More IPUK,,. Incidentally, I'll have your answer in a few days --patience.
Probably females, the Apache were touchy about that, no females meant the men had to work
Plenty of blame to go around, but the side who managed to be more brutal than the other, usually came out the victor. Pretty much how things work out with the "Ultimate Fighter" contests.
All of the elders just nodded their heads. That's how things worked in the real world.
very true joe...thats the way its been for the last few thousand years...the strong conquer the weak and relieve them of their possessions ...when the apaches got here they stomped a weaker tribe and took their land..same with the Navajo ....it's called progress....at least whitey gave their land back to them...indians own about 1/3 of arizona....5% of the population in arizona is indian....there is about 5.6 million people in arizona...so we have just under 300,000 indians....i would say giving them 1/3 of our state is way more than fair...if anything we got shortedWithout a doubt, their were atrocities on both sides. To try and decide which side acted first, is next to impossible. In those days, you got your point across with brutality. Since neither side really understood the others lifestyle or reasoning, talk was next to useless.
If you are looking to assess blame to the whites, you will find plenty of cases to back up your argument. On the other hand, if you are looking to assess blame to the Native Americans, you will also find plenty of cases to back up that position. Personally, I come down on the white boy's side.....being white. On the other hand, I can appreciate the Indian's side of the debate.
I was working on a power plant outside of Farmington, NM and large group of us were sitting around having our lunch. Five or six Navajo elders were sitting against a wall. A young man came up, for some reason, and asked me...."White man, when are you going to give us back our land?" I replied: "Well, we kicked your ass and took the land. When you folks get around to kicking our ass, you can get it back".
Good luck,
Joe Ribaudo
I don't hate anybody! Of course being a lowly halfbreed maybe I missed that lesson (eye roll). It's my experience if we show up on a reservation & are quiet & polite but friendly we're treated accordingly... the other half of this "we" is my white-skinned, blonde wife. Most Indians are friendly & helpful if you're respectful to them. OTOH if you show up acting like a stuck-up, haughty, arrogant, Whitey it ain't gonna be pretty! Some people need to stay in the cities where the gangs are apparently nicer to you...
very specifically did not mention Guadacanal where i had my indoctrination of the Japanese in 42, to mentioning only Korea. I had a silent laugh on that, but as a matter of fact I liked the Japanese. Course it would be another thing for an apache nah, actually it wouldn't, I would be thinking if he (she) accepted 'me' The Yaqui did.
At least the Apache didn't eat thier victims after they had parbroiled them. Or did they
Course it would be another thing for an apache
Incidentally Injunbro they were never defeated by the army in battle, but by education.
If you're referring to the Yaqui as the ones who "were never defeated by the army in battle" you need to research 'The Battle @ Bear Valley'. On 1/19/18 bunch of Yaquis were smuggling guns & ammo into Mexico for one of the countless revolutions & the 10th Cavalry (Buffalo Soldiers) caught them in the act. The Yaquis had Winchester .30-30's & Mauser rifles & tried an ambush. The cavalry spent about 30 minutes kicking their collective butts. The Yaquis later said they thought the soldiers were Mexican & would run if fired on but when they found out they were Americans w/ Apache Scouts quickly gave it up. The only reason it's even noted as a "battle" instead of a skirmish is it was the last time the US Army fought Indians in the US.
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