Tell me about the XP Deus

[vferrari]

Now that that is out of the way.

sounds like topic starter wants to get different opinions. You have already advised deus is good on trashy site and told nothing about its other side

Disclaimer: I am NOT interested in agendas, do not think I am an elite detectorist because I own a Deus, and know the damn thing has flaws otherwise I wouldn't own the other detectors (as I've explained before) and wouldn't be screaming for XP to release the damn 4.0 software. So please don't bother throwing any of that shade my way. I am about detecting and finds, not detectors. As an engineer, I am also about logic, objective evidence, and the facts to back up claims. You have several posts in this thread but other than a prohibited link, I have not heard any WORDs to describe what your issue is other than putting down Deus users as a bunch of elitists who don't want to face facts brutally.

So do tell - what is the Deus "other side" you are being so coy about. Please elaborate for the benefit of all. (After all, that is the point of the thread). Thank you.

 

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[Iron Buzz]

they do have a goldfield program on them and if I could only have one coil it would be the 9. the new coils are gonna run at higher frequencys for gold.

I tried air testing mine once on a jar of a few small flakes that I have in one of those tiny glass bottles like you get from a tourist shop. I was using Gold Field. I was unable to get any signal whatsoever from it. My neighbor's Whites Goldmaster was able to pick it up, but that runs at a much higher frequency.

(caveat... that is my one and only experience with trying my Deus with gold)

 

[vferrari]

I tried air testing mine once on a jar of a few small flakes that I have in one of those tiny glass bottles like you get from a tourist shop. I was using Gold Field. I was unable to get any signal whatsoever from it. My neighbor's Whites Goldmaster was able to pick it up, but that runs at a much higher frequency.

(caveat... that is my one and only experience with trying my Deus with gold)

Like I said before, it is not prospecting machine, but I am surprised you got no signal. I mean, gold field is basically the Deus equivalent of all metal. I find very small pieces of metal when beach hunting in gold field (in fact it is really frustrating becasue I do not beach hunt with a pinpointer, only a scoop, so when it locks on to something small enough to fall through the scoop holes it is frustrating to locate. Did you have gold field set up at 18khz when you ran the test? Perhaps not high enough as you said for such very small flakes since the Goldmaster is probably operating at 2 to 3 times that frequency. You will find gold jewelry and larger nuggets though and if XP ever releases their high frequency hardware and software, will be operating at frequency equivalent to the Goldmaster and its ilk.

 

[SuchMuch]

So do tell - what is the Deus "other side" you are being so coy about. Please elaborate for the benefit of all. (After all, that is the point of the thread). Thank you.

That's great when technical aspects play the front role in discussion! I highly appreciate the way you move on

Prior to talking about "other side", I must say some words about Deus advantages as I see them:
- It's really lightweight and compact
- It's good on trashy site with high capabilities to separate targets / sharp to surface targets amongst iron
- It produces good sounds for trashy sites
- It's great on surface/close to surface targets

"Other Side":
- rejection type of GB -> signals located close to ground zone are lost. It's approximately 20 degrees are lost (10 for non ferrous zone and 10 for iron zone). That's is why XP Deus is not capable to detect small iron target producing -86 (deep large copper) and non ferrous target producing +85 (deep large copper) should these targets be placed in ground/air/whatever. Probably XP think these zones have more falsings than targets and in order to bring more comfort, they prefer to cut them. It must be mentioned if Deus is tweaked via engineering menu properly, these "cuts" could be avoided. How many of you are able to tweak Deus via engineering menu?! (rhetorical question)
- If you swing XP Deus at high rates, it looses 1/3 of it's depth whatever frequencies and whatever reactivity it runs on. Thus XP detectorist should low down speed of swinging or always recover the scanned area with short (about 50 cms) swings. If it takes XP detectorist less than 5 seconds to make 1 wide swing then all deep targets are lost. All the targets XP Deus able to detect at low speed swinging, will produce totally no sound (even short whisper) at high rate swings. If you have fields hunted to death with yr XP Deus, cover them once again with Minelab eTrack with low speed swinging (like "eTrack at trashy site").
- 4 kHz @ XP Deus is almost pointless. This frequency was just inserted into coil as if it was mid/high frequency, all specifics this freq. has were ignored by XP. Insufficient power supply for 4 kHz
- XP doesn't produce small coils (5", 6" and 6"x10") for Deus. 80% of success on trashy site is right coil (type of coil (DD/Concentric/Super Concentric/Coaxial) and 20% depends on electronics (how fast detector is)
- It's highly not recommended to hunt with XP Deus when outdoor temperature is below zero, Li-ion battery installed into Deus's coil could be easily damaged by cold
- Friend of mine forgot to charge his deus and had nothing but to charge and wait whilst I was hunting... It's not possible to change power supply on the fly (change batteries)
- Metal battery inside coil. Should any metal part (E.g.: metal bolt) just be secured to a coil it will interfere with cumulative (ground+target) signal and shift it to iron zone in majority of cases. This shifting to iron zone becomes noticeable with iffy signals mostly (tiny low conductors, deep objects, targets masked with iron). Should coil had no metal attachments there could be a chance to catch non ferrous signal. This affect (shifting to iron zone) couldn't be noticed with "brief" targets those produce strong signals. Detectors having metal parts in vicinity of a coil compensates this influence by a software.
- You cannot detect in water deeper than 20 cms without equipping Deus with external antenna

***

Friend of mine hunts with Deus. Frankly speaking, I don't rank him as experienced Deus detectorist, he is rather a switch-n-go guy, however it's almost 3 years by now he hunts with XP Deus. Sometimes we compare detectors on targets prior to digging them out:

1. I'm too often asked by Deus to recheck signals in order safe Deus time from pointless digging of rusted stuff. Usually these iffy signals are deeply rusted irons (nails and other small rusted stuff). Hodoshapes provide clear picture every time. Deus doesn't have such channel of information at all. It's like be able to hear but being blind at the same time.
Conclusion: Deus is poor on identifying deeply rusted irons

2. I asked Deus several times to check deep signals with really short hodolines. Deus was not able to detect those objects at all.
My detector was equipped with 13" high frequency coil, Deus was equipped with stock 11" coil running high frequency.
Conclusion: Right size + right frequency matters! It's a Deus problem it has no large coil. By fact Deus has large ellipse but it's a chatty one and could be run on low settings with no depth or with depth equal to depth produced by stock 11" coil :Facepalm:

3. I pointed Deus to signals those correspond with valuable low conductors (VDI +5...+15). Deus told it was iron and that such signals aren't subject to be dug out at all. My detector was equipped with 13"@18 kHz, Deus was equipped with 8" stock coil running high frequency.
Conclusion: Right size + right frequency really matters!

 

[rick67]

So I was right in my thoughts. Your new!
You go by a screen. All your writing means nothing to a seasoned detectorist. You can ramble on now but it's out now.

Learn the sounds, and before you ask. 40 years detecting.

 

[SuchMuch]

So I was right in my thoughts. Your new!
You go by a screen. All your writing means nothing to a seasoned detectorist. You can ramble on now but it's out now.

Learn the sounds, and before you ask. 40 years detecting.

There is an English saying: "Do not teach grandmother to suck eggs". This the very moment to say it.

What kind of screen you are talking about? I'm sure you are talking about VDI numbers. Lol. My case is very different There are lots of cases when sound is pure iron but hodo shapes aware detectorist to dig signal out. Only combination of sound and visual information can provide the richest picture what is under coil.

"Learn the sound" is a last age. Lol.

 

[rick67]

That's why the Brits are over there and where here.

Doesn't change the fact. Your new and haven't a clue.

Why not put your money where your mouth is? "That's an American phrase". You've seen all of Calabash' s videos? Show us your beef. Make a video,he at least practices what he preaches.
Your just Trolling, and still learning.

 

[SuchMuch]

That's why the Brits are over there and where here.

Doesn't change the fact. Your new and haven't a clue.

Why not put your money where your mouth is? "That's an American phrase". You've seen all of Calabash' s videos? Show us your beef. Make a video,he at least practices what he preaches.
Your just Trolling, and still learning.

I really don't want to add Russian sayings. Lol. If you are not going to add technically based arguments instead of those "you are young", "you are new" and "still learning", lets stop discussing. The only thing I'm learning from you is English (American way to speak it).

 

[Calabash Digger]

I have not had the problem such much is saying on deep targets. I have made a few videos of the deus on DEEP targets and tagged them just fine with a confident swing speed. My guess is him or his FRIEND doesnt know how to set the machine up to hit deep targets. The deus is not a top performer with the factory presets ,on deep targets. Such much how did you guys set ther machine up on these deep targets your talking about? What were the deep targets again? Technical talk is fine if thats your thing BUT im more of a show me kind of guy, when I have tested the deus on deep targets ive had no problems. Another thing hes checking behind a inexperienced detetorist who according to his on words is a turn on and go guy there is the problem. PLEASE do share the program hes was running when you checed behind him. Do you know how to set the deus up for peak performance ?

 

[SuchMuch]

I have not had the problem such much is saying on deep targets. I have made a few videos of the deus on DEEP targets and tagged them just fine with a confident swing speed. My guess is him or his FRIEND doesnt know how to set the machine up to hit deep targets. The deus is not a top performer with the factory presets ,on deep targets. Such much how did you guys set ther machine up on these deep targets your talking about? What were the deep targets again? Technical talk is fine if thats your thing BUT im more of a show me kind of guy, when I have tested the deus on deep targets ive had no problems.

All that input above "***" is a compilation of really experienced guys who earn their living by metal detecting. One of them is well known (in RU) Deus guru, who sets up his Deus by tweaking engineering menu. May I ask you. How many of you practice setting their Deus detectors via engineering menu? Have you ever tried?

Deep targets are the targets those produce weak signals living in hot rock zone, and iron sector that is close to ground zone. These signals are masked by a stronger prevailing ground signal.

Here is a brief video XP Deus vs ..., both detectors are running low frequencies
https://youtu.be/vOIpxltDr9w

All that input below "***"
Is what I faced whilst hunting with a deus buddy

 

[Calabash Digger]

So you live in BAD soil where any vlf detector will struggle? I dont need to set my deus up via SOME SECRET engineering menu I can make it outperform most detectors already. I still would like to know what program your friend was running that you were checking behind. I know the guy who works for deus he doesnt even set his machine up the way your talking about and hes the REAL deus guru ( IF IM READING WHAT YOUR SAYING CORRECT SO HE GOES INTO THE MACHINE ANYWAY). Sounds to me like you guys have knocked something out of line. What enginnering menu are you talking about? the xy screen? I run my own custom programs , veffari do you know enginering menu hes talking about? If your talking about making our on custom programs I would say yes the majority here do that. I have a question such much when you say earn their living metal detecting what COMPANY do they work for if you dont mind me asking?

 

[Calabash Digger]

rick 67 I think you hit the nail on the head (american saying) . Like I said earlier in the thread time will tell when all that back and forth mess was going on.

 

[SuchMuch]

So you live in BAD soil where any vlf detector will struggle?

That is not my vid. That ground is Moscow loan, which is just mineralized ground and no way it can approach to really bad grounds, let us, say Bulgarian grounds. All western detectors work perfectly on Moscow loans. As to my grounds they are light and extra light.

I dont need to set my deus up via engineering menu I can make it outperform most detectors already.

That's very common for Deus guys. Quite a statement.

I know the guy who works for deus he doesnt even set his machine up the way your talking about and hes the REAL deus guru.

It seems to me I know who you are talking about. I doubt this, otherwise there were no issues with blind program copying of others. But this is not of my concern since I'm not a deus detectorist

Here you are parameters hidden in engineering menu (Deus bible):

1. Etalonnage
2. Calibration 180
3. Outils
3.1 Phase ref
3.2 Parametre aux
3.3 Menu visualization
3.3.1 Defilement
3.3.2 X-Y.
3.4 Test annulations
3.5.1 Annul 4f
4. Tracking / Sol
4.1 Notch Ferrite
4.2 Nbr auto tracking
4.3 Decalage tracking
4.4 Hysteresis tracking
4.5 Histogramme
4.6 Seuil tracking
4.7 Seuil tracking auto
4.8 Inhibition
4.9 Reject
5. Affichage / Pinpoint
5.1 Seuil affichage
5.2 ****** affichage
5.3 Seul pinpoint
5.4 ****** pinpoint
5.5 Visualisation lineaire
6. Audio
6.1 Modulation son
6.2 Filtrage audio
6.3 Son min
6.4 Son max
6.5 Duree son
7. Correction de phase .
7.1 Phase bloquee
7.2 Phase corrigee.
7.3 Phase filtree.
7.4 Filtre modifiee
7.5 Seuil
7.6 Delai
8. Silencieux
8.1 Saturation entrée
8.2 Filtre bas
8.3 Filtre haut
9. Test radio
9.1 Test relais.
9.2 Porteuse
9.3 Detection
9.4 Porteuse disque
10. Notch ferrite
10.1 Notch F. bas
10.2 Notch F Haut
10.3 Valid
11. Usine permanent

have a question such much when you say earn their living metal detecting what COMPANY do they work for if you dont mind me asking?

They hunt for relics and sell stuff. They do not work for a COMPANY

 

[Deft Tones]

So I was right in my thoughts. Your new!
You go by a screen. All your writing means nothing to a seasoned detectorist. You can ramble on now but it's out now.

Learn the sounds, and before you ask. 40 years detecting.

Ever worked in a field where genuine skill is required to stand above the old pack?

How does a 20 year old out-perform in speed, skill and quality anothe man twice his age and experience? Then how does a 20 yr. old kid become the boss of that veteran with 40 years experience?

I'v seen it happen too many times to know that 40yrs experience might not mean jack sh-!

 

[Calabash Digger]

gotcha so they are going into the guts of the machine and changing things. So what your saying is their smarter than the engineers who designed the thing to be a top performer among detectors. Those guys need to call deus and get a job in the engineering department for deus since they know better than the guys who built it. I got it you dont care for the deus but if you cant figure it out you are in a forum where guys do . All that mess above about them going into the machine is just that mess because some guy is gonna come along and see that and think he needs to adjust his machine like that and MESS it up. Im done with this discussion which its really not a discussion its a bash the deus thread aND THATS OK TOO THERE ARE DETECTORS OUT THERE that I cant stand either.

 

[SuchMuch]

gotcha so they are going into the guts of the machine and changing things. So what your saying is their smarter than the engineers who designed the thing to be a top performer among detectors. Those guys need to call deus and get a job in the engineering department for deus since they know better than the guys who built it.

The problem is you cannot set up any brand metal detector to match all kinds of grounds. That's why any detector should be turned to match particular ground and match particular task. There are no universal settings exist. Deus could be tweaked and turned to match ground conditions and tasks as well. RU Deus detectorists do such tweaks via engineering menu and discuss them openly.

All that mess above about them going into the machine is just that mess because some guy is gonna come along and see that and think he needs to adjust his machine like that and MESS it up. Im done with this discussion which its really not a discussion its a bash the deus thread aND THATS OK TOO THERE ARE DETECTORS OUT THERE that I cant stand either.

It's strange to hear this from Deus guru. The worse in said above you refuse to use your detector at its full potential. If you think, it's a bash lets stop.

 

[Deft Tones]

There are lots of cases when sound is pure iron but hodo shapes aware detectorist to dig signal out.

I've seen this in the field with my V3i. The spectragraph will flash a solid non-ferrous alignment of the three frequencies while only iron is heard through the tones and lots of red smearing on the screen. The area is very slowly analyzed with the polar plot screen while nudging the coil around and the signal analysis shows a nice polar plot lines only very briefly. I dig a 5" diameter plug and recover 3 rusty nails, two .22 short shells, and one V nickel hiding 4" below it all. It was pure visual signal that caught that coin.

That was the most memorable instance but there have been many others too.

 

[Deft Tones]

Suchmuch, could you clarify for me...

What is the "engineering menu"?

I understand there is a language barrier between us and things can get misconstrued. Perhaps if you spoke in French to these guys you may be actually listened to and heard.

Edit: Nevermind....had not gotten that far. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Deft Tones]

gotcha so they are going into the guts of the machine and changing things. So what your saying is their smarter than the engineers who designed the thing to be a top performer among detectors. Those guys need to call deus and get a job in the engineering department for deus since they know better than the guys who built it. I got it you dont care for the deus but if you cant figure it out you are in a forum where guys do . All that mess above about them going into the machine is just that mess because some guy is gonna come along and see that and think he needs to adjust his machine like that and MESS it up. Im done with this discussion which its really not a discussion its a bash the deus thread aND THATS OK TOO THERE ARE DETECTORS OUT THERE that I cant stand either.

Do you not have any rational arguments? Come on!

 

[rick67]

Ever worked in a field where genuine skill is required to stand above the old pack?

How does a 20 year old out-perform in speed, skill and quality anothe man twice his age and experience? Then how does a 20 yr. old kid become the boss of that veteran with 40 years experience?

I'v seen it happen too many times to know that 40yrs experience might not mean jack sh-!

You have some serious jealousy issues.