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Good morning BB: Can you post a clear picture of the codex showing the Tayopa bells?I am a bit curious.
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Beth,
I have missed your humor and concise questions.
Thank you for the flowers.
They made my day.
The following picture was taken by a friend of mine, Tom Kollenborn. Only flowers from the wilds would be appropriate for you.
Take care,
Joe
I have missed your humor and concise questions.
Thank you for the flowers.
They made my day.The following picture was taken by a friend of mine, Tom Kollenborn. Only flowers from the wilds would be appropriate for you.
Take care,
Joe
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HOLA amigos,
Blindbowman wrote:
Well Blindbowman in private communications with Scott, I have definitely gotten the impression that he has NOTHING against you or your ideas, that he is a fair man and open to new theories. The whole reason for such a stringent set of rules concerning Treasure Trove permits is because we simply can’t have hoards of people wandering all over the place digging huge holes; in the old days it was “dynamite and dreams” and because of this we have quite a number of old shafts and tunnels in the Superstitions, which could actually get someone hurt. The government will grant permits when there is sufficient evidence to substantiate a theory, and provided the person(s) are responsible about it and DON’T leave a huge gaping hole out there for someone to fall in. On the other hand, if the evidence is lacking or weak, the chances are they will not approve such an application.
Actually such a complex site as you have described might be more suitable to an archaeological dig than a treasure trove, though the process is different in applying for that type of “dig” if it really is of such historical significance, perhaps that is the route you should pursue? To get permission for that type of dig you will need at a minimum to get the support of an accredited museum for starters, an archaeologist as a partner would certainly not hurt.
Blindbowman also wrote:
That would make the culture have a 15,000 year history, and as far as I know would be the longest of any culture. I doubt that even China claims to have such a lengthy cultural history. There are cultures which have survived for thousands of years (like the Eskimos mentioned earlier, with a 9000 year span) but 15,000 would seem to be the longest of all.
Blindbowman also wrote:
I think you might have confused Plato’s life span with a range of dates for his birth, he was born 428 B.C. Birthplace: Athens, Greece Died: 347 B.C. According to his own words, he got the information about Atlantis not from Pythagoras but through his relative Dropides, who in turn had been a friend of Solon. You are the first to connect Pythagoras with Plato in connection with Atlantis, as far as I know. Do you know of any ancient text that supports a connection between Pythagoras and Plato? Pythagoras as you probably know died in 475 BC, (by my source, but 500 BC is also possible) some 47 years BEFORE Plato was born. That does not mean that Pythagoras could not have been Plato's source, but it does make it impossible for them to have had any conversations while they were alive. Actually I have to ask this, but if Pythagoras was the source of the history of Atlantis for Plato, why should he have stated that he got the information from Dropides and Solon? (And Solon from Egypt?) This doesn't make much sense to me, but perhaps you can explain Plato's reasoning for falsifying his sources? (Thank you in advance)
Blindbowman also wrote:
Atlantis was in the Superstitions? This would mean that there must also be hot springs and a large fertile plain also, and many other things. How was it connected to the sea? Connecting Atlantis with the Superstitions raises many questions. You know that there are people who will automatically reject and dismiss whatever you say, if you even mention the name Atlantis in connection with your theories. I don’t know amigo, with so many things all rolled into one I am having a difficult time trying to reconcile them with the Superstition Mountains. Are you still absolutely certain that the information you have obtained via spirit walking is NOT symbolic in nature rather than literal? Thank you in advance,
Perhaps a re-cap of the different things associated with Blindbowman's sites would be in order? I have lost track of (exactly) all the statements. I do still have trouble with Chicomoztoc (caves) being also the Lost Dutchman (mine) on a geological basis for example, and have not yet found any solid proof of Templars crossing the Atlantic and reaching Arizona.
Oroblanco
Blindbowman wrote:
Well Blindbowman in private communications with Scott, I have definitely gotten the impression that he has NOTHING against you or your ideas, that he is a fair man and open to new theories. The whole reason for such a stringent set of rules concerning Treasure Trove permits is because we simply can’t have hoards of people wandering all over the place digging huge holes; in the old days it was “dynamite and dreams” and because of this we have quite a number of old shafts and tunnels in the Superstitions, which could actually get someone hurt. The government will grant permits when there is sufficient evidence to substantiate a theory, and provided the person(s) are responsible about it and DON’T leave a huge gaping hole out there for someone to fall in. On the other hand, if the evidence is lacking or weak, the chances are they will not approve such an application.
Actually such a complex site as you have described might be more suitable to an archaeological dig than a treasure trove, though the process is different in applying for that type of “dig” if it really is of such historical significance, perhaps that is the route you should pursue? To get permission for that type of dig you will need at a minimum to get the support of an accredited museum for starters, an archaeologist as a partner would certainly not hurt.
Blindbowman also wrote:
That would make the culture have a 15,000 year history, and as far as I know would be the longest of any culture. I doubt that even China claims to have such a lengthy cultural history. There are cultures which have survived for thousands of years (like the Eskimos mentioned earlier, with a 9000 year span) but 15,000 would seem to be the longest of all.
Blindbowman also wrote:
I think you might have confused Plato’s life span with a range of dates for his birth, he was born 428 B.C. Birthplace: Athens, Greece Died: 347 B.C. According to his own words, he got the information about Atlantis not from Pythagoras but through his relative Dropides, who in turn had been a friend of Solon. You are the first to connect Pythagoras with Plato in connection with Atlantis, as far as I know. Do you know of any ancient text that supports a connection between Pythagoras and Plato? Pythagoras as you probably know died in 475 BC, (by my source, but 500 BC is also possible) some 47 years BEFORE Plato was born. That does not mean that Pythagoras could not have been Plato's source, but it does make it impossible for them to have had any conversations while they were alive. Actually I have to ask this, but if Pythagoras was the source of the history of Atlantis for Plato, why should he have stated that he got the information from Dropides and Solon? (And Solon from Egypt?) This doesn't make much sense to me, but perhaps you can explain Plato's reasoning for falsifying his sources? (Thank you in advance)
Blindbowman also wrote:
Atlantis was in the Superstitions? This would mean that there must also be hot springs and a large fertile plain also, and many other things. How was it connected to the sea? Connecting Atlantis with the Superstitions raises many questions. You know that there are people who will automatically reject and dismiss whatever you say, if you even mention the name Atlantis in connection with your theories. I don’t know amigo, with so many things all rolled into one I am having a difficult time trying to reconcile them with the Superstition Mountains. Are you still absolutely certain that the information you have obtained via spirit walking is NOT symbolic in nature rather than literal? Thank you in advance,
Perhaps a re-cap of the different things associated with Blindbowman's sites would be in order? I have lost track of (exactly) all the statements. I do still have trouble with Chicomoztoc (caves) being also the Lost Dutchman (mine) on a geological basis for example, and have not yet found any solid proof of Templars crossing the Atlantic and reaching Arizona.
Oroblanco
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Roy,
I have not studied the works of Kenyan or Wood, and feel that those two would be required reading for anyone trying to confirm the true age of the first organized village or town/city. I have seen enough to know there is disagreement. right now, the weight of accepted evidence seems to agree with your statement concerning Jericho.
As far as the statement concerning Plutarch goes, you are also correct. However, it seems that he based his opinions on the "Ideal State" which was being postulated by Plato in "Republic" (the Earth-Born) and further advanced with "Timaeus" and "Critias" with the story of the Ideal...Atlantis. The myth of Atlantis was meant to complete the story of the Ideal State from the "Republic", but was not completed by Plato. As an aside, Plutarch also firmly believed in the existence of the magical island of Ogygia and the Isles of the Blest.
"The history of Atlantis was included as a moral lesson, however Plato certainly did not create it. (It is mentioned over 100 years before Plato's time in Herodotus. It is what the Atlantic ocean is named for, after all.)"
I believe the name "Atlantic" is actually based on the translated Greek name for the "Sea of Atlas", and not directly tied to the name, Atlantis. Herodotus did not mention Atlantis by name, but did mention "Mount Atlas". As far as I know, he does not add to the myth of Atlantis in any way. I believe that saying he mentioned Atlantis is not supported by any translation of his work, other than translations based on wishful thinking.
The Egyptians, who were prolific writers of their history, made no mention of Atlantis or any other destruction of an island....by any name. Such a destructive force should have been mentioned in the historical accounts of Sais, but is non-existent.
Athens, which fought against the kings of Atlantis (in the story), creates a problem for authenticity. The first traces of Greek civilization, only go back to around 3,000 B.C. Plato's timeline will not work.
My memory is not so good anymore, so in order to discuss Atlantis with a modicum of intelligence, I have to open a few books. It's a wonderful debate, and well worth the effort......at least for me.
If you would like to continue, and at some point would like to switch sides, I would enjoy taking your side of the debate. I have purposely shortened this post.
Take care,
Joe
I have not studied the works of Kenyan or Wood, and feel that those two would be required reading for anyone trying to confirm the true age of the first organized village or town/city. I have seen enough to know there is disagreement. right now, the weight of accepted evidence seems to agree with your statement concerning Jericho.
As far as the statement concerning Plutarch goes, you are also correct. However, it seems that he based his opinions on the "Ideal State" which was being postulated by Plato in "Republic" (the Earth-Born) and further advanced with "Timaeus" and "Critias" with the story of the Ideal...Atlantis. The myth of Atlantis was meant to complete the story of the Ideal State from the "Republic", but was not completed by Plato. As an aside, Plutarch also firmly believed in the existence of the magical island of Ogygia and the Isles of the Blest.
"The history of Atlantis was included as a moral lesson, however Plato certainly did not create it. (It is mentioned over 100 years before Plato's time in Herodotus. It is what the Atlantic ocean is named for, after all.)"
I believe the name "Atlantic" is actually based on the translated Greek name for the "Sea of Atlas", and not directly tied to the name, Atlantis. Herodotus did not mention Atlantis by name, but did mention "Mount Atlas". As far as I know, he does not add to the myth of Atlantis in any way. I believe that saying he mentioned Atlantis is not supported by any translation of his work, other than translations based on wishful thinking.
The Egyptians, who were prolific writers of their history, made no mention of Atlantis or any other destruction of an island....by any name. Such a destructive force should have been mentioned in the historical accounts of Sais, but is non-existent.
Athens, which fought against the kings of Atlantis (in the story), creates a problem for authenticity. The first traces of Greek civilization, only go back to around 3,000 B.C. Plato's timeline will not work.
My memory is not so good anymore, so in order to discuss Atlantis with a modicum of intelligence, I have to open a few books. It's a wonderful debate, and well worth the effort......at least for me.
If you would like to continue, and at some point would like to switch sides, I would enjoy taking your side of the debate. I have purposely shortened this post.
Take care,
Joe
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Greetings Joe, (and everyone, not intentionally snubbing you good folks, just addressing this reply mainly to our amigo Cactusjumper Joe)
Cactusjumper wrote:
I would add as an aside that Ogygia was not necessarily "magical" in any way but very likely another name for a land that lay west of Europe, as can be shown in several ancient texts including geographical works. (Some have identified Iceland as Ogygia, and others Greenland, for instance.) The name "Isles of the Blest" also were given "magical" attributes by poets, but as a geographic place name for real islands is no great stretch of the imagination any more than the fact that we have a mountain range named the "Heaven" mountains, which are certainly high mountains but no one actually thinks it is the location of a real Heaven. The mountains are very much real however fanciful the name.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I would direct you to the Greek text of a portion of Herodotus' Clio (History, Bk I, 202) where the name Atlantis is spelled out exactly. It is usually translated into English differently, saying "Atlantic" where the original actually says Atlantis. As you are fond of pointing out, history is changed one word at a time. No "wishful thinking" is needed, but we have a prime example of why it is sound policy to always obtain the original version in the original language when possible in researching anything historical, and thus be able to check what the English translators have done.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
Well according to Plutarch and Plato, the Egyptians did have such records in the past, and (allegedly) the philosopher Crantor found the very pillars upon which the story was recorded. You seem to be ignoring all other references to Atlas and the Titans, which are found among many other ancient sources with some pre-dating Plato considerably. One could make the case that those Titans are one and the same with the Tityans mentioned in Phoenician histories, or that the Great Flood of Noah is the same event described by Plato - pointing to such similarities as the ten kings vs ten patriarchs, a record being inscribed on two columns, etc. However among the body of texts existing TODAY, we have no Egyptian records and specifically not golden columns.
A side note (observation) but if the columns were made of actual gold or bronze, it is quite understandable why they should have vanished into legend as they would make tempting targets to be seized and melted down for the boullion content. Egypt has after all been repeatedly conquered by foreign powers, so perhaps this would not surprise anyone?
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I would point out that Plato did explain that Solon had changed the names from the original story, which would likely mean that his use of the name "Athens" was in order to make it readily identify with his Greek readers, the actual name of any culture then (9,500 BC) was almost certainly not Athens, in fact the people were very likely NOT Greek. According to Plato, the remains of such an ancient culture in Athens (or the vicinity) had long been erased by time and the elements. Remember he did not attribute any marble cities or vast temples to his ancient Athenians, from his description their most complex architecture might well have been quite simple wooden structures.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
Well Joe you have certainly given every appearance of discussing the subject with more than a "modicum" of intellect, and I do envy your personal library. (I do wish I could get at my own books too, but with more hard work and a little luck that day is at least on the horizon! I just HOPE to find everything intact, with no mouse-nest or water damage in there.) I too very much enjoy the discussion (even far-fetched ideas) as a pleasant diversion and certainly more entertaining than anything available on broadcast television. *Having a very rainy day here in SD, which is a "day off" completely for me - which explains how I am able to be here blabbing during the middle of the day.*
I would happily continue the debate, and will take the opposing side (it is far easier to argue against it, than defending Atlantis IMHO) to test your mettle on the subject. (Real de Tayopa and anyone else interested is also welcome to assist in defending Plato's island empire story.)
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco
PS EDIT added later, just for clarification, when Herodotus used the name Atlantis specifically, it is in the identification of the Atlantic ocean - In Greek the meaning of the name Atlantis is: Island of Atlas. Hence in his passage mentioning Atlantis, the correct English translation (of his words "Thalassa 'n Atlantis") would be "the sea of the Island of Atlas" - NOT "Atlantic Ocean" which is how most English translations have it, or at least every one I have found thus far. Changing history one word at a time is highly productive for those who practice it, in this particular instance they only needed to swap out ONE LETTER!
Cactusjumper wrote:
I would add as an aside that Ogygia was not necessarily "magical" in any way but very likely another name for a land that lay west of Europe, as can be shown in several ancient texts including geographical works. (Some have identified Iceland as Ogygia, and others Greenland, for instance.) The name "Isles of the Blest" also were given "magical" attributes by poets, but as a geographic place name for real islands is no great stretch of the imagination any more than the fact that we have a mountain range named the "Heaven" mountains, which are certainly high mountains but no one actually thinks it is the location of a real Heaven. The mountains are very much real however fanciful the name.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I would direct you to the Greek text of a portion of Herodotus' Clio (History, Bk I, 202) where the name Atlantis is spelled out exactly. It is usually translated into English differently, saying "Atlantic" where the original actually says Atlantis. As you are fond of pointing out, history is changed one word at a time. No "wishful thinking" is needed, but we have a prime example of why it is sound policy to always obtain the original version in the original language when possible in researching anything historical, and thus be able to check what the English translators have done.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
Well according to Plutarch and Plato, the Egyptians did have such records in the past, and (allegedly) the philosopher Crantor found the very pillars upon which the story was recorded. You seem to be ignoring all other references to Atlas and the Titans, which are found among many other ancient sources with some pre-dating Plato considerably. One could make the case that those Titans are one and the same with the Tityans mentioned in Phoenician histories, or that the Great Flood of Noah is the same event described by Plato - pointing to such similarities as the ten kings vs ten patriarchs, a record being inscribed on two columns, etc. However among the body of texts existing TODAY, we have no Egyptian records and specifically not golden columns.
A side note (observation) but if the columns were made of actual gold or bronze, it is quite understandable why they should have vanished into legend as they would make tempting targets to be seized and melted down for the boullion content. Egypt has after all been repeatedly conquered by foreign powers, so perhaps this would not surprise anyone?
Cactusjumper also wrote:
I would point out that Plato did explain that Solon had changed the names from the original story, which would likely mean that his use of the name "Athens" was in order to make it readily identify with his Greek readers, the actual name of any culture then (9,500 BC) was almost certainly not Athens, in fact the people were very likely NOT Greek. According to Plato, the remains of such an ancient culture in Athens (or the vicinity) had long been erased by time and the elements. Remember he did not attribute any marble cities or vast temples to his ancient Athenians, from his description their most complex architecture might well have been quite simple wooden structures.
Cactusjumper also wrote:
Well Joe you have certainly given every appearance of discussing the subject with more than a "modicum" of intellect, and I do envy your personal library. (I do wish I could get at my own books too, but with more hard work and a little luck that day is at least on the horizon! I just HOPE to find everything intact, with no mouse-nest or water damage in there.) I too very much enjoy the discussion (even far-fetched ideas) as a pleasant diversion and certainly more entertaining than anything available on broadcast television. *Having a very rainy day here in SD, which is a "day off" completely for me - which explains how I am able to be here blabbing during the middle of the day.*
I would happily continue the debate, and will take the opposing side (it is far easier to argue against it, than defending Atlantis IMHO) to test your mettle on the subject. (Real de Tayopa and anyone else interested is also welcome to assist in defending Plato's island empire story.)
your friend,
Roy ~ Oroblanco
PS EDIT added later, just for clarification, when Herodotus used the name Atlantis specifically, it is in the identification of the Atlantic ocean - In Greek the meaning of the name Atlantis is: Island of Atlas. Hence in his passage mentioning Atlantis, the correct English translation (of his words "Thalassa 'n Atlantis") would be "the sea of the Island of Atlas" - NOT "Atlantic Ocean" which is how most English translations have it, or at least every one I have found thus far. Changing history one word at a time is highly productive for those who practice it, in this particular instance they only needed to swap out ONE LETTER!
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OK Joe (and anyone else interested of course) here is my first 'broadside':
Plato says
"The leader was required to furnish for the war the sixth portion of a war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots; also two horses and riders for them, and a pair of chariot-horses without a seat, accompanied by a horseman who could fight on foot carrying a small shield, " <snip> (from Critias)
According to 'the experts' mankind first domesticated the horse about 4500 BC, or about 5000 years later; also there are Greek myths describing "Centaurs" which most historians believe (and many ancient historians) was really a similar confusion arising from people having their first encounter with mounted men, similar to Amerindians encountering mounted Spaniards and thinking them to be one animal. How can this be reconciled?
Secondly the chariot - according to our historians, this weapon first appeared about 3000 BC, or some 6,500 years later than Atlantis. How can this be explained? Or is it something that Plato simply "grafted" into his story for dramatic effect?
Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
Plato says
"The leader was required to furnish for the war the sixth portion of a war-chariot, so as to make up a total of ten thousand chariots; also two horses and riders for them, and a pair of chariot-horses without a seat, accompanied by a horseman who could fight on foot carrying a small shield, " <snip> (from Critias)
According to 'the experts' mankind first domesticated the horse about 4500 BC, or about 5000 years later; also there are Greek myths describing "Centaurs" which most historians believe (and many ancient historians) was really a similar confusion arising from people having their first encounter with mounted men, similar to Amerindians encountering mounted Spaniards and thinking them to be one animal. How can this be reconciled?
Secondly the chariot - according to our historians, this weapon first appeared about 3000 BC, or some 6,500 years later than Atlantis. How can this be explained? Or is it something that Plato simply "grafted" into his story for dramatic effect?
Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
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Oroblanco said:
"Atlantis was in the Superstitions?"
" No , Atlantis is not in the supers ", the chicomoztoc culture mapped the location of Atlantis twice on codex ,once dirrectly and the secound time by mathamatical degree bearings ...
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Quote: "but at 10;30 tonight i will release this discovery "
where will the relesae be?
where will the relesae be?
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i will let it set on my desk for one hour ...LOlPeerless67 said:
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Real de Tayopa said:
you should be ...
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Ok i see your piont , but lets take a look at it from my piont of veiw . when i started research my sighting in1978 i had no idea what so ever how many legends where takeing place with in a few hunderd miles of the supers as well as in the supers them self .. now as far as Atlantis . i never really cared at all about this legend or had any idea what so ever if Atlantis was a legend or fact ...
i had never herd of tayopa or the somberro mine ..or chicomoztoc for that matter i was not looking for any of this legendary sites , in fact i was not even looking for the LDM ...
i find it rather funny that here is a lost culture that not only knows where Atlantis was , but maps its location ,, now at the time i had no idea what they were maping , untill i read plato's discription ,, then i realized he was useing the same math scale , i started to research where he had learn the scale and there is Pythagoras useing the same scale as this culture used .. now one of them learned it from the other and the fact plato knew where Atlantis was ,and Pythagoras built a temple where that set of dirrection starts can not be easyly dismist away ... Pythagoras divids a sphere the same way this culture did .. and this culture is older then Pythagoras.. that tells me with in a reasonable dout Pythagoras learn this math from the native culture ...the totem prove this even if the totem was rewriten from a older sorce the histroy of the site predates Pythagoras by more then 400 years or more ...
IMHO just because Atlas was banded to Atlantis dose not mean he did not trade with the other cultures he knew at the time . or with the new native culture , and this would be in agreement with some other theories that Atlas could have met the Aztec ...
could i be wrong,... no .. why . because the scale and math used is far beyond anything we have ever seen before , far beyond anything Pythagoras ever knew in his life time ...
Pythagoras was the frist to use the prime numbers unless you count the native culture . hey not only used then they used them all the time in diffrent ways .. i am still trying to under stand the math skills of this culture but your talking about culture that span thousands of years and maped almost the whole earth , they knew it was a sphere way before we did ... why else would they have broken the earth into segmentation, i will explan this latter...
the piont is this math came from the native culture ,,,IMHO the addvanced culture was not Atlantis it was who Atlantis was tradeing with . i think Atlantis was learning from the chicomoztoc 's culture .. i beleive in time i can prove this ...with a under standing this culture cover all 3 of the americas , it was vast when compared to any other culture ..i dont think the wars in this tribes took place tell some event like a grea flood destroyed part of the culture it self then war would have broken out between the tribes ..
if this culture was not so skilled to record events in drawing simbolics we would have no record at all ...
Atlantis was a legend till i saw that scale used to locate a given island whereothers stated it would be yet their translation of a higher scale of math was as bad as there reading of the simbolics ....
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HI BB: In answer to my request to post a "clear" picture of the codex with the data on Tayopa, since I was very curious, You posted ------------------>
you should be ...
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I assume by this to mean that you do-not have it.
Don Jose de La Mancha
you should be ...
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I assume by this to mean that you do-not have it.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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HOLA amigos,
Blindbowman wrote:
You have mentioned this before amigo, but have not shown us the map(s) you keep referring to. Or is it not a physical map but some numerical "code" that indicates the location? If that is the case, how can you be sure that it is locating Atlantis, and not something quite different?
Blindbowman also wrote:
So are you saying that this mystery culture (Chicomoztoc) was using the same base-TEN system used by Pythagoras? That would be quite a shock since the Aztecs used a base-TWENTY numerical system instead of our familiar base-ten. Like the Greek system they had no symbol for ZERO but otherwise it is a different system.
Blindbowman also wrote:
From a culture in America? By what means? We know that Pythagoras was educated, oh heck here is what good old un-reliable Wikipedia has to say:
Pythagoras was born on Samos, a Greek island in the eastern Aegean, off the coast of Asia Minor. He was born to Pythais (his mother, a native of Samos) and Mnesarchus (his father, a Phoenician merchant from Tyre). As a young man, he left his native city for Croton, Calabria, in Southern Italy, to escape the tyrannical government of Polycrates. According to Iamblichus, Thales, impressed with his abilities, advised Pythagoras to head to Memphis in Egypt and study with the priests there who were renowned for their wisdom. He was also discipled in the temples of Tyre and Byblos in Phoenicia. It may have been in Egypt where he learned some geometric principles which eventually inspired his formulation of the theorem that is now called by his name.
So how was this knowledge passed to him?
Blindbowman also wrote:
You will not concede that it is possible for you to be mistaken about this? What about keeping an open mind amigo? Have you studied the works of Pythagoras, that it is safe to say that the scale and math are far beyond anything he ever knew in his lifetime? How can we know what his abilities were in mathematics? Most historians consider him to be genius or pretty close to it.
Blindbowman also wrote:
I look forward to your explanation.
Blindbowman also wrote:
Well I have to ask, what you mean by saying that the "culture" covered all 3 of the Americas? Do you mean as in the way modern American culture has covered the Americas? (Which is to say, not literally a conquest, but a spread of the culture itself) Thank you in advance,
Real de Tayopa wrote:
Dang you are a sly, mean cuss aren't you! I do like your style amigo, with a post like that which almost demands to be answered with photographs or admit to not having it. You would have made quite a lawyer buddy, hope I don't have to ever face you in a courtroom! 
Oroblanco
Blindbowman wrote:
You have mentioned this before amigo, but have not shown us the map(s) you keep referring to. Or is it not a physical map but some numerical "code" that indicates the location? If that is the case, how can you be sure that it is locating Atlantis, and not something quite different?
Blindbowman also wrote:
So are you saying that this mystery culture (Chicomoztoc) was using the same base-TEN system used by Pythagoras? That would be quite a shock since the Aztecs used a base-TWENTY numerical system instead of our familiar base-ten. Like the Greek system they had no symbol for ZERO but otherwise it is a different system.
Blindbowman also wrote:
From a culture in America? By what means? We know that Pythagoras was educated, oh heck here is what good old un-reliable Wikipedia has to say:
Pythagoras was born on Samos, a Greek island in the eastern Aegean, off the coast of Asia Minor. He was born to Pythais (his mother, a native of Samos) and Mnesarchus (his father, a Phoenician merchant from Tyre). As a young man, he left his native city for Croton, Calabria, in Southern Italy, to escape the tyrannical government of Polycrates. According to Iamblichus, Thales, impressed with his abilities, advised Pythagoras to head to Memphis in Egypt and study with the priests there who were renowned for their wisdom. He was also discipled in the temples of Tyre and Byblos in Phoenicia. It may have been in Egypt where he learned some geometric principles which eventually inspired his formulation of the theorem that is now called by his name.
So how was this knowledge passed to him?
Blindbowman also wrote:
You will not concede that it is possible for you to be mistaken about this? What about keeping an open mind amigo? Have you studied the works of Pythagoras, that it is safe to say that the scale and math are far beyond anything he ever knew in his lifetime? How can we know what his abilities were in mathematics? Most historians consider him to be genius or pretty close to it.
Blindbowman also wrote:
I look forward to your explanation.
Blindbowman also wrote:
Well I have to ask, what you mean by saying that the "culture" covered all 3 of the Americas? Do you mean as in the way modern American culture has covered the Americas? (Which is to say, not literally a conquest, but a spread of the culture itself) Thank you in advance,
Real de Tayopa wrote:
Dang you are a sly, mean cuss aren't you! I do like your style amigo, with a post like that which almost demands to be answered with photographs or admit to not having it. You would have made quite a lawyer buddy, hope I don't have to ever face you in a courtroom!
Oroblanco
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Oroblanco said:HOLA amigos,
Blindbowman wrote:
You have mentioned this before amigo, but have not shown us the map(s) you keep referring to. Or is it not a physical map but some numerical "code" that indicates the location? If that is the case, how can you be sure that it is locating Atlantis, and not something quite different?
Blindbowman also wrote:
So are you saying that this mystery culture (Chicomoztoc) was using the same base-TEN system used by Pythagoras? That would be quite a shock since the Aztecs used a base-TWENTY numerical system instead of our familiar base-ten. Like the Greek system they had no symbol for ZERO but otherwise it is a different system.
Blindbowman also wrote:
From a culture in America? By what means? We know that Pythagoras was educated, oh heck here is what good old un-reliable Wikipedia has to say:
Pythagoras was born on Samos, a Greek island in the eastern Aegean, off the coast of Asia Minor. He was born to Pythais (his mother, a native of Samos) and Mnesarchus (his father, a Phoenician merchant from Tyre). As a young man, he left his native city for Croton, Calabria, in Southern Italy, to escape the tyrannical government of Polycrates. According to Iamblichus, Thales, impressed with his abilities, advised Pythagoras to head to Memphis in Egypt and study with the priests there who were renowned for their wisdom. He was also discipled in the temples of Tyre and Byblos in Phoenicia. It may have been in Egypt where he learned some geometric principles which eventually inspired his formulation of the theorem that is now called by his name.
So how was this knowledge passed to him?
Blindbowman also wrote:
You will not concede that it is possible for you to be mistaken about this? What about keeping an open mind amigo? Have you studied the works of Pythagoras, that it is safe to say that the scale and math are far beyond anything he ever knew in his lifetime? How can we know what his abilities were in mathematics? Most historians consider him to be genius or pretty close to it.
Blindbowman also wrote:
I look forward to your explanation.
Blindbowman also wrote:
Well I have to ask, what you mean by saying that the "culture" covered all 3 of the Americas? Do you mean as in the way modern American culture has covered the Americas? (Which is to say, not literally a conquest, but a spread of the culture itself) Thank you in advance,
Real de Tayopa wrote:
Dang you are a sly, mean cuss aren't you! I do like your style amigo, with a post like that which almost demands to be answered with photographs or admit to not having it. You would have made quite a lawyer buddy, hope I don't have to ever face you in a courtroom!
Oroblanco
" how can you be sure that it is locating Atlantis" i was nt sure tell i saw what plato had stated about where Atlantis was . there is what is called reverse navigation , thats when you have a set of dirrection and you go from piont A to Piont B and then you reverse the dirrection and play them back wards to get back to piont A in the case of plato's dirrection they were backwards from what i was seeing . i knew right then that plato was giveing dirrection to Atlantis , but he wasnt the one that wrote the dirrections .. he knew the wording but didnt know where piont A was ...,why because the dirrection were backwards to him ...IMHO thats why he stated that Atlantis was beyond the pillars .. he knew that was the only dirrectional bearing given and he did not under stand why . why because if you drew a line stright outward as far as you could ,you would in fact hit Atlantis ..., why because when you draw a line from agrigento sicily threw the strights of Gibraltar it can only be with in 1.5 degrees and when you do that it hits the Atlantis site i showed you before .. but when i read that the atheins had bandish atlas to the edge of the ocean river , i knew right then they were talking about the gulf stream ...and the Atlantis site i showed you was at one time right in the gulf stream , in fact if i was a guessing man . i would say many of the same facters that caused Alantis to sink into the see can now be seen in the Bermuda triangle,, makes you wonder dont it ...?
So are you saying that this mystery culture (Chicomoztoc) was using the same base-TEN system used by Pythagoras? That would be quite a shock since the Aztecs used a base-TWENTY numerical system instead of our familiar base-ten. Like the Greek system they had no symbol for ZERO but otherwise it is a different system.
lol you are selling them short sir ..
look at this ..
1,10, 100 ,1000,
2,20 ,200 ,2000
3,30, 300, 3000
they were counting by tens, twenies and all other numbers useing a type of prime numbers binary we only look for the 10 and 20 scales , they used all the numbers this way ,
"but otherwise it is a different system."
i agree , its almost like night and day .. or should i say lunar and solar the two basic scales of this culture ...Atlantis was a sun scale culture like the Aztec , and you would be correct ...
"So how was this knowledge passed to him?"
i can only make a logical guess it came threw the Phoenicia seeing how they were fishing and tradeing thew many countries and keep very few records .. to think they were one of the only cultures tradeing out into the Atlantic ocean it would make the most logical choice ..
"that it is safe to say that the scale and math are far beyond anything he ever knew in his lifetime? "
yes i can say that ,, its still beyond anything we know ...
"Most historians consider him to be genius or pretty close to it,,"
yes i do agree he was a genius as i under stand the trem ...
the chicomoztoc culture was useing the cycles of the lunar and solar to segment the earth , this was so complex it still so addvanced i still do not fully under stand how far they took this type of scaleing .. if there was ever a addvanced race , this is it ...
i think Pythagoras was trying to figer out their math when he learned about prime numbers ..and then tryed to apply them to spheres the way he had seen or herd of them doing this .. thus giveing Pythagoras a foot hold on a math so addvanced he never fully under stood how addvanced it real was ...
i can dirrectly link this culture to north america ,centeral america ,and south america ,, this was truely a addvanced race . i beleive they had already maped the whole earth or at least knew it was a sphere shape ...
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Hello again,
Blindbowman wrote:
First thank you for explaining and answering my questions. Now when you say that this ancient culture mapped the whole Earth, would you include Antarctica? (Yes I am thinking of the Piri Reis maps, and a couple of others, just looking for clarification here on this point.) Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
Blindbowman wrote:
First thank you for explaining and answering my questions. Now when you say that this ancient culture mapped the whole Earth, would you include Antarctica? (Yes I am thinking of the Piri Reis maps, and a couple of others, just looking for clarification here on this point.) Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco
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see it takes more then just good math skills , you have to under stand how this culture reacted within the world around it , it observed nature at addvanced level .. it used what it learned to protect cycles in nature and in the world around it . yet to them there were to worlds the lunar and the sun . mistical and real world ,and each shared a common baance with the other ...
so you never see both sides . one is always hiden ..or hiden in its inverse oppsitie ...
so you never see both sides . one is always hiden ..or hiden in its inverse oppsitie ...
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