Templar Vault Chamber located in New Ross, Nova Scotia

[lokiblossom]

Apparently she did not. I understand that we've been avoiding this topic for weeks now, but I'm still willing to discuss it.

I understood you had wanted to discuss Norse fortifications. I don't know that I ever mentioned Norse fortifications. What I had mentioned was a Templar fortress, but not a very large Templar fortress, as I have only premised a small group of Templars (mostly of the inner circle) ever landing in Nova Scotia. I don't buy Henry Sinclair btw, but I don't completely rule him out. Joan did not find a large fortress but she also did not find a blacksmith shop.
I have always premised a Templar presence at New Ross (Charing Cross) with a couple of religious artifacts and for you treasure hunters, upwards of 160,000 florins of pure gold. But that this treasure was removed to a new location sometime in the early 16th century across the Province. I do believe that FinderKeepers will find some evidence of my premises. None of these so called treasures were ever hid in a place where they would never be discovered, ie. in a hole some 180 feet deep. But they are meant to be discovered when the time is right IMHO. Luv you guys, great discussion.
Cheers, Loki

 

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[FinderKeeper]

OK, Lets talk about the fortress and see were this goes . Do I think there is a Castle at the New Ross site , YES . Do I think it was built by the Templars, YES . So fire away with questions.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Where is everyone its been 24 hrs since I posted and no reply's yet., Is everyone doing their home work on fortress and castles so they can kick my xxx. Dave where are you, I can't believe I am saying this .

 

[Raparee]

OK, Lets talk about the fortress and see were this goes . Do I think there is a Castle at the New Ross site , YES . Do I think it was built by the Templars, YES . So fire away with questions.

Okay. What concrete evidence do you have that there is a castle at New Ross that was built by Templars?

 

[NostraDanis]

Okay. What concrete evidence do you have that there is a castle at New Ross that was built by Templars?

I'm no expert, but I don't think they used concrete back then; so there's probably not any concrete evidence.

On a slightly more serious note, if there were concrete evidence at this point then there wouldn't be any doubt, would there? My point is that if there were already clear, convincing evidence, then this site would be quite famous, no?

So, FK is in position to find out, one way or the other; which I think is very exciting.

 

[FinderKeeper]

WE have located so many hand cut stones at this site. Some made crude for tunnels to hold up the celling (wedge shape or keystone). Then we have great stones cut with the best tools or craftsmanship. I don't think Norse or Vikings could do this kind of work, Some of the stones are big boulders with 90 degree cuts in them. It looks like large timber was cut and put into the 90 degree cuts to hold up something. These cuts are 100% clean cuts, someone took their time and did them right. The Hope Stone ( key stone ) is one of some that is 100 % worked by someone that knew how to work with stone. WE have a 6' long stone that is rub smooth on both sides . It could of been used as a table. This took a great amount of work. Who builds a 1000' tunnel lined with stones with a arch celling then digs many trenches to bring water under ground to this spot from up hill. If you saw what we saw I am sure you all would agree that this site is 100 % a castle. Now who built it I don't know yet but who could do this kind of work. The Templars did build on high ground and this site is on the 2nd highest mountain in NS. Then we have the Holy Well that is built 12' wide with 4' walls and could go down 90'. Who does this kind of work back then , but when is then 1360's 1500's or 1750's . I can only tell you what I know to be true but who and when is still anyone's guess . We will look for artifacts in the tunnels and voids to answer this question.

 

[lokiblossom]

OK, Lets talk about the fortress and see were this goes . Do I think there is a Castle at the New Ross site , YES . Do I think it was built by the Templars, YES . So fire away with questions.

Yes, I do believe there was something built at "Charing Cross", and by the Templars, but in 1308. In my opinion it was more of a small fortress than a castle. I think the Templars stepped out of the castle building business when they left Europe, and I also premise a small number of men. But the site was painstakingly demolished and not simply abandoned for some reason. If you do find any artifacts, it will be because somebody accidentally left them, again, in my opinion. Although you may find a clue similar to the ones left throughout Europe as to the location now of these same artifacts. And again for the treasure hunters, there are a missing documented 160,000 gold florins.
Cheers, Loki

btw, it wasn't me who wanted to discuss Norse fortifications.

 

[bjcvieira]

Hello,

It is certainly not the Templar treasure, the Templar treasure was taken to Portugal after the France incidents , in fact there were two treasures one was constituted by the goods of the Templars , the other were the goods from third parties (templar bank clients)..

The first treasure was spent in the Portuguese epic maritimal discovers and was composed of goods and navigation knowledge ( books and maps ) brought from Solomon's temple , the second was returned little by little to their legitimate OWNERS by the Portuguese Templars .

I know it's boring but there is no treasure Templar now , what exists is scattered around the world in private collectors .

 

[bjcvieira]

This doesn't mean that it could not exist some small treasures from small templar groups that escape from France and were unable to join the main templar escape from la rochelle.

 

[lokiblossom]

Hello,

It is certainly not the Templar treasure, the Templar treasure was taken to Portugal after the France incidents , in fact there were two treasures one was constituted by the goods of the Templars , the other were the goods from third parties (templar bank clients)..

The first treasure was spent in the Portuguese epic maritimal discovers and was composed of goods and navigation knowledge ( books and maps ) brought from Solomon's temple , the second was returned little by little to their legitimate OWNERS by the Portuguese Templars .

I know it's boring but there is no treasure Templar now , what exists is scattered around the world in private collectors .

A few of the Templar ships did go to Portugal, but certainly not all of them. The 160,000 gold florins never appeared anywhere yet, and the treasures taken from Templar headquarters in Paris were never found. Neither were any of the artifacts recovered from the Temple during the early sojourn of the first nine members of the Order. Any navigation knowledge they acquired did not come from Solomon or his ancient Temple, but from interaction with their enemies in Palestine. There were at least 2500 Templars unaccounted for from France alone and the Master of France Gerard de Villers also disappeared.
If you know of actual evidence of any their treasures in Portugal please post it.
Cheers, Loki

 

[FinderKeeper]

Hi Lokiblossom, Ya I know it was Dave who wanted to talk about Fortress and he will wait until I post something so he can chew it up. You talk about 160,000 gold florins and I have info on something close to what you keep saying. Only a few know about it so can I ask you more questions privet about this. Again I do not know if there is any treasure left at this site, if I did I would be on site digging. We are a small mining company in New Ross looking for gold , silver. etc. For 50 yrs the Government says there is no treasure , castle or historical artifacts at this location so we are allowed to dig and drill. We use the treasure hunting equipment to locate metals to dig up. We have a lot of gold readings in New Ross but the Magnetite Stones read as gold and a magnet will stick to the stones. On Oak Island they have the same stones and they found out the hard way when the gold disappeared and all they had was stones. We located the tunnels while we looked for gold and silver. Then when we dig we find hand cut stones. There was a Gold room or metal work shop in Joans back yard and we know nothing about it. Did they mine under New Ross and is the tunnels we located from mining. I don't see anyone mining in solid clay 120' deep. So anything is possible at this site

 

[Raparee]

WE have located so many hand cut stones at this site. Some made crude for tunnels to hold up the celling (wedge shape or keystone). Then we have great stones cut with the best tools or craftsmanship. I don't think Norse or Vikings could do this kind of work, Some of the stones are big boulders with 90 degree cuts in them. It looks like large timber was cut and put into the 90 degree cuts to hold up something. These cuts are 100% clean cuts, someone took their time and did them right. The Hope Stone ( key stone ) is one of some that is 100 % worked by someone that knew how to work with stone. WE have a 6' long stone that is rub smooth on both sides . It could of been used as a table. This took a great amount of work. Who builds a 1000' tunnel lined with stones with a arch celling then digs many trenches to bring water under ground to this spot from up hill. If you saw what we saw I am sure you all would agree that this site is 100 % a castle. Now who built it I don't know yet but who could do this kind of work. The Templars did build on high ground and this site is on the 2nd highest mountain in NS. Then we have the Holy Well that is built 12' wide with 4' walls and could go down 90'. Who does this kind of work back then , but when is then 1360's 1500's or 1750's . I can only tell you what I know to be true but who and when is still anyone's guess . We will look for artifacts in the tunnels and voids to answer this question.

Why the Templars? Why not a 18th - 19th century farmer setting the foundations for his barn? If a bunch of European knights landed in NS during the 1300's and built a castle or fortress at New Ross, why is there no mention of it in the First Nation oral histories? How could they survive in this new and harsh environment without support from the locals? Given the workforce required to build such a structure, what did they eat? Where were their fields? What did noble-born European knights know about the wildlife of north eastern North America? What did they know about hunting these animals? With all the people that would be required to build this alleged structure, tend the fields and hunt for meat ... and there are no artifacts left behind?
I'm not trying to be a prick, but there are some pretty elemental questions that haven't been answered.

 

[lokiblossom]

Why the Templars? Why not a 18th - 19th century farmer setting the foundations for his barn? If a bunch of European knights landed in NS during the 1300's and built a castle or fortress at New Ross, why is there no mention of it in the First Nation oral histories? How could they survive in this new and harsh environment without support from the locals? Given the workforce required to build such a structure, what did they eat? Where were their fields? What did noble-born European knights know about the wildlife of north eastern North America? What did they know about hunting these animals? With all the people that would be required to build this alleged structure, tend the fields and hunt for meat ... and there are no artifacts left behind?
I'm not trying to be a prick, but there are some pretty elemental questions that haven't been answered.

You have read about the Vikings at L'Anse aux meadows didn't you? I have not heard about anything in the First Nation oral histories of them. Did they survive? Did they eat? Did they have support from the locals? How many people would it take to construct a small fortress? How about the pilgrims, did they eat? Did they have fields? Would you even see fields some 300 years after the fact?
Are these questions your evidence?
Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

You have read about the Vikings at L'Anse aux meadows didn't you? I have not heard about anything in the First Nation oral histories of them. Did they survive? Did they eat? Did they have support from the locals? How many people would it take to construct a small fortress? How about the pilgrims, did they eat? Did they have fields? Would you even see fields some 300 years after the fact?
Are these questions your evidence?
Cheers, Loki

I'm not making any claims, so I don't need to present any evidence.
I have heard of L'Anse aux Meadows. It's an amazing site which has produced actual physical evidence to prove that the Norse had reached North America. Unfortunately, there is no First Nations oral history recording the arrival of the Norse in Newfoundland, because the First Nations of Newfoundland at the time ... the Beothuk ... are extinct. The Mi'kmaq of Nova Scotia, though, are not extinct, and there is no mention of a group of strangers building a settlement at New Ross in the 1300's. Why is this? Why is it that a people who having (allegedly) observed these Templars transporting large stones to a building site, have no recorded use of the wheel? Why is it that a people who (allegedly) observed these Templars sustain themselves agriculturally, have no history of agriculture? Why is it that a people who (allegedly) observed these Templars use metal tools to carve and dress large stones have no metal tools of their own?

 

[FinderKeeper]

Why the Templars? Why not a 18th - 19th century farmer setting the foundations for his barn? If a bunch of European knights landed in NS during the 1300's and built a castle or fortress at New Ross, why is there no mention of it in the First Nation oral histories? How could they survive in this new and harsh environment without support from the locals? Given the workforce required to build such a structure, what did they eat? Where were their fields? What did noble-born European knights know about the wildlife of north eastern North America? What did they know about hunting these animals? With all the people that would be required to build this alleged structure, tend the fields and hunt for meat ... and there are no artifacts left behind?
I'm not trying to be a prick, but there are some pretty elemental questions that haven't been answered.

Hi Rapraee, You ask good questions and I will try to do my best to answer them. 1, Why the Templar Period, carbon dating from the site is at 1360 to 1390's so we know someone was there then. 2, No there was just to much stone work for a farm. 3, Why would a farmer dig 1000' trenches to bring water to this site. 4, The Locals were friends with the Templars and I would think they help to build the stone structure. 5, You said no artifacts from the Templar period were left behind, How do you know this. Did you check all the land at New Ross. There is a great deal of artifacts , its just no one is looking for them. This site is new found and the only place digging was done was in Joans yard. That's it no other yards or fields have been checked out yet. WE are the first to scan 100' under this site looking for anything. I have found enough to keep my crew on site for many years. Why would a farmer dig stone lined tunnels 1000' long . No I do believe it was the Templars and why would they tell anyone back in Europe about this new found land with great trees, a lot of great land, hunting is the best ever , and then all the gold and gems just laying everywhere. Don't forget they left with a treasure and I am sure that alone would be enough to not tell anyone of this new land. I could be wrongbut I think I am 100% right on. Soon we will be back on site then I will get the answers we need. Thank You

 

[Raparee]

Hi Rapraee, You ask good questions and I will try to do my best to answer them. 1, Why the Templar Period, carbon dating from the site is at 1360 to 1390's so we know someone was there then. 2, No there was just to much stone work for a farm. 3, Why would a farmer dig 1000' trenches to bring water to this site. 4, The Locals were friends with the Templars and I would think they help to build the stone structure. 5, You said no artifacts from the Templar period were left behind, How do you know this. Did you check all the land at New Ross. There is a great deal of artifacts , its just no one is looking for them. This site is new found and the only place digging was done was in Joans yard. That's it no other yards or fields have been checked out yet. WE are the first to scan 100' under this site looking for anything. I have found enough to keep my crew on site for many years. Why would a farmer dig stone lined tunnels 1000' long . No I do believe it was the Templars and why would they tell anyone back in Europe about this new found land with great trees, a lot of great land, hunting is the best ever , and then all the gold and gems just laying everywhere. Don't forget they left with a treasure and I am sure that alone would be enough to not tell anyone of this new land. I could be wrongbut I think I am 100% right on. Soon we will be back on site then I will get the answers we need. Thank You

Thanks for you response, Finders. I appreciate it. I am truly interested in the topic and the possibilities you are suggesting, but I am a skeptic.... to whit: 1. Something allegedly carbon dated from the Templar period does not necessarily prove Templar involvement. 2, How much stone work does a farm require? Barn, house, well, outbuildings, etc, etc, etc, ... More than you would think, especially if they were supplying stone for other homesteads. 3. A farmer would dig a 1000' trench (assuming that the 1000' trench identified is actually a 1000' trench designed to transport water), to bring water to this site in order to water his livestock and family... for the same reason that a Templar settlement would dig the trenches. 4, if the locals were friendly enough to help out with the construction of the 'castle', there is no oral history to support it, and there was no First Nations borrowing of the technology that would have been required to build a stone castle... wheels, metal tools, etc... 5, This area is heavily worked, and there has been no reported relevant artifacts turned up during plowing, or mining, or excavating that would indicate a Templar presence, neither in the New Ross area nor in Mahone Bay where they would have to had (essentially) abandon their ships in order to hike to the New Ross area.
Like I said, I'm a skeptic, but as someone who read Barry Fell as a child, I am excited by the idea of further pre-Colombian contacts. If you ever want a devil's advocate during your work in New Ross, let me know. I'm just down the road.

 

[FinderKeeper]

OK what if we do open the tunnel from up the hill above the castle site and we see its stone lined and it is headed 1000' towards the castle. Would a farmer build this and why. It would take many hours to build. Would a mining company line the tunnel with hand cut stones. Who would spend the time to do this at any date in time.

Who would dig a hole 12' wide, then line it with 4' of cut stone for the walls , then dig a 1000' trench to bring water to it as a storage tank. This summer we hope to scan the well to see if it goes 90' deep and if it does , WHO WOULD BUILD something this big and for what. Thank You

 

[NostraDanis]

Are there not a number of ancient maps which identify an inland castle next to a waterway (Gold R.) which might be considered evidence from long ago? If not evidence, it seems curious that map-makers from different sources, at different times chose to locate a castle at the same spot in Norembega? This would seem to need explanation, no?

I apologize for not linking to these maps; I am most certainly not an expert - I just recall having read about them and seen reproductions of them. Also, thank you gentlemen for your civil and interesting discussion.

 

[Raparee]

OK what if we do open the tunnel from up hill above the castle site and its stone lined and it is headed towards the castle. Would a farmer build this. It would take many hours to build. Would a mining company line the tunnel. Who would spend the time to do this at any date in time. Thank You

If it does exist as you describe, I don't know who built it or why. But it's a fairly large leap, though, to go from a potentially unknown structure to a Templars castle.

 

[lokiblossom]

If it does exist as you describe, I don't know who built it or why. But it's a fairly large leap, though, to go from a potentially unknown structure to a Templars castle.

I guess I should ask again. Do you have any actual evidence of all the Templar treasures taken to Portugal?

Cheers, Loki