the great deception of swift

[KY Hiker]

I am hoping to get down on Swift Camp Creek with my camera this Winter and get some photos of Mrs. Timmin's mine opening. If/when I do I will share those photos on here.

 

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[Brushy Bandit]

Both?

 

[Brushy Bandit]

Someone posted a phrase ( Geology wont lie) . I n doing some studying on the geology of the area that Timmons was said to have found a rich silver vein/ore and the general geology of Eastern Ky. It surprises me that there isn't a hole through every hill in Ky. east of Campton to the Va, W.Va. and Ohio borders. Some very interesting facts when ya really study the geologic facts about the area. The fact is that the area is all of the (Lower Pennsylvanian - Middle Pennsylvanian) age .

Ken just about every hill in my area does have a hole in it. There are small unmarked mines everywhere, of the many I've found some have coal scattered everywhere, some don't. These are mostly small crawl in mines used by families or communities and dug by shovel

 

[Ken S.]

Ken just about every hill in my area does have a hole in it. There are small unmarked mines everywhere, of the many I've found some have coal scattered everywhere, some don't. These are mostly small crawl in mines used by families or communities and dug by shovel

Yep know what you're saying there is 15 0n the hollow where I live and it isn't 4 mile or so long. Most of them was commercial operations

 

[KY Hiker]

Both?

Whats that?

 

[Ken S.]

Whats that?

Coal mines

 

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to all swift hunters may you all have a very happy - safe -healthy and joyful christmas please do not forget the true meaning rgb1

 

[Rebel - KGC]

And to YOU! SUNNY out! YAY!

 

[KY Hiker]

to all swift hunters may you all have a very happy - safe -healthy and joyful christmas please do not forget the true meaning rgb1

Thanks rgb1, to you as well...be safe and well. Merry Christmas to all of you!

 

[Curtis]

Amen!

 

[Ken S.]

Merry Christmas Everyone !! Remember THE REASON FOR THE SEASON !!!

 

[swiftfan]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

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tried again last night still will not post shortened it to 2 pages from 8 will try it on new thread

 

[franklin]

tried again last night still will not post shortened it to 2 pages from 8 will try it on new thread

Type it out as a document and save it to your computer then you can download it quickly before you are timed out to post.

 

[KY Hiker]

Just re-read this tonight,

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...n-swift/12327-indian-waybill-swift-mines.html

There may be more than one level of deception with Swift...

I am forming a theory related to this and the Prather Book I finished last week. His presumption is Swift bought lands in KY to throw off and deceive would be seekers of the mines to different locations, mainly the British (think spys and loyalists in taverns) during the Rev. war. It would be interesting to know the date of the Indian Waybill through Elliot Co. If anyone knows where to find it or can site a source I would be most appreciative!
So what if Swift knew of the mines in Elliot Co. and those were the 'indian mines' Monde/Munde/Mundy led him to (upper middle or lower?). What if they worked those mines but needed to keep them hush-hush-nudge-nudge...Swift was a merchant at a major port at that time. It would be easy to move and sell the lead as a merchant while minting the silver coin on the side. If one of their crew had a bit too much to drink back in Alexandria and said something they weren't supposed to...what better way to throw off any pursuit of their activity than to purchase large tracts of land with similar features. Those transactions would be recorded and title to land issued...Filson and the land entry may have even played a role in this deception, knowingly or unknowingly.
I find it difficult to believe that the French had mined silver in KY, the Spanish had mined silver in KY, Swift was mining silver in KY, the Indians had mined silver in KY, and all these places were different and the groups of people knew nothing of the other places?

 

[Ken S.]

Just re-read this tonight,

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/l...n-swift/12327-indian-waybill-swift-mines.html

There may be more than one level of deception with Swift...

I am forming a theory related to this and the Prather Book I finished last week. His presumption is Swift bought lands in KY to throw off and deceive would be seekers of the mines to different locations, mainly the British (think spys and loyalists in taverns) during the Rev. war. It would be interesting to know the date of the Indian Waybill through Elliot Co. If anyone knows where to find it or can site a source I would be most appreciative!
So what if Swift knew of the mines in Elliot Co. and those were the 'indian mines' Monde/Munde/Mundy led him to (upper middle or lower?). What if they worked those mines but needed to keep them hush-hush-nudge-nudge...Swift was a merchant at a major port at that time. It would be easy to move and sell the lead as a merchant while minting the silver coin on the side. If one of their crew had a bit too much to drink back in Alexandria and said something they weren't supposed to...what better way to throw off any pursuit of their activity than to purchase large tracts of land with similar features. Those transactions would be recorded and title to land issued...Filson and the land entry may have even played a role in this deception, knowingly or unknowingly.
I find it difficult to believe that the French had mined silver in KY, the Spanish had mined silver in KY, Swift was mining silver in KY, the Indians had mined silver in KY, and all these places were different and the groups of people knew nothing of the other places?

I'm Thinking there is a lot that people don't understand about Ky. This area was all under water at one time and there is deposits of things no one thinks about being here. About 40' below the ridgeline there is a layer about a ft. thick that has round pebbles in it that could only been made By water movement. My theory is these hills/mountain was created by underwater volcanos and tectonic movement while it was under water hence the layering effect on the shale, sandstone, and such. If this be the case any silver deposits would be in those layers rather than a vertical vein like out west from fizzers of volcanoes.

 

[Curtis]

Ken,

The geology teacher (Doctor) at my college says there was a great inland sea where a lot of KY is and that a lot of elements filter out and make deposits ...just like you are saying, then there is/was a lot of volcanic activity, lot of hills in Ky (the almost perfectly round, cone shaped) are often old volcano type sprues. Then there were large meteor impacts that created fractures that could help materials come to the surface. I have found trace amounts of gold in sandstone very near Grayson not commercially feasible to extract but when I gave her samples she knew what it was immediately, form settlements in that sea, and it was about two thirds up a 100 foot hill ! I had found the initial pieces in a creek bed at the foot of the hills. Then let me tell you an interesting one....if you go to the boat landing at the head of Caney creek and face down stream, on the left across the creek is an area that has all kinds of fist size and smaller rocks that don't really belong there. I think they were the result of and eruption explosion or a meteorite impact a long ways off...maybe several hundred miles away. This repeats on the same facing hill sides all over the area.

 

[KY Hiker]

The Carolina Bays are all over the Eastern seaboard from Maryland to Florida, tear shaped craters that are littered all over that side of the Appl. Mts. Probably from a comet breakup while skimming our atmosphere and causing explosions before making impact.

 

[Ken S.]

In the Ky. geology page their desriptions of the geology includes several kind of amphibian creatures. that is how I cam to the conclusion. That and the round pebbles at about 1300 ft. above sea level near the ridge line at my house. What's to say some of the creatures wasn't killed by volcano eruption that made the layers they're in?

 

[Curtis]

I live east of the 'nati and have been near Hillsborough, close to there is the Serpent Mound....which is close on the edge of a crater at least 5 miles across, you can see it from one of the highways, and its not as big as that one in KY. These are huge impacts or airbursts craters. They too can cause some fractures.