the everything site ...?

[the blindbowman]

his camp and the killings happend at or near the mine it self .. and all 5 of these markers are

So what you're saying is that Waltz killed 5 people near his mine, buried them and then decided to mark their graves in some way? I assume his reason for doing that is due to some sense of remorse after the fact?

That's a tough one to believe.

Incidentally, I believe the 2 soldiers bodies were found long ago - Jim Bark passed along the story of how one boy's body was found on the QCU ranch and was simply buried there by the finders. The other body was found not long after by Bluff Springs.

There is a fairly convincing story of how someone who worked at the Silver King went missing around the same time the 2 soldiers left to go back to the mine - he showed up not long after and was seen gambling with more $ than he had ever been seen with before. The person of interest ended up getting run out of town and stories have him ending up in Alaska where prior to his death he passed along information regarding the mine to another person who went searching for it in coming back to Arizona also.

Lots and lots of stories - find the wheat in the chaff

interesting , i beleive the two stories are two diffrent events ,, the soldiers waltz killed were ealry from fort mcdowell, haveing nothing to do with the event you just stated ..i have read the event your talking about and your details are very close to the known story .and i gree but these two events take place at diffrent times ,the event i am talking about relates to two peice of data . one the waltz acount to dick homles and the other being the death of wiser , in the dick homles acount the death of the soldiers comes before he makes note tht he did not kill his partner ,asumeing he is talking about wiser , this would mean the two soldiers he refers to is not the same as your event , it leds me to beleive the two soldiers he is talking about came some time shortly after he killed the prealta if that was the case .at this piont i have to beleive he did kill the prealta as stated in the acount even if waltz him self dose not make the clam of whom those 3 people were ..based on the mines location and the location of the grave sites ,, i will say these markers are easy to over look unless your right there beside them ...

its funny you said that cub the only grave not marked the same way is the nephew....because the shelveing rock over hang the grave site as in the acount ...thats what tells me i am on the right track ... waltz would have marked the site like the others . yet he gives us a detailed acount of the killing that dose match the nephew site dirrectly . yet remember the acount of the prealta killings .. they tookplace in a give order .. two at the same time and then one a short time after .. yet two of the graves were said to be near the capm site and this is the case of site 4 , finding the other near by some distence from the other two .in this matter i beleive the 3rd was not at the mine it self . he had gone to get supplies and when retruned waltz shot him , in fact he would have came from the same dirrection as the prospector and this would make both their graves closer togather and this is the case ...

i believe and it is my own opioion that waltz killed two prealta and the last prealta was checking up on the missing family members ,bringings supplies to the mine ...

there are a few details that built this under standing of the events .. one is the prealta details of the sombrero mine and the events recorded by the families histroy , another is the acounts of the raids and indain masseacres that took place at the time of the prealta sombrero mines closeing ..

and another was the recorded owner of the lan at the time of these events was related to the prealta families . noteing pedro own the land from 1609 and still was own by pralta in 1848.. noteing i dated the tayopa site from 1535 -1609 but the mine it self would have been worked for a very short time . say between 1595-1606, and then worked by the prealta in 1848 for only about 3 years ...

i think waltz found the sombrero did not know it was the tayopa saw the tayopa chruch but did not put the two togather at the time thus referd to the site as a chruch grant ,not stateding what chruch it was because he really did not note of any chruch that old in the area at the time .. but few would have known that the tayopa was even in that area ...and no one would have told if they did know ...


thus waltz would have found the chruch i did ...and stated it was a chruch grant ,he just couldnt figer out what chruch it was ...look at what i have gone threw to find out what chruch this is and i have a modern computer ...lol

i think this may have been why waltz keep the site so hiden . he was afrade that he would have been hanged for stilling from a chruch.. not fully under standing the related chruch to the mine it self history ...
i have no dout this is where the tayopa and the chruch and the sombrero mines ended up ... these legends got twisted and became confuseing ...

yet there is a simple answer ...

the legends all relate to one site ...

that had 4 diffrent names threw the years that the legends took place ....over a time span from about 1535 - to 1891


so it leds me to beleive the acount your talking about is the two soldiers that find the mine and sell oro and then latter are killed and robed for their money ..and yes the men thaught to have done that was later seen in a bar ...and confronted ...

but as i stated i beleive these are two diffrent sets of soldiers in question ...the ones i am refering to would have taken place in around 1871-1876 with in a year or so ...IMHO

 

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[cactusjumper]

bb,

"but as i stated i beleive these are two diffrent sets of soldiers in question ...the ones i am refering to would have taken place in around 1871-1876 with in a year or so ...IMHO"

Can you tell us your source for this story and the dates?

Thank you,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good morning: A few things bother me. Speaking from my experience with the Indians of Southern Mexico and when I lived with the Yaquis, they throw away a tremendous amount of hard materiel among other things. I cannot understand why, if there were more than a few families, there isn' t more hard evidence found?

To make and use a ball site requires a large no of people, and where is their Archaeological evidence - garbage?

At one site just north of Culiacan, I easily filled a wooden box with perfect axe heads and other tools, it was a virgin site but no-one was interested. It has now been plowed over many times and nothing is visible anymore.

I told an indian living there at that time, that these were tools of our ancestors, he just laughted and said "don't be silly, who would want to use such stupid stuff." I then asked him "who made them then, and why"? He replied "they are the points of the lightning left after striking the ground". hmmmm

I also wonder if there are any actual samples of the Gold from El Sombreo mine and Walz's? If so, they can be postiively identified, proving that they are the same or not once and for all times...

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Gossamer]

ROTFLOL... the overalls inspired me...

I think, all of you should ... (wait for it)...

Create a line of treasure hunting fashion attire. 'Gold Digger Duds'
Anybody? What could we create? A jacket with plenty of pockets for carrying enormous treasure. A custom cover for your metal detector. The overalls, could be the 'Be Lly Show Off.' with your favorite slogan just below where the cut off stops.

A line of cut off jeans to show off the best of knee's and on the rear end, studs with your favorite slogan, like 'Devil's Tower... All You Could Expect.," or "I Do To Know Where I'm Going!".

Custom knee-pads with rhinestones (If any of these show up I have first dibs)
Of course a line of hats with little picks and shovels, perhaps a few fool's gold nuggets for dazzle and show.

Here are my suggestions for t-shirts , 'How to go from Hero to Fool in 12 seconds?' 'Prospector Parade?' 'Belly Bluejeans', 'Hang Out Digger Denims'...
'Dude or 'Dudette Rock Fashion' or 'All I Got Was a T-Shirt, Does Anyone Have Another Map?' Or more technical... 'I Sweer Ossifer... I din't know it was gover'ment land.' Another good t-shirt, 'I Know Where The Lost Dutchman Mine Is' on the back... "Its In Arizona."

Citizens will be flocking to you (well then.. past you, but think of the prestige. That one I'm going get printed up this week.

Another one to make you popular... 'The Devil is... (on the back) Hording the Gold', or 'TNet Members Do It Better', (on the back) 'They Don't Even Need a Map' or 'Map Shmap, I Got Yer' Map Right Here' (subject to interpretation), or "If Lost Please Return Me To My Goldmine'.

Another... "Beale Did Know What He Was Doing' (on the back...) "But Only Beale Knew It.' (ok. that one was just so... so}

Hey, we could have a fashion show at the get together at Apache Junction in Oct.
Janiece

 

[Oroblanco]

HOLA mi amigo Blindbowman (and everyone),

You have covered a lot of ground and interesting points, so this will be a pretty long post; I beg your indulgence.

Blindbowman wrote:

i would rather not , all the graves were marked in one common related way , the only two i have not found are the two solders .. <snip>

The two soldiers? Blindbowman I have to ask this, are you aware that the story of the two soldiers and their gold mine is almost undeniably a transplant? The story of the two soldiers really takes place in a different mountain range, with the men starting off from Fort McDowell and trekking up in the Four Peaks region. Their remains were found by Pima Indians. A couple of treasure writers are to blame for this story getting transplanted, apparently to “spice up” the legends of the Superstition mountains. I know Sims Ely claimed to have found their graves in the Superstitions (actually on the south side) but there is no reason to believe that the graves he found were those of soldiers, or for that matter we don’t even know that they are human graves.

Perhaps you could tell by psychic methods that the graves you discovered were in fact those of soldiers, and it is possible that there are two stories of a pair of soldiers out prospecting who find a rich gold mine, just that it very much looks (to me at least) that an imaginative treasure writer decided to “transplant” a little-known lost gold mine story that was actually located some distance to the northeast, and “blend” it in with the story of the Lost Dutchman.

I am still curious why you say that Jacob Waltz was highgrading the Sombrero mine? I do not know of any existing ore sample from the Sombrero mine, nor any attestation from a reliable source as to what the ore looked like – so how could we be sure that Waltz’s ore, which the experts have said is unique and unlike the ore of any other known source, came from the Sombrero mine? I would certainly hesitate before making that connection, certainly not on the basis of what is known and provable at the moment.

Blindbowman also wrote:

and yes i have found 5 markings all the same not related to the lay out of the land ...

Are you saying that you found five GRAVE markings or markers? This would not make much sense, for a serial killer, cold-blooded murderer, to be marking the graves of his victims, would it?


Blindbowman also wrote:

i must aso make it clear that if i am right and this is chicomoztoc the US goverment has no legal clam to this site and this would be grounds for a legal clam of this site for the american indain tribes as well as mexican tribes .. all tribes came from this site ...it is a matter of historical record . no matter if the location had been lost or not ...

Hmm this sort of legal claim argument is one for the courts to decide; I still have trouble in seeing how Chicomoztoc should be also a silver and a gold mine, when there is no such mention in the Aztec codices of any gold or silver mines. Gold is not generally found in natural caves amigo, just a geological quirk/fact but the type of stone that tends to develop caves (usually limestone) is not a host for the quartz that carries gold and silver (and copper, lead, tin etc). Are you saying that the caves of Chicomoztoc are not caves but mine tunnels? Please clarify this for me amigo?

Blindbowman also wrote:

and another was the recorded owner of the lan at the time of these events was related to the prealta families . noteing pedro own the land from 1609 and still was own by pralta in 1848

May I ask where there is any record of any Peralta or any other Spanish or Mexican ever having any legal title to the lands of the Superstition Mountains? I never found any type of records of any Mexican or Spanish ownership of any land in those mountains.

Blindbowman also wrote:

thus waltz would have found the chruch i did

What? Waltz found the church you did? Is there some evidence or document that mentions this? I have never seen this mentioned.

I hope that my questions do not irritate you amigo, just that you have covered a lot of interesting points that raised my curiosity. Besides, whether we agree on theories or disagree has no bearing on friendship, heck I doubt we would agree on politics either! I am not trying to poke holes in your theory – just want to understand the whole theory. Thank you in advance,
Your friend,
Oroblanco

 

[the blindbowman]

HOLA mi amigo Blindbowman (and everyone),

You have covered a lot of ground and interesting points, so this will be a pretty long post; I beg your indulgence.

Blindbowman wrote:

i would rather not , all the graves were marked in one common related way , the only two i have not found are the two solders .. <snip>

The two soldiers? Blindbowman I have to ask this, are you aware that the story of the two soldiers and their gold mine is almost undeniably a transplant? The story of the two soldiers really takes place in a different mountain range, with the men starting off from Fort McDowell and trekking up in the Four Peaks region. Their remains were found by Pima Indians. A couple of treasure writers are to blame for this story getting transplanted, apparently to “spice up” the legends of the Superstition mountains. I know Sims Ely claimed to have found their graves in the Superstitions (actually on the south side) but there is no reason to believe that the graves he found were those of soldiers, or for that matter we don’t even know that they are human graves.

Perhaps you could tell by psychic methods that the graves you discovered were in fact those of soldiers, and it is possible that there are two stories of a pair of soldiers out prospecting who find a rich gold mine, just that it very much looks (to me at least) that an imaginative treasure writer decided to “transplant” a little-known lost gold mine story that was actually located some distance to the northeast, and “blend” it in with the story of the Lost Dutchman.

I am still curious why you say that Jacob Waltz was highgrading the Sombrero mine? I do not know of any existing ore sample from the Sombrero mine, nor any attestation from a reliable source as to what the ore looked like – so how could we be sure that Waltz’s ore, which the experts have said is unique and unlike the ore of any other known source, came from the Sombrero mine? I would certainly hesitate before making that connection, certainly not on the basis of what is known and provable at the moment.

Blindbowman also wrote:

and yes i have found 5 markings all the same not related to the lay out of the land ...

Are you saying that you found five GRAVE markings or markers? This would not make much sense, for a serial killer, cold-blooded murderer, to be marking the graves of his victims, would it?


Blindbowman also wrote:

i must aso make it clear that if i am right and this is chicomoztoc the US goverment has no legal clam to this site and this would be grounds for a legal clam of this site for the american indain tribes as well as mexican tribes .. all tribes came from this site ...it is a matter of historical record . no matter if the location had been lost or not ...

Hmm this sort of legal claim argument is one for the courts to decide; I still have trouble in seeing how Chicomoztoc should be also a silver and a gold mine, when there is no such mention in the Aztec codices of any gold or silver mines. Gold is not generally found in natural caves amigo, just a geological quirk/fact but the type of stone that tends to develop caves (usually limestone) is not a host for the quartz that carries gold and silver (and copper, lead, tin etc). Are you saying that the caves of Chicomoztoc are not caves but mine tunnels? Please clarify this for me amigo?

Blindbowman also wrote:

and another was the recorded owner of the lan at the time of these events was related to the prealta families . noteing pedro own the land from 1609 and still was own by pralta in 1848

May I ask where there is any record of any Peralta or any other Spanish or Mexican ever having any legal title to the lands of the Superstition Mountains? I never found any type of records of any Mexican or Spanish ownership of any land in those mountains.

Blindbowman also wrote:

thus waltz would have found the chruch i did

What? Waltz found the church you did? Is there some evidence or document that mentions this? I have never seen this mentioned.

I hope that my questions do not irritate you amigo, just that you have covered a lot of interesting points that raised my curiosity. Besides, whether we agree on theories or disagree has no bearing on friendship, heck I doubt we would agree on politics either! I am not trying to poke holes in your theory – just want to understand the whole theory. Thank you in advance,
Your friend,
Oroblanco

oro stated
"are you aware that the story of the two soldiers and their gold mine is almost undeniably a transplant? The story of the two soldiers really takes place in a different mountain range, with the men starting off from Fort McDowell and trekking up in the Four Peaks region. Their remains were found by Pima Indians."

yes, i am . in fact there are a few acounts of that same story .there is the short version that cub stated and the longer more well defind version you talking about ... note your defines the starting piont and states they two soldiers did in fact go to the four peaks area ..i beleive this version to be true but i question if the details have change over time or multi passing of the stories from one preson to the next ..

i even question if there is 3 sets of soldier in question ..


but for most i do not beleive those soldiers to be the ones waltz was talking about ..for one reason their story never left the mts other then waltz's acount ...if we beleive waltz is the killer , then if we find evidence of the other killings then most likely the bodies of the two soldiers he was talking about are near or at site 4 somewhere .. i have not looked for them ,but i do beleive they could be in the area of the other graves ..

Oro stated :

"I am still curious why you say that Jacob Waltz was highgrading the Sombrero mine? I do not know of any existing ore sample from the Sombrero mine, nor any attestation from a reliable source as to what the ore looked like – so how could we be sure that Waltz’s ore, which the experts have said is unique and unlike the ore of any other known source, came from the Sombrero mine? I would certainly hesitate before making that connection, certainly not on the basis of what is known and provable at the moment.

this is a touchy detail ....i will not explan why . but i can say this with no douts what so ever , i can postively prove the location of the Sombrero mine . and i can show a translation that waltz gave that dose in fact translate dirrectly to this site .. we dont under stand his translation because we belive it means something totally diffrent but whentranslated correctly he dose in fact discribe this site in full detail ..waltz leds us to beleive his mine is in one area yet he has hidden details that out right piont dirrectly at site 4 ...


it is a matter of haveing two translations from two diffrent sorces yet they both discribe one site from two diffrent piont of veiws .. this takes a lot of skill and time to define the site .. but it is posable ...

i did not know the two sites were in reality one , but the details of a few acounts do relate this when translated correctly ..

i explaned the details of the shaft and how waltz's discribtion could fit the sombrero mine and vise varesa... yet its the details found at the site that comferm it ...


let me also state on fact , waltz says . the mine was a chruch grant. the prealta also say this .and i only found one chruch out there near this mine .. i beleive this is why waltz was with holding the location .. beleive others may have seen it as robing a chruch ,, this could get a preson hanged ..


i walked with in 10ft of the markers and only saw 2 of them aup close .. so there is more work to be done ...


Oro say :

"Are you saying that you found five GRAVE markings or markers? This would not make much sense, for a serial killer, cold-blooded murderer, to be marking the graves of his victims, would it?

in fact it dose make sence .. i beleive the last time waltz went to the mine was when he made the markers ...and as i stated you can be within ft of them and not see them clearly ,, i think from my own prospective . that waltz was stricken with quilt after the nephew killing .. the out come of the killings that came after only added to the saddness of a man that had to hold these events in side him self ... i think the markers had two reasons for being there .. one was a clear cut way to define the site it self and the other was because of waltzs repenting of the killings . his quilt must have been over welming , i think he left the mine knowing he most likely would not retrun again ...waltz had held these killings in and told no one for as many as 6-8 years , thats a long time to hold quilt in side your self ...we can see this by his unwellingness to tell julia and his death bed acount to dick holmes ...


Oro stated :

" I still have trouble in seeing how Chicomoztoc should be also a silver and a gold mine, when there is no such mention in the Aztec codices of any gold or silver mines. Gold is not generally found in natural caves amigo, just a geological quirk/fact but the type of stone that tends to develop caves (usually limestone) is not a host for the quartz that carries gold and silver (and copper, lead, tin etc). Are you saying that the caves of Chicomoztoc are not caves but mine tunnels? Please clarify this for me amigo?"


i agree fully with your over sight , and i also share this opioion in open . but the fact remains this is not a normal deposite .. IMHO it is a set of small volcanic dikes . yet the lava flow was not normal because it happend under water and under pressure much like a black smoker volcanic vent ..

i beleive this is how the black spots were created ..


i agree and started looking for more of these sites . after researching beyond 15 miles with out finding another site like this .. i realized this is a very rare site and not a common act of nature at all for this area ...

this was confermed by the research to the east ,where they over saw the area as part of their study and define the volcanis action of the area ...

Oro says :
"Are you saying that the caves of Chicomoztoc are not caves but mine tunnels? Please clarify this for me amigo?"

in a round about way yes ..

the catcoms were made by the chichimeca if i am right and they were trying to live threw the great flood , they dug caves and tunnles not for mineing , yet most likely they did hit deposties and we know what happend to one of these deposties .....


i will say that i beleive the sorce of the sombrero mine is about 25 times bigger then we beleive it is and could be even bigger then that ..if i am right the mine would have been the richest ever located any where on earth ...tayopa ,sombrero ,LDM all in one now times that by 25 ...


Oro say: ..

"May I ask where there is any record of any Peralta or any other Spanish or Mexican ever having any legal title to the lands of the Superstition Mountains? I never found any type of records of any Mexican or Spanish ownership of any land in those mountains

i found the acount of the prealta famlies owning the part of the rancho .. pedro prealt stated he own the land from 1609-1848 .. if you can find a sorce that conferms this i would be happy to see that ..

the book the killer mts stated " waltz had referd to the mine as a chruch grant "

i beleive that was because he found the same chruch i did ...

 

[cactusjumper]

A good friend of Barry Storm, wrote that Storm had made up the entire 2-Soldier's story. He had pieced it together from other treasure stories and the known history of the Silver King Mine.

If that is true, it follows that two of the accounts in the Bark Notes are also false.

Our resident Shaman needs to recharge his power supply.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

What.....No one wants to challange that statement?

Joe Ribaudo

 

[the blindbowman]

What.....No one wants to challange that statement?

Joe Ribaudo

why would make any diffrence to my research , i out right stated waltz is talking about two unknow soldiers , they would have nothing to do with Barry Storm's wild pages ...lol and i dont dout that is true of a lot of data related to the LDM , many other legends for that matter ...

i for one am glad you posted that statement ..IMHO there is only about 4 acounts that have any real merit in the over all legend to start with and merit dose not mean they are facts...

 

[Cubfan64]

What.....No one wants to challange that statement?

Joe Ribaudo

why would make any diffrence to my research , i out right stated waltz is talking about two unknow soldiers , they would have nothing to do with Barry Storm's wild pages ...lol and i dont dout that is true of a lot of data related to the LDM , many other legends for that matter ...

i for one am glad you posted that statement ..IMHO there is only about 4 acounts that have any real merit in the over all legend to start with and merit dose not mean they are facts...

BB - what are your feelings in regards to the Bark Notes? If one assumes that original facts begin to get distorted at a rapid rate as soon as they become passed down from the original to secondhand, etc..., it seems as though the Bark Notes should hold a fairly high degree of significance since he reportedly knew Waltz and spent time going over details with Julia, Rheiney and Hermann. Just curious if you give his notes any credence or not?

 

[Oroblanco]

Muchas gracias mi amigo Blindbowman for clearing up those points or issues. I don't mean to get so focused on the two soldiers story but it was one that confused me years ago and if there really are two soldiers' graves in the Superstitions, the relatives/descendants of those soldiers would probably appreciate if their graves could be found. I think Sims Ely mentioned finding the man with the club foot who was supposedly the killer of the two soldiers (rather than Waltz) living in Alaska, but then nothing is ever too clear when it comes to the Superstition Mountains is it?

Cactusjumper I would not challenge that statement either - even though there is a lost gold mine known as the 'Two Soldiers Mine' somewhere in the Mazatzal mountains, there are some striking differences such as the men were found un-buried (skeletal) by Pimas, were killed by Apaches (or other hostiles) and no involvement of a murderer with a club foot nor a crazed killer Dutchman. I did find a version of the account in a published book in the library in Pearce, but cannot recall the title & author - but it had a fair 19th century photograph of the two skeletal remains of the soldiers. Mrs Oro and I even went out searching for that Two Soldiers mine back in March of '89 and it is beautiful wild country, even has a little gold but unfortunately we failed to find that mine. As far as I know, the story is not widely publicized but Barry Storm might well have heard it if he hit the saloons and cafes, it might have inspired him to blend the story in to the Superstition legends.
Oroblanco

 

[the blindbowman]

What.....No one wants to challange that statement?

Joe Ribaudo

why would make any diffrence to my research , i out right stated waltz is talking about two unknow soldiers , they would have nothing to do with Barry Storm's wild pages ...lol and i dont dout that is true of a lot of data related to the LDM , many other legends for that matter ...

i for one am glad you posted that statement ..IMHO there is only about 4 acounts that have any real merit in the over all legend to start with and merit dose not mean they are facts...

BB - what are your feelings in regards to the Bark Notes? If one assumes that original facts begin to get distorted at a rapid rate as soon as they become passed down from the original to secondhand, etc..., it seems as though the Bark Notes should hold a fairly high degree of significance since he reportedly knew Waltz and spent time going over details with Julia, Rheiney and Hermann. Just curious if you give his notes any credence or not?



knowing waltz and know of waltz are two diffrent things ...i dont dout barks notes were written by Bark..but if bark spent time going over details with Julia, Rheiney and Hermann...whats that tell you ...? did any of them ever find anything that was publicly disclosed ..NO as far as i know ...


in fact take a good look

she never found anything broke and degraded

he knew details and did not have the wisdom to under stand it ...weak minded ..

close enough to the legend to be driven in the search . but secound hand data and confussion tell his death ...

i have been working back wards from the mines location and seeing just what clues were real and what was not ..



one that makes me think is worst ...clay was on the same level as Hermann and jim hatt for that matter

you want to take a look at ron feldman , now he stood by him self right or wrong ... saddly wrong about the spring . but he stood with his opioions be they correct or not ...


add ons are not a good way to solve a legend

define clues that take place at the sence

define acounts of the event

define acounts told by the people at the event

define acounts by them or their off spring as secound hand acounts..

map all navigable detail ...

 

[the blindbowman]

a side note ,

my brothers health is far worse then he knew , he will be moveing south to be near his daughter and a good heart speacalist .. he will not be able to make another expedition ...

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI BB, fingers crossed.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Gossamer]

BB, I'm very sorry about your brother. He is included in my prayers! His new cardio Dr. should put him on the right path for health.
Janiece

 

[Oroblanco]

I just want to 'ditto' the remarks of my friend Gossamer, and say think positively - it really does help.
Oroblanco

 

[the blindbowman]

its a price we pay to be doers and not just setting in some arm chair ...


he thank me for takeing on the expedition with me , he said at lest he got to go one the expedition and he knows it was one of the best expedition he has ever been on ..and best of all it was free ..


he said if it had one last expedition ,,,that was it ....

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI BB, I agree with him, and think that I would like him personally. Tell him HI.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Old Dog]

Gossamer,

I told you a ways back that you would hear from me...

To all peeps on this thread...
Be it known that Our favorite lady Gossamer turns a year older today 7/17.

Just thought I would share that so you guys could throw amenities around for a minute or two.
Happy Birthday Lady,
I hope it brings you love and a whole world of treasure.
Have a great day.

your friend
Thom

 

[Gossamer]

THANK YOU THOM, I thought I might pass on this one, LOL. I appreciate your acknowledgement. (I think).
I will be enjoying laundry for the day... tehe
Hope all is well in this treasure world.
Janiece