Spear head or hatchet

[csande480v]

Found at river bottom any one know what this piece could be worth

 

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[jamey]

im thinking same as rock,looks like a cobbs blade

 

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[welsbury]

What kind of "reenactments" that you spoke of went on? Did they have white-indian play skirmishes or something where they could have bought those ebay items to use in it?

 

[csande480v]

No they filmed Hollywood movies there and actually scalped people with the same blade no **** welsbury

 

[mogi]

Flint Skinning Celt. Actually made that way. IMHO. Woodland Period.

 

[joshuaream]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I guess it could be a Flint Skinning Celt. I'd assume you could find many documented examples of the type somewhere in the Archaeological record. It could also be a world class Cody knife (one shoulder and all.) Or it could be a stone reproduction of a modern metal knife. (Haft it and it would look something like like a normal single cutting edge kitchen knife.)

I pulled a couple of better pictures off eBay. The original poster has it in hand and can look at the flaking and details to see if looks like a match.

 

[Buckleberry]

Thanks and it was near water but completely dry and solid color of stone. One thing is that there is no black flint in sc or at least in the upstate . What had me out there looking is my friend was boring holes for telephone poles and they pulled the auger up and he swears like 30 arrow heads and pieces of woven clay baskets fell off of it. When they were leaving for the day the land owner made them dig a whole and burry all they got. He said those belong to the Indians and thats where they will stay. Right after I found it I was caught and the same guy made me leave

You were trespassing?

 

[csande480v]

Nope

 

[Buckleberry]

Where else you ganna find good stuff there ain't no where close to me that ain't private property

Oh, I guess that's OK then, I just go through all the trouble of tracking down the landowner, approaching them, introducing myself and my son, offer them a typed letter with my information if they want it, and respectfully ask for permission to walk their land...when I get a "yes", I often come back bearing small gifts of coffee or local honey and am more than patient when listening to these old-timers talk, and they sure can talk.
Sometimes I get a "no" and many times the reason is that they are sick and tired of people trespassing on their land and they've just had enough already.
But as long as you get what you want...illegally.

 

[csande480v]

The way I look at it is if l have good intentions only, then god will take care of the rest....
I respect another mans land. But they don't own history even if you have permission to search.... ITS STILL NOT YOURS. People selling artifacts are the ones stealing money from people. Shame them or something. Did the Europeans give the Indians some treats. There are lessons in every rock and every leaf, that's all I "want" bucklefairy sorry

 

[mogi]

Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I guess it could be a Flint Skinning Celt. I'd assume you could find many documented examples of the type somewhere in the Archaeological record. It could also be a world class Cody knife (one shoulder and all.) Or it could be a stone reproduction of a modern metal knife. (Haft it and it would look something like like a normal single cutting edge kitchen knife.)

I pulled a couple of better pictures off eBay. The original poster has it in hand and can look at the flaking and details to see if looks like a match.

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They look nothing alike (in a true material,flaking,workmanship,purpose ) type way. They may have tried to replicate these items because they knew they did actually exist but failed miserably. JMHO! respectfully, Morgan. Also, these planting and salting stories that peopla are coming up with are getting a little silly in my opinion. This good man, who showed many,many other TRUE artifacts that him and his family found that day has not been questioned about being authenticic in any way - and there are some cool pieces, and yet because no one has one,hasn't ever seen one,doesn't know what it is,cant't explain it and the list goes onand on - then it becomes fake and they start making up their own stories. I BELIVE THIS MAN!

 

[Buckleberry]

The way I look at it is if l have good intentions only, then god will take care of the rest....
I respect another mans land. But they don't own history even if you have permission to search.... ITS STILL NOT YOURS. People selling artifacts are the ones stealing money from people. Shame them or something. Did the Europeans give the Indians some treats. There are lessons in every rock and every leaf, that's all I "want" bucklefairy sorry

"The way I look at it is if l have good intentions only, then god will take care of the rest.... " LOL, How about this: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
"I respect another mans land." Oh so that's what trespassing is now a days huh?
"But they don't own history even if you have permission to search.... ITS STILL NOT YOURS. People selling artifacts are the ones stealing money from people."
Is that why your first question after posting this is " any one know what this piece could be worth"...because you trespassed, stole this artifact and now just kinda wondered what it was worth....

"Shame them or something. Did the Europeans give the Indians some treats. There are lessons in every rock and every leaf, that's all I "want" Blah, blah, blah, just a load of self-serving garbage used to justify your illegal behavior, tell us what it feels like when you end up cuffed/stuffed and with a south end full of buckshot because of your "good intentions".
"bucklefairy" And finally an ad hominem- the first refuge of ignorance and a losing argument...stay classy...

 

[hikingthehills]

Wow this thread sure turned nasty. Either way that's a heck of a whatever it is!

 

[SweepNbeep]

The way I look at it is if l have good intentions only, then god will take care of the rest....
I respect another mans land. But they don't own history even if you have permission to search.... ITS STILL NOT YOURS. People selling artifacts are the ones stealing money from people. Shame them or something. Did the Europeans give the Indians some treats. There are lessons in every rock and every leaf, that's all I "want" bucklefairy sorry

You do not respect another mans land. Your actions speak louder than your words. The bottom line is that you are a trespasser and you are giving us all a bad name. That's just the truth, and you can't argue or justify your way out of the truth. Don't be surprised when law abiding artifact hunters get on your case, because some of us want to be able to do this well into the future, and people like you are putting that in jeopardy.

I agree that nobody owns history, but in today's world people do own land, and people do own artifacts. If that is wrong, then I suggest we all take every single artifact we have, return to where we found them, and then bury them. Anybody here willing to do that? Are you csande480v? Also, selling artifacts is not stealing, so long as they were legally obtained in the first place. The very act of selling something, means that it was paid for, i.e. not stealing.

As part of the artifact hunting community, there are a few basic rules you're going to need to follow, and having permission to dig is probably chief among them. Now you know.

 

[csande480v]

Some people I'm glad y'all have nothing better to do

 

[csande480v]

Thanks mogi, you tried to warn me... and shows me it's real just from the offended replies and messages from others. If any of you want to get on my case About it I'll tell you right where it's at

 

[SweepNbeep]

I went back and edited my previous post, ever so slightly, because I'm not here to get into any arguments. I toned it down, but left the parts that are irrefutable by your own admissions. I won't be saying any more on the matter, and look forward to getting back to discussing artifacts in other posts.

For what it's worth, I think the artifact you have there is amazing, and I'm not questioning its authenticity (not that I'm an expert). I just don't agree with the manner in which it was obtained.

 

[csande480v]

Thanks sorry and I'll ask permission just cause it's the right thing to do. And I think ima offer it to the land owner in hopes of permission for more finds