Is clear he didn't know what represented each map and what directions he would take to solve them .
If one man had the directions for that old mine , that man was the soldier who was the intermediar " savior " for the Gonzales family . Maybe Ruth didn't know how the two maps were for two different mines in the Superstitions . Gonzales wrote about one old mine and not about few mines on a mountain side , which is the requested for the LDM .
 

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It's right up there with Ernie Provence leaving "Religious Conquest of the Americas" at the Phoenix Library without even photocopying it or taking extensive notes.

My instinct is that it would have solved another big mystery.

deducer,

When it came to spinning a yarn, few could equal Ernie Provence, but I believe Gene would have given him a run for his money. Two very interesting men . Lots of other names could be added.

Good luck,

Joe
 

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Good evening Matthew; here is a question for you and thoughts for the readers of this thread. Since you had the opportunity to read the Sheriff's report, did the Maricopa County Sheriff have a suspect or suspects who they believed murdered Ruth? Cordially, Gregory E. Davis

hello Gregory, this is a very good and very complex question. As in most all disappearance and "suspected" murder investigations, the last people to have been with, or seen with or talked with the victim last, are always considered suspects until they can be cleared by a confirmed "alibi". The issue of an alibi was confused in the Ruth investigation because the established time of Mr. Ruth's disappearance was known only to those who were the prime suspects.

The prime suspects in Adolph Ruth's disappearance were: LeRoy Purnell, Jack Keenan and Collins Morse.

As the investigation proceeded and more facts and information were learned, a whole host of persons became what investigators called, "persons of interest".

Those people were, in no special order of importance; Ray Howland, Wm.A. Barkley, Milton Rose, Thomas Dickens, George B. Holmes.

It should be made clear that none of these people were accused of any wrongdoing. Nor were any of them ever charged with anything. They all were, however, questioned repeatedly by the Maricopa County Sheriff's office.

Maricopa Co. Deputy investigator Lon Jordan was the person in charge of the Ruth missing persons investigation. Later that investigation became a cause of death investigation. Sheriff MacFadden had little to do with the investigation because bu October of 1931 he was completely consumed by the Winnie Ruth-Judd double murder case. MacFaddens contribution to the Adolph Ruth matter was mostly photo ops.

A few things that contradict some myths and beliefs about the Adolph Ruth mystery: Adolph Ruth was perfectly able to drive his automobile. He shared expenses and driving time with a man going to the west coast. Ruth could not drive continuously and needed to be spelled because his right leg would eventually cramp up on him. This was due to his breaking his leg in the Anza-Borego desert looking for a lost mine in the 20's. Also Ruth's night vision was not good for driving after dark.

The man's name who accompanied Ruth to Arizona was known only to Adolph Ruth. Ruth's wife and family did not want him to make the trip to Arizona and they did not know the man who was accompanying him on the Journey. Ruth had purchased a new automobile in March 1931 for the trip, a 1930 Essex. Collins Cal Morse remembered meeting the man who accompanied Ruth and was introduced to him but later when pressed could not recall his name. The man waited at Morse's place for the bus then got on and finished his journey to California. Somehow a story got circulated that the man's name was McKnight, but McKnight was Wil McKnight a nephew or cousin of Tex Barkley who was working at the Barkley ranch and was present at Cal Morse Bus Stop and Gas Station when Mr. Ruth arrived there. Tex Barkley's mother was living in Mesa at the time, her maiden name was McKnight.

later on in the investigation, after Ruth's skull was found with what appeared to be a bullet hole through it, more names were added to the Sheriff's list of "persons of interest".

Matthew
 

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